GDT: Mavs v Bucks 6 CT (also, Cuban loses his mind) - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

j0Shi · 11-07-2016, 02:29 AM

Usually Cuban making a big splash about a topic he likes to get more attention to. People are stupid thinking this is him being whiny. I'm sure we'll get more details in the next days, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is aiming at more parity media-wise or something. I guess a lot of teams agree and are glad Cuban is stepping up. Only ones complaining that he is taking a shot at media are the media people so far.

FreshJive · 11-07-2016, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Usually Cuban making a big splash about a topic he likes to get more attention to. People are stupid thinking this is him being whiny. I'm sure we'll get more details in the next days, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is aiming at more parity media-wise or something. I guess a lot of teams agree and are glad Cuban is stepping up. Only ones complaining that he is taking a shot at media are the media people so far.

McMahon and Stein are the most honest coverage his team has received over the past few years. More parity = guys I control?

Underdog · 11-07-2016, 03:15 AM

This is the way I read the situation:

-TMac moved from strictly-Dallas coverage to general NBA coverage... Not sure if that was at his request or by orders of his employer.

-ESPN doesn't pay their press to cover 0-5 teams (at the time of ban) the same as contenders, which the Mavs have always been fringe-or-better contenders since Cuban took over the franchise, for the most part... But a record losing streak to start the season probably has the bean counters second-guessing our team.

-Cuban got pissed at ESPN for ignoring his struggling (yet major market) team, then banned Tmac from the Mavs, which was probably influenced by past transgressions (back in 2008 when he banned bloggers from the locker room because of a negative article that MacMahon wrote about the Mavs)... Also, a possible TMac-Parsons connection rubbed Cubes the wrong way? Not sure what the reality is there...

-Cuban extended the ban to Stein because ESPN.

I'm sure this whole issue will slink away if the Mavs start winning (or when the election is over, whatever).

Budapest Maverick · 11-07-2016, 05:49 AM

Great game from Barnes, he got to the line, made his threes, that's what I was talking about. He needs to do this every night (obviously, not the 34 points part), and we'll have ourselves a player.

rimrocker · 11-07-2016, 06:33 AM

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Great game from Barnes, he got to the line, made his threes, that's what I was talking about. He needs to do this every night (obviously, not the 34 points part), and we'll have ourselves a player.

I think Barnes can become the leader of the team or at least the catalyst but concerned he'll defer to Dirk and DWill too much when they come back.

rimrocker · 11-07-2016, 06:34 AM

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More parity = guys I control?

Exactly what I was thinking when I read that.

j0Shi · 11-07-2016, 06:43 AM

Nah, this can't be just about getting rid of an unloved beat writer. I never was a particular fan of T-Mac myself, but there's gotta be more to it. Clearly aimed at ESPN and not particular members of their team.

dirt_dobber · 11-07-2016, 07:11 AM

Where would we be without "The Little Engine that Could".
JJ Barea had 21 points and 5 assists. Love this guy.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-07-2016, 08:26 AM

Cuban is just knee-jerking the knee-jerkers. If ESPN wants to judge his team 5 games in, then he doesn't want them around.

Unfortunately for Cuban, ESPN is right that his team probably sucks. I can't stand ESPN and don't really care personally, but maybe Mark is having a tough time dealing with reality. His team almost lost to the Bucks at home.

Anyhoo, I think a lot of us can agree that this season is a resounding success if Barnes becomes a star, and we get a high draft pick.

One last tidbit...I think Rick needs to seriously consider bringing Deron off the bench. If it was me, I'd waive Deron and move on. But at least starting Barea would solve the stagnant offense that is killing the team. It looked soooo much better this game even as broken as it still is.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-07-2016, 08:35 AM

Harrison's big night...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTZHNbNqNfI

Melonhead · 11-07-2016, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Usually Cuban making a big splash about a topic he likes to get more attention to. People are stupid thinking this is him being whiny. I'm sure we'll get more details in the next days, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is aiming at more parity media-wise or something. I guess a lot of teams agree and are glad Cuban is stepping up. Only ones complaining that he is taking a shot at media are the media people so far.

