Mavs X Bucks Game 2

[DNNF]

Originally posted by: bernardos70
Walker, ejected? What the heck was that all about? And why didn't the refs do it earlier? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

lol. We woulda won this game if they threw his ass out in 1st quarter.

[Simon2]

oops. Walker was thrown out.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: DNNF

I take that back. Walker can lose you the game sitting out too by getting a fuc*ing tech.

This game was ALREADY Over when Dirk MISSED that 3 with 50+ seconds left to bring the Mavs within 1.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Walker just simply lost his COOL.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

[DNNF]

What was the reason for Walker's ejection?? Too ugly ?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

This game was ALREADY Over when Dirk MISSED that 3 with 50+ seconds left to bring the Mavs within 1.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]


Walker just simply lost his COOL.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

He also got his ass kicked out of the game.....WHY? I have NO IDEA. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[MavsFanFinley]

Walker gets tossed and he wasn't even in the game?

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: DNNF
What was the reason for Walker's ejection?? Too ugly ?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Nah. That's actually one of his GOOD points. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]


I think he earns disability payments with that MUG. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]




Seriously, though...What happened? did he BUMP/PUNCH a Ref or something?

[bernardos70]

Who is Dan Gadzuric, and why does Don Nelson think a 7'6" can't help out on defending against him?

[MavsFanFinley]

Damnit. Yahoo had final after it updated.

Who took the last shot?

[#41]

Well, good night guys!

[dude1394]

What the heck happened... .

Mavs outshot the bucks:

Field Goal Percentage .476 .462
Free-Throw Percentage .875 .731
3-Point Percentage .429 .300

6 more turnovers by the mavs might be it. Also it looked like the refs swallowed their whistles, could have used a thug out there.

I would have liked to have seen the mantis out there, one of my few nellie issues.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: bernardos70
Who is Dan Gadzuric, and why does Don Nelson think a 7'6" can't help out on defending against him?

I guess he thought that dirk fella could handle him.

[MavsFanFinley]

Mavs lose 109-101.

Howard (34) 4-9, 0-1, 2-2, 10pts, 7rbs, 1as, 1to, 1blk

Walker (36) 7-16, 1-5, 15pts, 4rbs, 6as, 2to's

Dirk (44) 9-17, 2-5, 3-3, 23pts, 14rbs, 5as, 2to's, 1stl, 2blks

Finley (42) 5-15, 2-5, 1-1, 13pts, 3rbs, 2as, 1to

Nash (36) 5-13, 4-5, 3-4, 17pts, 4rbs, 10as, 3to's, 1stl

Jamison (33) 8-10, 4-4, 20pts, 9rbs, 1to, 1stl

Best (8) 0-1, 2rbs

Daniels (6) 1-1, 1-2, 3pts

Bradley (10) 1rb, 1to

[Bayliss]

That was a freakin' pitiful game. Dirk's defense is bad. But Good Lord. He had 2 blocks, 1 steal, and 12 defensive boards. Where in the world were the others?

Why in the world can we not give a guy 5-5 from the floor in the first quarter more than 3 shots a quarter for the rest of the game. Tonight should've been a night where Dirk received 25 shots.

Can Antawn Jamison play any defense?

Can Shawn Bradley play? Nellie, take your head out of your ass and actually play the only center you have on the roster.

[Chicago JK]

Can Shawn Bradley play? Nellie, take your head out of your ass and actually play the only center you have on the roster.[/quote]

Bradley obviously isn't. After he tumbled and turned the ball over on that rebound he could barely stand up. His back is still bothering him. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a lingering problem.

I like this Mav team. They need a big energy player that plays like Godzilla or Skinner. That player may not come this year but you can find them in free agency. The Mavs may not need a 35 minute center because in all liklehood they aren't available, but they have to find a physical force who can play 20 minutes and do the little things. If they find that player, then I think the collection of talent they currently have can work with this team.

[Bayliss]

Last year or year before? We had a chance to sign Skinner.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: Bayliss
That was a freakin' pitiful game. Dirk's defense is bad. But Good Lord. He had 2 blocks, 1 steal, and 12 defensive boards. Where in the world were the others?

Why in the world can we not give a guy 5-5 from the floor in the first quarter more than 3 shots a quarter for the rest of the game. Tonight should've been a night where Dirk received 25 shots.

Can Antawn Jamison play any defense?

Can Shawn Bradley play? Nellie, take your head out of your ass and actually play the only center you have on the roster.

Well dirk certainly had the opportunity for 7 more shots as he had 5 assists and 2 turnovers. Of course he took 17 so that would be 24 opportunities.

Looks like defense was all tonight, not offense. The bucks were outshot but out-hustled the mavs to every loose ball it seemed. That one possession when the bucks guy went to the ground while three mavs stood around and tried to grab it was indicative. They really are having problems getting up for normal games this year.

[MightyToine]

Anybody watch the game on TV?

Why did Walker get ejected? Seriously, now.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]



Bad loss especially considering that we had the MANTIS ready to go but Nellie would refuse to insert him late in the game.....AND we got outhustled by GADS-Doofus down low....MOst of his rebounds have GOT to be offensive...Jeez!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: DNNF
I take that back. Walker can lose you the game sitting out too by getting a fuc*ing tech.

Wow.

I don't know what to say. Did you REALLY think we were going to win at that moment? Do you REALLY blame the loss on that ONE incident?

