Unofficial thanks for the great moments jet thread.

[KillerLeft]

There should be no debate about retiring Terry's number. Automatic. He's done quite a lot for this team for a very long time.

2nd greatest Mav of all time? 3rd? 4th? If something has to be debated, then that's where I'd start.

[grndmstr_c]

Was re-thinking what I expected JET to sign for after some opinions voiced on the previous page, but I have to say, I really can't imagine him signing anywhere for less than 3/24, and wouldn't be surprised to see the total dollar amount creep closer to 30 mil. He's not a good fit for every team, but he's probably the #2 SG on the market this summer, and the teams that feel they can use him will come after him hard.

[rabbitproof]

I'll be stunned if he gets 3/24+.

3/18 is what I have him pegged for at most. 2/20 is possible.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'll be stunned if he gets 3/24+.

3/18 is what I have him pegged for at most. 2/20 is possible.

2 for 8 to 3 for 12 is my guess.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'll be stunned if he gets 3/24+.

3/18 is what I have him pegged for at most. 2/20 is possible.

I have a hard time conceiving of a market where both 6 per and 10 per are more likely than 8 per. I realize you're thinking of total money when you offer those projections, but it still strikes me as too paradoxical to be plausible.

At least you're willing to allow that offers approaching 10 per are possible, though. I don't even know what to say about Kidd Karma's guess.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I have a hard time conceiving of a market where both 6 per and 10 per are more likely than 8 per. I realize you're thinking of total money when you offer those projections, but it still strikes me as too paradoxical to be plausible.

At least you're willing to allow that offers approaching 10 per are possible, though. I don't even know what to say about Kidd Karma's guess.

Maybe I'm just stuck in Cuban's mode of flexibility and assuming it is a leaguewide phenomenon in terms of the new CBA and it's tax ramifications being more stringent on repeat offenders as well as the tiered tax rates.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, cause that's an apt comparison.

Terry's number will be retired. That it will apparently bother you, frankly, makes it even sweeter.

Badda boom, badda bing... Gotta love it!

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Maybe I'm just stuck in Cuban's mode of flexibility and assuming it is a leaguewide phenomenon in terms of the new CBA and it's tax ramifications being more stringent on repeat offenders as well as the tiered tax rates.

The problem is that the NBA FA market is always tough to read before it actually begins. A player's worth is what a team will pay him...simple as that. Clippers astonishingly gave Butler 3/24 so I guess that was his market value?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Maybe I'm just stuck in Cuban's mode of flexibility and assuming it is a leaguewide phenomenon in terms of the new CBA and it's tax ramifications being more stringent on repeat offenders as well as the tiered tax rates.

It won't be a league-wide phenomenon, at least if we take last summer as any sort of guide. Heck, at 4 mil per JET would be making less than JJB. There's just no way that's going to happen.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Remember when Jet scored 16 points in the fourth quarter against the Pacers?

[adonis]

Terry might've been offered a multi year extension had he kept his mouth shut the entire season.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by adonis

Terry might've been offered a multi year extension had he kept his mouth shut the entire season.

I very much doubt it.

[spreedom]

My best guesses: Chicago, Boston, LA Clippers, San Antonio.

I think Boston is the only team in that group that could or would offer him what he seems to think he's going to get.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The problem is that the NBA FA market is always tough to read before it actually begins. A player's worth is what a team will pay him...simple as that. Clippers astonishingly gave Butler 3/24 so I guess that was his market value?

He was a multiple all-star though, younger than Jet, as well as a much better defender. Right now, he wouldn't get that contract after the year he had, but 8 million wasn't that ridiculous for an all-star small forward, especially if you look around the league, and realize most premier SF's are earning 10,11, or even 12 million a year, and Butler could supposedly still play close to most of their level.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

He was a multiple all-star though, younger than Jet, as well as a much better defender. Right now, he wouldn't get that contract after the year he had, but 8 million wasn't that ridiculous for an all-star small forward, especially if you look around the league, and realize most premier SF's are earning 10,11, or even 12 million a year, and Butler could supposedly still play close to most of their level.

You're forgetting coming off of major knee surgery...

[sefant77]

He wanna get paid my ass.

He GOT PAID here in Dallas as a 2nd option and except one year never lived up to it when it counted. So yeah, maybe its not that wrong to ask for a hometown discount, specially if he thinks or wants to be a hero. And acting like a little girl because the Mavs didnt want to screw with their flexibility.

