What should we do this summer: a poll - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sike · 05-10-2010, 10:52 PM

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I guess all I can say is that if I'm Wade and the Bulls' best on-court selling point after Rose is Noah, I'd rather go to Dallas to play with Dirk.

I'd bet on this. Dirk is probably a far more attractive running mate for Wade than a guy like Rose who is also a guard who needs to dominate the ball to be effective (like Wade).

grndmstr_c · 05-11-2010, 12:06 AM

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I'd bet on this. Dirk is probably a far more attractive running mate for Wade than a guy like Rose who is also a guard who needs to dominate the ball to be effective (like Wade).

Agreed. I view it as being somewhat comparable to Dallas' inevitable consideration of Bosh. A would-be homecoming, but an imperfect fit given the current makeup of the team. The player in question is one of the best in the league so it's worth an attempt from the team's standpoint, but the likely reality is that the courtship is unlikely to be successful if for no other reason than because some other team can probably make a more convincing pitch.

Underdog · 05-10-2010, 04:46 PM

What are the odds that New Orleans would part ways with Chris Paul?

grndmstr_c · 05-10-2010, 04:58 PM

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What are the odds that New Orleans would part ways with Chris Paul?

No idea. He's kind of the forgotten superstar right now in the wake of his injuries, NO's struggles since their breakthrough a couple years ago, and Collison's brilliant rookie campaign, but I'd go after him in a second if he were available.

rabbitproof · 05-10-2010, 06:49 PM

Ditto. That would be phenomenal. It would likely render the need for a go-to guy at the 2 as JKidd can slide over. Defensively, between CP3/JKidd/Matrix, we would be okay against most points and swings of the league. Offensively, CP3 would bring the penetration while JKidd would stretch out the defense (this is starting to sound perverse) and our passing would be lights the f out.

If you are NOH, wouldn't you atleast consider Damp/Butler/Robo for CP3/Okafur? Not sure you would even need to include Robo - maybe a couple #1s will get it done.. though we may need to send more salary out to match CP3/Okafur. That's cap savings of 50-60 million for the Hornets.

We'd be:
CP3/Robo
JKidd/JET
Matrix
Dirk
Okafur/Wood

Beastly. Add an athletic swingman for MLE and do battle!

Usually Lurkin · 05-10-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Beastly. Add an athletic swingman for MLE and do battle!

hmm, yeah. We've only been saying that exact thing for like 5 years now.

Underdog · 05-10-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Ditto. That would be phenomenal. It would likely render the need for a go-to guy at the 2 as JKidd can slide over. Defensively, between CP3/JKidd/Matrix, we would be okay against most points and swings of the league. Offensively, CP3 would bring the penetration while JKidd would stretch out the defense (this is starting to sound perverse) and our passing would be lights the f out.

If you are NOH, wouldn't you atleast consider Damp/Butler/Robo for CP3/Okafur? Not sure you would even need to include Robo - maybe a couple #1s will get it done.. though we may need to send more salary out to match CP3/Okafur. That's cap savings of 50-60 million for the Hornets.

We'd be:
CP3/Robo
JKidd/JET
Matrix
Dirk
Okafur/Wood

Beastly. Add an athletic swingman for MLE and do battle!

This is exactly what I was thinking when I posed the question.

Paul/Okafor is a huge chunk of change, but we've been kicking around long-term/high-dollar commitments like Kaman/Diddy, Iggy/Brand and Agent Zero so CP3/Okafor should be tossed into the conversation.

Sliding Kidd over to "shooting guard" is what I had in mind as well (a three-guard lineup of Kidd/Barea/JET sucks, but CP3/Kidd/Roddy would be beastly - Carlisle's coaching fetishes would instantly flip from weaknesses to strengths...)

KINGBEEF · 05-11-2010, 01:20 AM

here's a shorter version, pretty much the same thing

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...coaching-again

SMC0007 · 05-11-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

here's a shorter version, pretty much the same thing

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...coaching-again

Pat Riley is a Son of a B*tch! "Oh, maybe I'll come back now that we could possibly have a decent team and I can't fail as easily." I hate that we let him off the hook. Well the refs had a nice part in that but still. He needs to F off over there and stop butting in when he thinks he can add to his win total. You can't just hop on the gravy train you C S'er.

Zki41 · 05-11-2010, 12:51 PM

I wonder if due to Atlanta's abysmal playoff performance, if we can get Joe Johnson for maybe just Dampier in a S&T from Atlanta. The market for him is still going to be great, but all of a sudden he does not look like he is going to command a maximum contract ( though teams will overpay for him anyway).

I guess I bring this hope up because, what if there is a chance we can get Joe Johnson ... AND another top player using Caron butler's contract! Like, if Philly is ready to blow it up, a really good trade for them to look at is Iguodala for Butler straight up. Cuban can give them cash considerations as well. I think if Philly wants to move Iguodala, Butler alone is the best combination of expiring money and talent, and they can just slate him right into the spot Iguodala had.

We are picking up Barea's option (didn't know he had this before, though he'd be a free agent for sure), so hopefully we can use him in a trade as well since he is expiring.

I don't know what other assets we have besides Roddy (who we don't want to give away) ... so I would be willing to give some draft picks.

We can always of course take back salary (which I am sure Cuban will really want to do ...).

