PGT: 0-2 Dirk'n'scrubs lose, refs get enough facetime to start their own IMDb pages

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

We've seen Dirk play with a clear cut top-10 center once in his entire career and that's the year the Mavericks went on a ridiculous tear through the playoffs and Nowitzki had one of the five greatest playoff runs in NBA history. He covers so many mistakes. It really makes you think 'if only' about the last 7 years.

Yup.. And we've seen what dirk can do with a top flight point as well, we just had to wait 5-6 years to get another one. Dirk will never play with another,center the quality of Ty.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

We can talk about the miscues until we are blue in the face, but Westbrook is having his way with Kidd/West/Terry with his jumper. May not be a popular opinion, but I would consider putting Roddy on Westbrook. His jumper is very clockwork with the timing...1..2..3..stop and pop. Roddy had it down pat in the last meeting and got a couple of blocks frustrating Russell and I believe he shot horrible the rest of the game. They have to do something to get him out of rhythm.

It's true. Roddy definitely bothered WB a lot on those. And with the way WB now has Terry on lock-down on D, I think it's worth a try.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by beatLA

if we didn't win it all last year, I wouldn't feel so disappointed now.

I have to stop thinking winning it all this year.

See this (and no offense to you personally) is the ass backwards mentality most sports fans have.

If we didn't win it all last year these two losses would be soooooooo much more devastating. We'd all be thinking Dirk is never going to get a ring, everyone would be bashing the Mavs calling them soft x10 like they did before last season. It would truly be a sad thing.

As for me: don't care, won championship. (ok I care somewhat, but not as much if we hadn't won a championship.)

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If no one has claimed it, I want Game 3.

The team was stuck at the airport for an additional hour due to severe weather in the area. It was coming down pretty hard and there were reports of hail, so they had to cover the plane. There were almost thoughts of saying f-it and just drive back home. The weather eventually turned and they made it back home around 2:25. Coaches were digging into the film heavy while we were waiting.

I say done!

[SchumiWDC]

LOL, couldn't believe this article when I read it...

http://newsok.com/dirk-cheap-nowitzk...rticle/3671430

[thunderfan]

This game had some horrendous foul calls going both ways at times. I was there in person. Dirk was given some extremely generous calls, some of which were the result of some spectacular and absurd acting/flopping. Were the refs trying to call this thing close in the 2nd half to keep the scuffles to a minimum or what? Holy crap. Dallas, of course, got some ticky-tack fouls called on them as well, benefitting OKC. Dallas is just so darn methodical and it gives OKC trouble. They are very smart defensively as well, making up for any physical shortcomings they might have in terms of length and speed. KD just flat out doesn't know what the hell's going on in this series. Marion has him frustrated and confused or he's just completely off his game, or a little of both.

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by SchumiWDC

LOL, couldn't believe this article when I read it...

http://newsok.com/dirk-cheap-nowitzk...rticle/3671430

Jenni Carlson wrote that. That's about all I can say. She writes some retarded stuff.

[mavsman]

Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

Did you even post here during the run last year? Seriously who are you?

In fact he did post here last year. This is what he had to say after game 4 of the Blazers-series:

Originally Posted by Como11

Dallas Choke Mavericks. You will always be an embarrassment

and then game 4 vs OKC

Originally Posted by Como11

Dirk can't do much against this team anymore. They got him figured out.

and during game 2 of the finals

Originally Posted by Como11

Mavericks fucking suck. [...] We will always be losers until we just completely blow the team up apart.

and in December 2011

Originally Posted by Como11

I have a horrible feeling this team will not make the playoffs

So, yes, he did post here last year and he can clearly predict the future like no other.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

LMAO, Como just got pnwed.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mavsman

In fact he did post here last year. This is what he had to say after game 4 of the Blazers-series:

and then game 4 vs OKC

and during game 2 of the finals

and in December 2011


So, yes, he did post here last year and he can clearly predict the future like no other.

This looks like an ass-whipping of epic PORPORTIONS!

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If no one has claimed it, I want Game 3.

The team was stuck at the airport for an additional hour due to severe weather in the area. It was coming down pretty hard and there were reports of hail, so they had to cover the plane. There were almost thoughts of saying f-it and just drive back home. The weather eventually turned and they made it back home around 2:25. Coaches were digging into the film heavy while we were waiting.