Career (may be incomplete) $87,255,794

Dirk gave up almost 10% of his career earnings as hometown discount. Too much to ask Terry for 8-10million?

[Kidd Karma]

Ah, he wants to get as much as he can now. If that means signing a 3-4 year deal with someone, so be it, by years 3-4, he'd better not be clamoring to join a winner. Honor the contract that you wanted. That's the problem, you get a taste, get greedy and go for the homerun. The guy has banked a lot of money. The guy has a great personality, one where he can go into the media and develop a niche somewhere.

[Bayliss]

[dude1394]

I sure hope Johnny capspace's junk doesn't shrink up during winning' time.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

You're forgetting coming off of major knee surgery...

That's why he got 8 million a year, and not 10 or 12.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by sefant77

He wanna get paid my ass.

He GOT PAID here in Dallas as a 2nd option and except one year never lived up to it when it counted. So yeah, maybe its not that wrong to ask for a hometown discount, specially if he thinks or wants to be a hero. And acting like a little girl because the Mavs didnt want to screw with their flexibility.

Career (may be incomplete) $87,255,794

Dirk gave up almost 10% of his career earnings as hometown discount. Too much to ask Terry for 8-10million?

I love the guy, i always say this, but it has to be clear to anybody who ever heard him talk, that he's not realistic when it comes to his value as a player. He really thinks he's a top 20, top 25 player in this league. That's probably what paid out last year though. Without him, and his "irrational confidence", we're not winning the championship last year, and obviously, we'll always be thankful for him, not just for that, but his whole Mavs career. But resigning him for anything more than 3-4 million at this point in his career, is probably not a good signing.

[stoble]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I sure hope Johnny capspace's junk doesn't shrink up during winning' time.

Haha, awesome.

From his last quote it sounds like he's not interested in a one year deal. I think he'll accept lower pay if we can give him 3 yrs. He's always in great shape, works hard, has a filthy 3 pt shot, and a 4th quarter sack the size of a house. So yes, I want him back. We need to offer him something more than 1 year though. Will the Mavs do that? You won't get a better shooter than him that's for sure.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I sure hope Johnny capspace's junk doesn't shrink up during winning' time.

Maybe the Mavs should sign Wesley Warren Jr., the man with the 100-lb scrotum, just in case.

[HueyFreeman]

Originally Posted by stoble

Haha, awesome.

From his last quote it sounds like he's not interested in a one year deal. I think he'll accept lower pay if we can give him 3 yrs. He's always in great shape, works hard, has a filthy 3 pt shot, and a 4th quarter sack the size of a house. So yes, I want him back. We need to offer him something more than 1 year though. Will the Mavs do that? You won't get a better shooter than him that's for sure.

Nash is a better shooter than Terry and a legitimate free agent target.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

That's why he got 8 million a year, and not 10 or 12.

He wasn't getting 10 a year regardless unless it was a 1 year deal, if it wasn't for the clippers Butler wouldn't have got more than 2/12.

[G-Man]

The Dirk-Jet 2 man game was so important to this franchise, it should get its own banner raised in the AAC. Maybe when they hang Jet's next to Dirk's, they can do some kind of art that shows them passing the rock to each other.

Much of the criticism here has been for Jets playoff failures. That is so much because Popovich understood that it was worth to let Dirk get his and sell out to stop Jet. That he could not overcome that was sad, but understandable.

The guy joined the franchise in an impossible situation, as Nash's replacement at point guard, with Avery Johnson as coach. He started as a horrible defender...as weak as Nash, but ended up a 4th quarter stalwart in the system RC designed to help him prosper. Little Stevie, on the other hand, only works in systems that don't care about D, and don't make it to the Finals.

His bonehead plays will remain legend. But his performance in 2 of the most important playoff runs supercede the failures. His record setting 3 point barrage to crush the Lakers will remain one of the greatest performances of any Mav at any time in history...as was his role in the Miami comeback of game 2. His taking over game 6 against Miami when Dirk faltered in the 1st half should be remembered as the Mav's all time most important clutch performance not by Dirk.