Other than refs the media arent people you want to piss off though, especially when these two guys havent done anything but their jobs.

Melonhead · 11-07-2016, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

This is the way I read the situation:

-TMac moved from strictly-Dallas coverage to general NBA coverage... Not sure if that was at his request or by orders of his employer.

-ESPN doesn't pay their press to cover 0-5 teams (at the time of ban) the same as contenders, which the Mavs have always been fringe-or-better contenders since Cuban took over the franchise, for the most part... But a record losing streak to start the season probably has the bean counters second-guessing our team.

-Cuban got pissed at ESPN for ignoring his struggling (yet major market) team, then banned Tmac from the Mavs, which was probably influenced by past transgressions (back in 2008 when he banned bloggers from the locker room because of a negative article that MacMahon wrote about the Mavs)... Also, a possible TMac-Parsons connection rubbed Cubes the wrong way? Not sure what the reality is there...

-Cuban extended the ban to Stein because ESPN.

I'm sure this whole issue will slink away if the Mavs start winning (or when the election is over, whatever).

Thats how I read it too, minus Tmac Parsons. Also I gathered from twitter that he had already warned he would pull credentials, and Cubes went through with it.

Tmac changed his pic on twitter to him and cuban. Gotta admit thats funny.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-07-2016, 08:59 AM

My one question would be if there are any other markets as big as Dallas who are not getting full time coverage? IMO, if there are not then Cuban has a valid issue with this. If BSPN doesnt feel the need to have a guy on salary to cover the Mavs full time then why should Cuban facilitate a BSPN part timer to help them out? If you have a www.espn.com/dallas then you should probably have a full time Mavs reporter. Chicago has one, Boston has one, La, etc. Cuban would have no problem with them writing about other NBA articles I'd bet but as long as it did not interfere with the Dallas reporting. I'm guessing it has been, and I'm guessing this probably gets resolved soon.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-07-2016, 09:31 AM

Also I'll add that I think this started before we went 0-5. Tmac was reporting on other teams during the summer I believe? I could be wrong but I thought he was reporting on other teams even during free agency. We all assumed it was his man crush Parsons but he later confirmed he writes for other teams now.

This seems to me more like BSPN trying to save money rather than Dallas struggling and not warranting a full time journalist or Cuban being retarded about something silly. It reminds me of when I go to the store and see 25 lanes to check out but only 3 clerks and I see every line is backed up to frozen foods. So I'm not exactly against Cuban on this when I think of it that way.

Melonhead · 11-07-2016, 10:10 AM

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Also I'll add that I think this started before we went 0-5. Tmac was reporting on other teams during the summer I believe? I could be wrong but I thought he was reporting on other teams even during free agency. We all assumed it was his man crush Parsons but he later confirmed he writes for other teams now.

This seems to me more like BSPN trying to save money rather than Dallas struggling and not warranting a full time journalist or Cuban being retarded about something silly. It reminds me of when I go to the store and see 25 lanes to check out but only 3 clerks and I see every line is backed up to frozen foods. So I'm not exactly against Cuban on this when I think of it that way.

I listened to the Mavs moneyball podcast this morning and they said it started during preseason and Cuban had warned he would pull credentials and people were wondering if he'd go through with it. Im wondering if he was pissed about TMAC/Memphis posts or just all in general.

I read somewhere that all teams dont have a ESPN beat guy full time, but I could be wrong on that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-07-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I listened to the Mavs moneyball podcast this morning and they said it started during preseason and Cuban had warned he would pull credentials and people were wondering if he'd go through with it. Im wondering if he was pissed about TMAC/Memphis posts or just all in general.

I read somewhere that all teams dont have a ESPN beat guy full time, but I could be wrong on that.

Right but those teams don't have their own ESPN site like Dallas does. Bryan's point is that every other city that has their own ESPN site, like ESPNDallas, has their own writer.