All you bro.

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Any Mav fan would love to see him be a Mav without even thinking once about it. Anyone who wouldn't is fucking stupid plain and simple.

Ok...?

Originally Posted by SchumiWDC

LOL, couldn't believe this article when I read it...

http://newsok.com/dirk-cheap-nowitzk...rticle/3671430

Saw the title and closed the page. I can't even fathom how someone can even conjure up something of that nature. Good grief are sports writers that desperate for a drama filled story?

[nowhereman]

Wow - Dirk as public enemy #1 in OKC? Thanks! Because, honestly, none of those guys are even on my top 10 (in no order - Bowen, Mcdyess, West, Paul, Wade, Martin, Anderson, Baron Davis, Barnes, Odom, and probably some Sacramento guys). It's kinda awesome that they care so much. It's like Utah hating Dirk ostensibly because they think he's dirty, but really because he'll go out and score 29 points on them in the fourth quarter, and they're pissed that he's surpassed Malone. This really comes down to 48 points on 15 shots, and kicking OKC's ass while KD busts out a championship belt.

Can you say butt hurt?

If anything, I'm super grateful to them for rolling over in game 4 last year, and for Durant's foul on Marion's layup in game 5 helping us close out that series early. Just the shot in the arm we needed to keep us sharp going into the finals.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Does it go too far to say that Marion has been the best Maverick this season? I really don't think there is a better man defender in the league.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

So Ghostface you wouldn't take Westbrook on our team, even though our point guards are a 39 year old and some backups? He's close to a top 5 pg in the league.

I think someone averaging over 23ppg and who attacks and is a pretty good defender would help our team. But maybe I'm crazy.

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does it go too far to say that Marion has been the best Maverick this season? I really don't think there is a better man defender in the league.

He's an exceptional defender if he wants to be.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Does it go too far to say that Marion has been the best Maverick this season? I really don't think there is a better man defender in the league.

He's definitely been the most consistent, no doubt...

I don't know what our plans are this summer, but if trading Marion is in the cards, then his value has to be at an all-time high after these last two seasons.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by thunderfan

He's an exceptional defender if he wants to be.

You can drop the backhanded "if he wants to be" - Shawn Marion is one of the best defenders in the league every night he suits-up.

It's his offense that comes and goes...

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by Underdog

You can drop the backhanded "if he wants to be" - Shawn Marion is one of the best defenders in the league every night he suits-up.

It's his offense that comes and goes...

Quit reading into everything like a woman. I was complimenting the guy's defense.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by thunderfan

He's an exceptional defender if he wants to be.

Man that's bogus. When does he not want to be?

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Kevin Durant can sure hit free throws if he wants to.

That's because he gets plenty of in game practice on them.

I just gave Durant a compliment like thunderfan's Marion compliment. Don't read too much into it like a woman.

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Man that's bogus. When does he not want to be?

Hell, I don't know what the guy wants or doesn't want. I was just saying he's an exceptional defender.

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Kevin Durant can sure hit free throws if he wants to.

That's because he gets plenty of in game practice on them.

I just gave Durant a compliment like thunderfan's Marion compliment. Don't read too much into it like a woman.

He's usually pretty reliable at the stripe.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by thunderfan

He's usually pretty reliable at the stripe.

And Marion is pretty much always a good defender. His "want to" is tops in that regard.

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And Marion is pretty much always a good defender. His "want to" is tops in that regard.

Maybe so. I wasn't suggesting it wasn't. I've seen guys who appear as though they don't give a **** sometime, so basically I was just saying Marion has the ability to be an exceptional defender.

[nowhereman]

I really don't need, one way or the other, another team's fan's endorsement of Marion's defensive capabilities. Let's just hope Trix continues to find ways to contain Durant. So far, he's done an incredible job taking away KD's dominant foot on his drives, cutting off his preferred spots, and contesting everything. We just need a guy who can do that consistently to Harden, and hope our bigs can improve their rotations when Ibaka/Collison/etc slide backdoor.