As a season ticket holder throughout the reign of Mark Agguire, the 3 J's and the Dirk era, no player besides Dirk has been responsible for so many emotional highs. I know his return is unlikely, but I will sure hate to see him go, and hate it even more to see him return in some other uniform. I just hope he goes east. If he comes back in Spurs black, or Laker blue, it will be too painful to even watch.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by G-Man

The Dirk-Jet 2 man game was so important to this franchise, it should get its own banner raised in the AAC. Maybe when they hang Jet's next to Dirk's, they can do some kind of art that shows them passing the rock to each other.

Much of the criticism here has been for Jets playoff failures. That is so much because Popovich understood that it was worth to let Dirk get his and sell out to stop Jet. That he could not overcome that was sad, but understandable.

The guy joined the franchise in an impossible situation, as Nash's replacement at point guard, with Avery Johnson as coach. He started as a horrible defender...as weak as Nash, but ended up a 4th quarter stalwart in the system RC designed to help him prosper. Little Stevie, on the other hand, only works in systems that don't care about D, and don't make it to the Finals.

His bonehead plays will remain legend. But his performance in 2 of the most important playoff runs supercede the failures. His record setting 3 point barrage to crush the Lakers will remain one of the greatest performances of any Mav at any time in history...as was his role in the Miami comeback of game 2. His taking over game 6 against Miami when Dirk faltered in the 1st half should be remembered as the Mav's all time most important clutch performance not by Dirk.

As a season ticket holder throughout the reign of Mark Agguire, the 3 J's and the Dirk era, no player besides Dirk has been responsible for so many emotional highs. I know his return is unlikely, but I will sure hate to see him go, and hate it even more to see him return in some other uniform. I just hope he goes east. If he comes back in Spurs black, or Laker blue, it will be too painful to even watch.

Thanks for this.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by mavs777

He wasn't getting 10 a year regardless unless it was a 1 year deal, if it wasn't for the clippers Butler wouldn't have got more than 2/12.

A 31 year old, 2-time all-star can only get 6 million a year, with the notorious overpaying that is going on in the league? I really don't think so, even when factoring in the injury.

[mavs777]

Jet's number should be retired; no question.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

A 31 year old, 2-time all-star can only get 6 million a year, with the notorious overpaying that is going on in the league? I really don't think so, even when factoring in the injury.

He got 2 all stars that he didn't deserve and is an inneffecient aging volume scorer coming off a serious injury; so yeah.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

A 31 year old, 2-time all-star can only get 6 million a year, with the notorious overpaying that is going on in the league? I really don't think so, even when factoring in the injury.

But he sucked most of last season, so I'm not really sure what you are still trying to argue? He simply wasn't worth 24/3...plain and simple.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by mavs777

He got 2 all stars that he didn't deserve and is an inneffecient aging volume scorer coming off a serious injury; so yeah.

Nonsense. He was a 20/6/5/2 55%TS player in his prime, with good to great defense, with one of the best mid range jumpshot in the league. Of course his all-star selection was well deserved, there is no argument otherwise. Very good stats, on a playoff team, the definition of an all-star.

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But he sucked most of last season, so I'm not really sure what you are still trying to argue? He simply wasn't worth 24/3...plain and simple.

Never said he was worth that especially in hindsight, i argued he could have gotten the same amount of money elsewhere, or close to it. It's not like he was 35 last summer. He was 31, and completely healed from the injury by the time he signed with the Clippers. Also, he started out this season extremely well, and plummeted after the first month or so, probably because of health. As of right now he's definitely way overpaid, no arguing that, i just don't think it was that horrible of a decision at the time they signed him. It could have easily worked.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by G-Man

The Dirk-Jet 2 man game was so important to this franchise, it should get its own banner raised in the AAC. Maybe when they hang Jet's next to Dirk's, they can do some kind of art that shows them passing the rock to each other.

Much of the criticism here has been for Jets playoff failures. That is so much because Popovich understood that it was worth to let Dirk get his and sell out to stop Jet. That he could not overcome that was sad, but understandable.

The guy joined the franchise in an impossible situation, as Nash's replacement at point guard, with Avery Johnson as coach. He started as a horrible defender...as weak as Nash, but ended up a 4th quarter stalwart in the system RC designed to help him prosper. Little Stevie, on the other hand, only works in systems that don't care about D, and don't make it to the Finals.

His bonehead plays will remain legend. But his performance in 2 of the most important playoff runs supercede the failures. His record setting 3 point barrage to crush the Lakers will remain one of the greatest performances of any Mav at any time in history...as was his role in the Miami comeback of game 2. His taking over game 6 against Miami when Dirk faltered in the 1st half should be remembered as the Mav's all time most important clutch performance not by Dirk.