And it is weird to see TMac writing articles about players like Gordon Hayward. Why would anyone in Dallas care about that?

FreshJive · 11-07-2016, 10:31 AM

Fish on db.com

Cuban is protesting ESPN corp decision to pull back on its Mavs coverage. It's nothing personal about Stein/MacMahon, with whom Cuban has good relationships.
It's not the approach I would take, personally; the 0-5 optics are awful. But it's his attempt to persuade ESPN - an NBA partner.

Underdog · 11-07-2016, 10:46 AM

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Fish on db.com

Cuban is protesting ESPN corp decision to pull back on its Mavs coverage. It's nothing personal about Stein/MacMahon, with whom Cuban has good relationships.
It's not the approach I would take, personally; the 0-5 optics are awful. But it's his attempt to persuade ESPN - an NBA partner.

Well Cuban better get this sorted out because I'm not about to start following Fish for my Mavs news...

Murphy3 · 11-07-2016, 10:57 AM

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Even Cowlishaw getting in on this. "Yes this is true. Yes this is Cuban being a moron. Nothing new in itself, only new level for him. Funny he bashes Trump for this behavior"

Wow, is Cuban low key disliked by this many people?

Cuban has long been an idiot..he just happened to be our idiot so some people tolerated him and others actually began to like him.

j0Shi · 11-07-2016, 12:58 PM

Maybe, but who the fuck is Tim Cowardshow? Has he even covered or cared for the Mavs lately?

Also worth noting that I don't think it's a reaction to the 0-5 start. During preseason I already wondered why T-Mac posted about the Thunder so much and assumed he might have been assigned to them.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-07-2016, 04:01 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...uban/93421944/

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/795691428613525505

Underdog · 11-07-2016, 04:15 PM

So now I'm even more confused... Why are MacMahon and Stein banned, exactly?

Is it just Cuban being pissed at ESPN because TMac is doing national coverage? He says it isn't editorial or personal -- so this is just a grudge against ESPN? I mean, MacMahon seems to be covering the Mavs as much as he did last year, despite more general NBA coverage.

I don't get what the problem is here.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-07-2016, 04:17 PM

I'm not really sure what the context is for that quote from Cuban. But it sure reads like BSPN said they would cover the Mavs the same as last year. It's hard for Tmac to cover the Mavs games the same way if he is also covering other teams. If that's true Cuban has a reason to put his foot down. The way he's going about it is probably not the best though. If he has talked to all the appropriate ppl with BSPN and even the NBA before doing this then I rly don't have any issue though.

If my cable company said I am getting every channel I got last year and suddenly I only got those channels sometimes and then doesn't fix it when I bring it up. Then I'm going to cancel my service. It's not apples to apples but that's how I view it.

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Yes the whole... only Stein and Tmac being revoked and not all of BSPN is really confusing to me as well. I assume more will come out soon though.
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I think eventually Cuban will lose this though. BSPN is not required to give us full coverage(unlike my cable). Cuban however I do believe is required by the NBA to allow them access? Or am I mistaken on that?

Budapest Maverick · 11-07-2016, 04:28 PM

Theoretical question, would you guys be okay with bringing Dirk off the bench? He said numerous times that if the day comes when he can help the team more that way, he is more than willing to do it. A couple of things to consider here: this would allow Barnes to play the lion's share of his minutes at the four spot, Dirk's defense wouldn't hurt as much, he would probably be more efficient against bench guys, and of course, he would be the in the closing lineup on most nights. I realize this is borderline blasphemous, but thought I'd ask anyway.

Underdog · 11-07-2016, 04:36 PM

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Theoretical question, would you guys be okay with bringing Dirk off the bench? He said numerous times that if the day comes when he can help the team more that way, he is more than willing to do it. A couple of things to consider here: this would allow Barnes to play the lion's share of his minutes at the four spot, Dirk's defense wouldn't hurt as much, he would probably be more efficient against bench guys, and of course, he would be the in the closing lineup on most nights. I realize this is borderline blasphemous, but thought I'd ask anyway.