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

So Ghostface you wouldn't take Westbrook on our team, even though our point guards are a 39 year old and some backups? He's close to a top 5 pg in the league.

I think someone averaging over 23ppg and who attacks and is a pretty good defender would help our team. But maybe I'm crazy.

Show where I said or implied any of that?

Westbook posts impressive stats yes, I am not debating that. What I am saying is he has a tendency to shoot OKC out of the game in critical moments. I can't remember the last time Rose did the same. Maybe last year against the Heat he could've passed it up instead of taking that really bad shot off the dribble.

I don't know who these "some people" are that you spoke about in your original post, but the issue may critics have with Westbook is that is takes far too many unnecessary shots instead of passing it off to Durant who many trust far more with the ball.

Why would I want Brian (Russell, thanks SMC0007) Westbrook as a Mav when we're going after Deron? I don't understand. If you mean hypothetically then which team with an aging PG or teams that don't even have a solid PG not want him...?

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Well of course it's hypothetical, last I checked he just signed a max contract extension with OKC.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by GhostFace

Show where I said or implied any of that?

Westbook posts impressive stats yes, I am not debating that. What I am saying is he has a tendency to shoot OKC out of the game in critical moments. I can't remember the last time Rose did the same. Maybe last year against the Heat he could've passed it up instead of taking that really bad shot off the dribble.

I don't know who these "some people" are that you spoke about in your original post, but the issue may critics have with Westbook is that is takes far too many unnecessary shots instead of passing it off to Durant who many trust far more with the ball.

Why would I want Brian Westbrook as a Mav when we're going after Deron? I don't understand. If you mean hypothetically then which team with an aging PG or teams that don't even have a solid PG not want him...?

I'm lost.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm lost.

lol nice catch.

Brian Westbrook is past his prime, he was great on the Eagles but I don't think he'll help the Mavs.

[GhostFace]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm lost.

Lol thanks. Eagles player.. always mix up Russell and Brian.

[beatLA]

I'm sick of biased officiating in NBA. It's hurting real fans who have true love for basketball.

[LonghornDub]

Mavs may well win the next two. But even if not, I'm pretty proud of their effort. Wish they could close out games better, but that's sports. Sometimes Dirk hits that wide open three, sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes Terry makes one of those last-gasp bombs, sometimes he doesn't. Just fell the wrong way this time (and a lot this season, as it were).

[BGMaverick9]

just in case this link doesn't work.
http://www.mavsfastbreak.com/2012/05...g-to-lay-down/

OKLAHOMA CITY — It was another down to the wire game between the Mavericks and the Thunder. Oklahoma City came out on top again with a 102-99 victory. The Thunder now have a 2-0 lead in the best-of-seven series as the series shifts back to Dallas on Thursday night.

The Mavericks are down 2-0 in the series due to a painful course of repetition. Once again, Dallas had issues finding a way to score in the final stretch of the game. They had two buckets in the final 2:17 of the game, a Vince Carter jumper and a layup by Jason Terry. Oklahoma City didn’t hit a field goal in the final 4:51 of the game, but found points at the free throw line as they went a perfect 8-of-8 from the line down the stretch. This now marks the fourth game in Oklahoma City where Dallas has led in the final minute of the game only to see their opponent come out victorious. “Well, it’s tough,” Dirk Nowitzki admitted. “Really, all four games we’ve had here — two in the regular season and two in the playoffs — we’re right there and really we’re just a couple of bounces away from being up 2-0. It’s tough and it’s frustrating, but we’ve got to keep coming. We’re not going to lay down.”

When it comes to assessing the first two games of the series, Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle was blunt about what hasn’t gone right. “We just haven’t made enough plays,” coach Carlisle said. “It’s tough, no question about it. We’ve had opportunities and we haven’t cashed in.

“As my good friend (Rangers’ manager) Ron Washington would say, ‘that’s how baseball go.’ Hey, they held serve. We got to go home and hold serve. We come away disappointed, but not dismayed.”