As a season ticket holder throughout the reign of Mark Agguire, the 3 J's and the Dirk era, no player besides Dirk has been responsible for so many emotional highs. I know his return is unlikely, but I will sure hate to see him go, and hate it even more to see him return in some other uniform. I just hope he goes east. If he comes back in Spurs black, or Laker blue, it will be too painful to even watch.

Absolutely.. Nuff said.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by G-Man

The Dirk-Jet 2 man game was so important to this franchise, it should get its own banner raised in the AAC. Maybe when they hang Jet's next to Dirk's, they can do some kind of art that shows them passing the rock to each other.

Much of the criticism here has been for Jets playoff failures. That is so much because Popovich understood that it was worth to let Dirk get his and sell out to stop Jet. That he could not overcome that was sad, but understandable.

The guy joined the franchise in an impossible situation, as Nash's replacement at point guard, with Avery Johnson as coach. He started as a horrible defender...as weak as Nash, but ended up a 4th quarter stalwart in the system RC designed to help him prosper. Little Stevie, on the other hand, only works in systems that don't care about D, and don't make it to the Finals.

His bonehead plays will remain legend. But his performance in 2 of the most important playoff runs supercede the failures. His record setting 3 point barrage to crush the Lakers will remain one of the greatest performances of any Mav at any time in history...as was his role in the Miami comeback of game 2. His taking over game 6 against Miami when Dirk faltered in the 1st half should be remembered as the Mav's all time most important clutch performance not by Dirk.

As a season ticket holder throughout the reign of Mark Agguire, the 3 J's and the Dirk era, no player besides Dirk has been responsible for so many emotional highs. I know his return is unlikely, but I will sure hate to see him go, and hate it even more to see him return in some other uniform. I just hope he goes east. If he comes back in Spurs black, or Laker blue, it will be too painful to even watch.

Don't let the door hit ya....

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Don't let the door hit ya....

You stay classy, Murph.

[stoble]

I like what G-Man has to say.

[sbibi]

Originally Posted by G-Man

The Dirk-Jet 2 man game was so important to this franchise, it should get its own banner raised in the AAC. Maybe when they hang Jet's next to Dirk's, they can do some kind of art that shows them passing the rock to each other.

Much of the criticism here has been for Jets playoff failures. That is so much because Popovich understood that it was worth to let Dirk get his and sell out to stop Jet. That he could not overcome that was sad, but understandable.

The guy joined the franchise in an impossible situation, as Nash's replacement at point guard, with Avery Johnson as coach. He started as a horrible defender...as weak as Nash, but ended up a 4th quarter stalwart in the system RC designed to help him prosper. Little Stevie, on the other hand, only works in systems that don't care about D, and don't make it to the Finals.

His bonehead plays will remain legend. But his performance in 2 of the most important playoff runs supercede the failures. His record setting 3 point barrage to crush the Lakers will remain one of the greatest performances of any Mav at any time in history...as was his role in the Miami comeback of game 2. His taking over game 6 against Miami when Dirk faltered in the 1st half should be remembered as the Mav's all time most important clutch performance not by Dirk.

As a season ticket holder throughout the reign of Mark Agguire, the 3 J's and the Dirk era, no player besides Dirk has been responsible for so many emotional highs. I know his return is unlikely, but I will sure hate to see him go, and hate it even more to see him return in some other uniform. I just hope he goes east. If he comes back in Spurs black, or Laker blue, it will be too painful to even watch.

G, that was right on point. His boneheadedness, in which he is, really bothered me (as I was not the only one in multiple occasions) and I wouldn't mind one bit seeing him go. But your point(s) not only reminded me that he was a great teammate (especially for Dirk), but that he is an ultimate all-time mav great. Great post!

[wultdat]

Saw this a few minutes ago

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Celtics are in final discussions on terms of a multi-year deal with Mavericks free agent guard Jason Terry, sources tells Yahoo! Sports.
Retweeted by Adrian Wojnarowski

[DevinHarriswillstart]

It'll definitely be sad to see him go, but it's time for a new path. Thanks for the memories Jet!

[SMC0007]

Jet is probably the G/F that we thought we could do better than, but seeing them with someone else stings a bit more than we thought.