I think it really depends on his achilles... Right now he's slowing our pacing down to a crawl, so bringing him off the bench wouldn't be the worst idea. Hell, bring Deron off the bench too. And Bogut. Our entire starting lineup outside of Barnes is a mess right now.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-07-2016, 04:38 PM

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I think it really depends on his achilles... Right now he's slowing our pacing down to a crawl, so bringing him off the bench wouldn't be the worst idea. Hell, bring Deron off the bench too. And Bogut. Our entire starting lineup outside of Barnes is a mess right now.

Agree with this. Nobody outside of Barnes in the starting lineup should be safe at this point with how this offense looks.
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As long as dirk is ok with the bench idea obviously

Budapest Maverick · 11-07-2016, 05:22 PM

I definitely remember him saying that he would be okay with it, so that would not be a problem.

sike · 11-07-2016, 08:45 PM

I say go young HARD! Play the youngins meaningful minutes!!

rimrocker · 11-07-2016, 09:15 PM

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I say go young HARD! Play the youngins meaningful minutes!!

It only makes sense to me. Letting the young guys get the bulk of the minutes kills three birds with one stone.

1. Young guys can handle the wear and tear of an NBA season allowing vets to get limited minutes to help limit injury and preserve their careers.

2. Young guys get valuable development time.

3. We most likely end up with a high pick in a deep draft.

EricaLubarsky · 11-07-2016, 09:47 PM

Rick may have to go to the young guns. Brussino was bad but DFS was solid defensively. Reminded me of Buck with the body of Josh Howard

Bryan_Wilson · 11-08-2016, 06:05 AM

https://apnews.com/5ea71031924446b0a0d1300f1506b615

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Cuban said Monday that he banned Marc Stein and Tim MacMahon from Mavericks home games to bring attention to the issue of companies using automation in sports coverage.

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"Maybe I will be wrong but I see a direct path from the trends in coverage of games we are seeing over the last couple years to the automation of reporting on games and the curation of related content," Cuban wrote in an email to the AP. "This isn't a knock on wire services or their reporters. They are valued and valuable in sports coverage."

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Cuban said he was responding to what he considers a disturbing trend of reporters being replaced by machines.

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"While it may seem counterintuitive to ban someone from covering us as a way of stopping automation, it really was my only option," Cuban said. "As is evident by the AP partnership with Automated Insights, it's not if but when."

Funny thing about this to me is, Cowlishaw, Shelburne, and many others were very quick to say Cuban is "being an idiot" or being a "bully" or various other things all in an attempt to get his way and cover his team more. Rachel Nichols went on tv and said how sports coverage of teams changes based on trends and they can't have a reporter at every game for all NBA teams and expressed admiration for Cuban for speaking on his views even if they contradict "red state season ticket holders" during this election. Then she turned around and said how she is surprised he would speak out against media coverage and bully his way for more coverage. Even made a joke about the "the world is not going to end if espn.com does not have the latest information on Dirk's injury". Yet he's actually doing this so those same people don't get replaced, or at least a major downsizing in the industry, by automated "reporting". Those same people who are speaking about it, on national tv, or on twitter representing their employer, not a fan forum like we are, without all the facts.

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Rachel's video on Cuban is at the top-
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/...llas-mavericks

j0Shi · 11-08-2016, 08:07 AM

That's what I was referring to all along. There's gotta be a bigger issue Cubes is targeting and here we go. Now Tim Cowardshow looks like a pretty fat idiot himself, and deservingly so.

Murphy3 · 11-08-2016, 09:09 AM

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https://apnews.com/5ea71031924446b0a0d1300f1506b615

Funny thing about this to me is, Cowlishaw, Shelburne, and many others were very quick to say Cuban is "being an idiot" or being a "bully" or various other things all in an attempt to get his way and cover his team more. Rachel Nichols went on tv and said how sports coverage of teams changes based on trends and they can't have a reporter at every game for all NBA teams and expressed admiration for Cuban for speaking on his views even if they contradict "red state season ticket holders" during this election. Then she turned around and said how she is surprised he would speak out against media coverage and bully his way for more coverage. Even made a joke about the "the world is not going to end if espn.com does not have the latest information on Dirk's injury". Yet he's actually doing this so those same people don't get replaced, or at least a major downsizing in the industry, by automated "reporting". Those same people who are speaking about it, on national tv, or on twitter representing their employer, not a fan forum like we are, without all the facts.