Dirk Nowitzki had two critical misses in the fourth quarter, but it’s nearly impossible to put the blame on his shoulders. Nowitzki had a spectacular performance, scoring 31 points on 10-of-19 shooting, highlighted by a 14-point second quarter. The two misses might be the thing that linger most. With 1:13 left in the game and a one-point lead, 97-96, Nowitzki had a wide open look at a 25-foot jumper. Ultimately, the shot would not hit the bottom of the net. The other shot saw him go for a patented fadeaway jumper. Like Kevin Durant’s game-winning shot in the opening game of the series, Nowitzki’s shot would hit various parts of the rim. Unlike Durant’s shot, the ball would rattle outside.

“That 3-ball I had in the corner, that’s game time if we go up four,” Nowitzki said. “The game’s over. I had a good look. The other one, the fadeaway, I’ve made it a hundred times. It bounced, hit every part of the rim and bounced off.

“That’s kind of the way our season’s been going. They get their bounce last game. We don’t get it. It’s frustrating, but we’re going to keep coming and compete the same way.”

The Mavericks are 1-7 when they lose the first two games of a best-of-seven series. Dallas has climbed out of an 0-2 hole twice in franchise history. They defeated Houston in seven games in 2005, after dropping the first two games of the opening-round series at home. They also came back from an 0-2 deficit to beat Utah in five games in 2001.

Even with that daunting challenge ahead of them, Nowitzki believes his team will fight. “If they beat us, we’re going to make them earn it…We’re not going to give it to them. They’ve got to take it,” Nowitzki said. Dirk had a simple answer for what the team has to do to bounce back after suffering another tough loss that came down to the wire. “You’ve just got to keep competing,” Nowitzki concluded. “We’re not going to lay down.” In addition to not laying down, the Mavericks have another thing on their to-do list – protect their home floor.

[j0Shi]

Bullets

Game:

• Mavs lose to Thunder 107.66 to 110.93 PP100, both teams combine for 38.61 FTA P100 and 29.36 Fouls P100, the most in any playoff game so far
• The last time both teams attempted at least 30 free throws while shooting at least 87% was Jan 21st 2009: OKC @ GSW
• 110.93 Defensive Efficiency is the most this season against the Thunder
• Mavs ball-movement still on the decline, set a series-low 39.39% AST% and 0.93 AST/TOV-ratio again
• Despite shooting a barrage of FTs, Thunder only score 59.81 PP100 in the paint and off free throws, a new low against the Mavs this season
• They fittingly took their average 2FG from 10.69 feet, the most for the series
• Dallas meanwhile did a nice job keeping OKC off the offensive glass, set a new high for DRB% in the series at 82.14%
• In the first half Dallas gave up 124.58 PP100 including 30.60 in transition, in the second half 97.48 & 21.66
• In 2H Mavs also scored 84.48 of their 106.14 PP100 in the paint or at the line, the most for them in 2H against the Thunder this season
• OKC attempted only 21 FG in the paint opposed to the Mavs 38, but shot a decent % on long 2FGs (16-for-29 from 10+ feet)
• Thunder outscored the Mavs in the Clutch again (10-8). Five out of six games this season saw Clutch minutes, the Thunder have won every one
• OKC outscored the Mavs by a total of 61-49 in the Clutch this season, last night Dallas allowed only 98.06 PP100 though, the fewest for Clutch time against the Thunder for a single game

Lineups:

• The starting unit was outscored in both playoff games. Yesterday by 15.27 PP100 on 145.08 Def. Played only 6.95 min as Rick Carlisle chose Mahinmi over Haywood in the second half
• That unit outscored the Thunder by 95.88 PP100 starting the second half on 162.99 OffEff
• Pure bench units were even more putrid: -43.98 on 59.68 Off. They consequently played only 15.97 minutes
• Only backcourt that worked came with Kidd at the helm: Kiddois (+62.99), Kidd/West (+34.36). After holding their ground in GM1, Terry/West continued their struggles against OKC (-68.39)
• For the season, the Thunder now have outscored the Terry/West backcourt by 22.86 PP100 (94-74)
• C-Watch: Mahinmi shined again, Mavs outscore Thunder by 20.36 with him (90.16 Def), +5.81 PP100 in the Paint and at the line & 50.00% TRB
• C-Watch: Mavs also did better than expected with Dirk at the 5: +11.06 and scored 95.88 of 129.06 in the Paint. Also: 54.55% TRB
• Unadj. +/- to Kidd (+87.37). Effs with him: 122.65 Off & 103.67 Def. Not loved: Wright, Terry, Carter, West, Wood