Are there also sign and trade possibilities using the MLE? Like, can't we sign and trade a player a team like Atlanta would want using our MLE, and trade that player and Damp for Johnson + something Atlanta wants to get rid of, and then Atlanta still has their own exception to sign another decent caliber player. Atlanta trades dead weight for talent without adding to their payroll, and then can still get another good free agent if they would like. Also considering they may be able to get Josh Childress back from Europe (and now low-ball him), Atlanta could be in pretty good shape if they deal with us.

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Kidd/Roddy
JJ/Roddy/Terry
Iggy/Marion
Dirk/Marion/?
Haywood/?

Nowitzki4President · 05-11-2010, 01:55 PM

After the Joe Johnson debacle in the Orlando series, does anyone else think that maybe he won't be getting a max deal?

Also, how much is the LLE?

grndmstr_c · 05-11-2010, 03:58 PM

So many teams have been clearing money for this summer that it's hard for me to imagine that JJ wouldn't get a ton of money thrown at him even after his disappointing playoff run. If you're looking for precedent look no further than Nash, who was offered a big contract by Phoenix at the age of 30 after an anemic playoff run in which he shot a paltry 38.6% from the field and saw his team get booted in the first round.

It does seem almost inevitable that JJ's tenure in Atl is all but done, though. The not entirely unrealistic hope from the Mavs' perspective would have to be that the enmity between Joe and the fan base robs the Hawks of whatever negotiating power they might have otherwise had, clearing a path for Dallas to work a sign and trade that doesn't cost them Booby or Caron.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-11-2010, 04:07 PM

I think JJ and Roddy would pair well as our the future backcourt once Kidd declines/retires.

...but man, JJ vanished against Orlando.

CrazyBoy · 05-11-2010, 07:08 PM

JJ is nearly 30... there no "future" for him... except 2 years maybe and thats the amount of years we got kidd left

grndmstr_c · 05-11-2010, 07:16 PM

JJ won't be 30 until after the end of the 2011 season, he's got good size, and his game is predicated on skill rather than athleticism. He's got plenty of prime left in him.

Dan1 · 05-11-2010, 07:39 PM

JJ is overrated.

clutch#41 · 05-11-2010, 07:42 PM

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JJ is overrated.

agreed..when your home crowd is booing you bc of the fact that he didnt step up in the orlando series..i dont want this guy.id rather have roddy start at the 2 and get a center in here for the damp chip.

Dan1 · 05-11-2010, 07:47 PM

He is a good player ofc and i would like to have him if we cant get wade or lebron. But its not like he is the solution for this team...

And Iguodala is a terrible fit.

KINGBEEF · 05-14-2010, 11:05 PM

I know he's a jump shooter, but is it wrong to want Kyle Korver here in Dallas?

mac222b · 05-15-2010, 12:30 AM

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I know he's a jump shooter, but is it wrong to want Kyle Korver here in Dallas?

not if we can dump Jet. he set a recordfor 3 pt. pct. this year, right?

Spurred1 · 05-15-2010, 02:04 AM

Korver is an upgrade over Terry. Not a fan of his defense, but it isn't worse than Terry's, so there's no negative to that change.

Thomas86 · 05-15-2010, 08:36 PM

Mike Miller is a player I want on the Mavs for a LONG time and I hope the Mavs get him to replace Terry, Korver wouldn't be bad either.

tcat075 · 05-15-2010, 09:57 PM

Purely offensively, JET is better than both Miller and Korver. But I like both of those players over JET, because I expect to get another player this summer, and the shots are going to be awfully hard to spread around to everyone. Miller (this year, at least) and Korver don't take as many shots, but the hit them with crazy consistency. Korver's purely a shooter, but his shot may be the "purest" in the NBA. Did anyone see Game 3 against the Lakers? That was unbelievable.

Miller is a shooter, but much more diverse than Korver. He can drive and hit contested pull ups and other stuff whereas Korver would rather catch and shoot. Miller is also a good passer, which would be nice to have, and though I haven't looked, I think he's a solid rebounder.

JJ Redick is another option similar to these guys. The key to all of them, and what I'm really wanting, is a very high percentage three point shooter. They don't have to hit 150, but hit 80-100 at 42%+ and that's doing their job well.

tcat075 · 05-15-2010, 09:59 PM

One thing about Miller: I don't think he's a free agent, or at least not an MLE free agent. I don't want to waste trade chips to get him, either. He's not that good of an addition. Korver and Redick should both be MLE obtainable, I believe. So I'd lean towards them.

mac222b · 05-17-2010, 01:22 AM

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One thing about Miller: I don't think he's a free agent, or at least not an MLE free agent. I don't want to waste trade chips to get him, either. He's not that good of an addition. Korver and Redick should both be MLE obtainable, I believe. So I'd lean towards them.

Miller is a free agent. he's also comfortable coming off the bench, which is a plus

mac222b · 05-17-2010, 01:27 AM

and he has a son named Mavrick

we're in

wilmtalk · 05-17-2010, 01:09 PM

I don't know if I would go after a SG while we still needed a post. Players can run into cold streaks at any time and even a great 2 would be vunerable to that. A post is harder to come by. If we use the damp chip for a two than we would be stuck with only Haywood depending upon his being resigned. I would not count of Damp even if he were to be released by the team he went to and resigned for the mil. He is getting older and has had leg injuries this year. Look at his legs they are far too thin for the rest of his body. He carries all his weight on his upper body. He just never played that many min and when he did play gave minimal effort thats why he was injury free until this year. We need another post besides Haywood to get real team balence.

If we had decent posts on the floor we could make due with a lesser two. Except if we had the opportunity to get a two like Wade who could also take it too the hole. Then we could make due with a lesser post on the floor for half the time.