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Rachel's video on Cuban is at the top-
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/...llas-mavericks

Cuban is being a buffoon.... which is par for the course.

Melonhead · 11-08-2016, 09:33 AM

Cuban masking the real reason...and of course this is Cuban trying to be preemptive because again hes the smartest guy in the room...its really stupid. You have to really go out of your way to defend his side of it.

I just feel bad for Dirk and the team, because it reflects on them.

EricaLubarsky · 11-08-2016, 10:03 AM

What a weird story.

sefant77 · 11-08-2016, 10:08 AM

I also love how douchebag Chandler Parsons thought that its because of his connection with TMac

sefant77 · 11-08-2016, 10:09 AM

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Cuban masking the real reason...and of course this is Cuban trying to be preemptive because again hes the smartest guy in the room...its really stupid. You have to really go out of your way to defend his side of it.

Again, thats the only way to get really attention to this issue and he knew it.

I allready hate so much this automatic generated blabla you find everywhere. He is actually trying to save the job of this sad prick Cowlishaw...

Bryan_Wilson · 11-08-2016, 10:30 AM

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Cuban masking the real reason...and of course this is Cuban trying to be preemptive because again hes the smartest guy in the room...its really stupid. You have to really go out of your way to defend his side of it.

I just feel bad for Dirk and the team, because it reflects on them.

I don't think I have to go very far to defend the fact that currently 19 NBA teams are being covered like this-
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/sportId/46
Those are articles you can find at 15 other websites, because they are automated.
So for instance...

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TMac has done the best reporting over the last couple of years. Monta, Rondo. Now we are left with Dwain Price and Fish?

You will not get reporting you saw with Rondo or Monta if everything is automated and apparently ESPN is trending that way unless you are a super team, or are the Knicks or Lakers since we were told-

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ESPN had informed the club that it wouldn't have a reporter at every game and would rely on wire services.

I'm pretty sure Tmac wouldn't have been as clued in on the Mavs locker room for Rondo and Monta if he were in the situation he is now. So we would be relying on(and currently 19 NBA teams fan bases are relying on) the automated articles from the wire services link I sent above.

So ESPN says they are relying on the automated articles to cover teams when they are not attending, yet also wants media access for.... what exactly? When we happen to play a super team? When Dirk reaches a milestone and they feel like attending? I'm not entirely on board with what Cuban has chosen to do but do, but I also do not care one bit about ESPN being denied access when they want to come and go when it suits them.

Melonhead · 11-08-2016, 10:35 AM

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Rick may have to go to the young guns. Brussino was bad but DFS was solid defensively. Reminded me of Buck with the body of Josh Howard

Was he bad? He got a 2 minute burn, missed a defensive assignment and was yanked and never got a chance to redeem himself. Almost everyone on the team has left their guy wide open for a 3. Mavs are one of the worst defending 3s. I hope he gets another chance because his shot is pure. I do like DFS too, hopefully he can settle in offensively.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-08-2016, 10:43 AM

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I allready hate so much this automatic generated blabla you find everywhere. He is actually trying to save the job of this sad prick Cowlishaw...

I rly hate it also. All yesterday when I would search "Dallas Mavericks" under news I would get the exact same article on 15 sites, including espn. This is a story that actually involves ESPN the brand and is there coverage of it? Nope. It's the same damn automated article everyone else has, the only aspect ESPN so far has brought that I've seen was the short intro Rachel Nichols had where she applauded Cuban for being outspoken and taking a stance against republicans but then calling him a bully and being shocked he was... outspoken took a stance against ESPN?