Players:

• Dirk leads PER (26.7), Mahinmi WS48 (0.479) & WP48 (0.351). Also solid/good games from Kidd, West, Marion. Terry, Carter & Haywood contributed to the loss
• Marion posts best TS% outside C-position (69.7%). Ian best rebounder (17.9%), Kidd takes AST% (26.9%) as usual
• Dirk took seven shots at the rim (four makes), again avoided long range J's, took only one from 16+ feet (two threes)
• West also played more aggressive than in GM1, attempted six at the rim (three makes)
• Counterpart adjusted advanced metrics:
  

  PlayerName		oAdjPER	oAdjWS48	oAdjWP48	oDiffPER	oDiffWS48	oDiffWP48
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ian Mahinmi		44.27	0.821	0.930	19.72	0.342	0.579
  Shawn Marion		20.36	0.348	0.302	4.35		0.178	0.145
  Dirk Nowitzki		37.07		0.485	0.288	10.42	0.243	0.224
  Jason Kidd			15.21	0.195	0.079	1.21		0.122	-0.024
  Delonte West		14.10	0.027	0.009	-6.00		-0.055	-0.130
  Vince Carter		3.12		-0.186	-0.071	-1.45		-0.088	0.024
  Jason Terry		-9.57		-0.441	-0.524	-14.78	-0.360	-0.279
  Brendan Haywood	-34.82	-0.831	-1.270	-37.90	-0.527	-0.888

• Ian, Marion and Dirk get nice upgrades adjusting for defense, the backcourt struggles and unsurprisingly JET takes the most blame.
• Also worth noting that West, who is considered a reliable defender, slips into no man's land despite a good offensive outing
• Haywood ?!?

More:

• Gameflow chart

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by thunderfan

Hell, I don't know what the guy wants or doesn't want. I was just saying he's an exceptional defender.

If he wants to be, right. He's ALWAYS an exceptional defender and he certainly has wanted to be everytime you've watched him.

[redzwestisbest]

Although, I hate the fact that Westbrook is schooling our guards with midranger, I think RC is employing the correct strategy of making him a jump shooter. The times when we weren't giving him a jumpshot, he EASILY went around whomever was guarding him and got to the cup for a score or was fouled. Our help defense past the initial defender against Westbrook isn't good enough (hasn't shown the ability to be good enough yet) to take away his jumper. I think this is why RC is playing the drive more with Westbrook especially after seeing westbrook get to the hole on a PNR with Delonte going over the pick a few times.

Also, I observe that Harden is a pretty tough guy to defend when he drives to the basket. He is a load, kind of like a young Ron Artest. I think is the area where we miss Tyson Chandler because he was able to defend a physical player like Harden when he drives to the cup. Haywood et all, usually needs to just foul or hope Harden misses.

I'm open to putting Roddy in the game more. I think we will see him more against Westbrook. I wouldn't mind testing a Delonte/Roddy backcourt some since Delonte is usually one of our better close out defenders on the perimeter. I don't know. Delonte was getting pulled basically everytime he messed up. I think RC doesn't have alot of confidence in West after he makes a mistake to rebound from that mistake. Same with Roddy.

[dude1394]

This is how he has to play westbrook. Our guards can't get up on him because there is no one in the back. Our centers are too inept to play the pnr to allow the defender to get back on him.

But we do have "johnny-capspace".

[j0Shi]

We absolutely have to figure out ways to get more out of our backup backcourt. Thunder made their big run without Westbrook and Durant on the floor against Terry/West. That can't happen.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

We absolutely have to figure out ways to get more out of our backup backcourt. Thunder made their big run without Westbrook and Durant on the floor against Terry/West. That can't happen.

I guess but tbh it has been our end of game execution that has lost both of them.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I guess but tbh it has been our end of game execution that has lost both of them.

Yeah. Would still be more comfortable if the Mavs wouldn't have to dig out of a 16-point hole throughout caused by Derek freaking Fisher...

Think the role players will rebound at home. Maybe then it won't be necessary to take the coin flip at the end of games.