I can understand being frustrated and being mad at a player but this is a little overboard.

[MavsFanFinley]

Can Antawn Jamison play any defense?

Nope. What you see is what you get with Jamison and defensive effort. OutletPass will tell you the same thing. Jamison can get you a lot of easy points around the basket, and is good for 8-9 rebounds, but that's where it stops. He will always be a liability on defense.

Can Shawn Bradley play? Nellie, take your head out of your ass and actually play the only center you have on the roster.

I will only assume Bradley didn't play much because of matchups. And for the fact that he had only 1 practice in with the team since getting the clear to play. I was surprised he played at all because Nelson is pretty set in that a player have a few practices before returning from injury.

[Chicago JK]

Originally posted by: Bayliss
Last year or year before? We had a chance to sign Skinner.

Yep I liked Skinner. He signed a low cost contract. In fact I also like Godzilla in the draft a few years ago. I thought he was a very good pick in the second round. He he what he is, but I thought he could be a physical force that would have a nice career. Gadzuric might be turning into a little better player than I thought though.

Quick Fact--In Dirk's coming out party at the hoop summitt game in San Antonio back in High school Gadzuric was on the foreign team and was the back up for Dirk. I thought Gadzuric would have a better college career but he really never was consistent in college.

[MavsFanFinley]

Last year or year before? We had a chance to sign Skinner.

If I remember correctly, not many were on board for signing him.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Chicago JK
Can Shawn Bradley play? Nellie, take your head out of your ass and actually play the only center you have on the roster.

Bradley obviously isn't. After he tumbled and turned the ball over on that rebound he could barely stand up. His back is still bothering him. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a lingering problem.

I saw the same thing. Bradley looked like an old man when he was trying to stand up. He's not going to be any help for quite awhile. He needs to be flexible to play his game - blocking shots.

[Simon2]

Anyone notice a DNP for Delk? What's up with that?

[Chicago JK]

Originally posted by: Max Power

Wow.

I don't know what to say. Did you REALLY think we were going to win at that moment? Do you REALLY blame the loss on that ONE incident?

I can understand being frustrated and being mad at a player but this is a little overboard.

I thought Walker played pretty well. I still don't like some of his shots...especially a three he took when the game was still close.


I think Walker is fitting into a role that I like over the past several games. He isn't the problem right now.

[ShaggyDirk]

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[MavsFanFinley]

Anyone notice a DNP for Delk? What's up with that?

I know. I kept thinking he might get a shot in the 2nd half. I guess he's in the doghouse while Best get's his second chance to contribute.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Chicago JK

I thought Walker played pretty well. I still don't like some of his shots...especially a three he took when the game was still close.


I think Walker is fitting into a role that I like over the past several games. He isn't the problem right now.

I thought Walker had a poor game. He should have played better on defense and he should have gotten some more boards. But there is no way that his technicals cost us the game.

And I agree with your other comment. Walker's role is becoming fairly well defined and its a good one if he plays under control. Jamison, on the other hand, is looking useless. The Mavs cannot afford his terrible defense regardless of what he brings on offense.

[Nash13]

If I remember correctly, not many were on board for signing him

He was a free agent over this past summer. And when he signed to Milwaulkee, Dallas had two centers.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley

If I remember correctly, not many were on board for signing him.

Just because he looks good against the Mavs doesn't mean he's a good player.

[Bayliss]

And I agree with your other comment. Walker's role is becoming fairly well defined and its a good one if he plays under control. Jamison, on the other hand, is looking useless. The Mavs cannot afford his terrible defense regardless of what he brings on offense.

Well, at first I thought we should keep him. But he cannot guard anyone. Dirk on two bad ankles has better lateral movement than Jamison. And Jamison does not get any blocks, rarely any steals... and doesn't rebound defensively. I am beginning to wonder if he is useless.

He is anefficient scorer. But he is becoming the Kevin McHale of the Mavs: black hole. He does not pass at all.

For anyone that whines about Dirk's defense. At least he post decent defensive numbers. Jamison doesn't even do that.

[Chicago JK]

Originally posted by: Max Power

Just because he looks good against the Mavs doesn't mean he's a good player.

I just think he is the type of player the Mavs need. He is Najara with two extra inches. Stepania is another player who is similar. So is Madsen who the Mavs tried to sign this offseason. When other teams bring their energy big guys off the bench in the second quarter we have nothing to match up. Najara isn't big enough or healthy enough to play with the Gary Trents, Aaron Williams, etc. We need a player to fill that role. We need to find a free agent either by trade or find him next offseason via FA. It isn't a glamour FA signing but one that Donnie has to find that will fit into the puzzle correctly.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Max Power

Wow.

I don't know what to say. Did you REALLY think we were going to win at that moment? Do you REALLY blame the loss on that ONE incident?

I can understand being frustrated and being mad at a player but this is a little overboard.

Walker will ALWAYS be the scapegoat of this team, it seems. It's sad, really. He REALLY Wants to win. But it's up to the Coach to determine what Walker should and SHOULD NOT do that is the real issue here.

The day that Nellie stated that Walker should shoot more 3's might as well be the Final Nail in the coffin.....that IDIOT. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

[Simon2]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley

I know. I kept thinking he might get a shot in the 2nd half. I guess he's in the doghouse while Best get's his second chance to contribute.

Something must be up.

[Murphy3]

the big difference was on the glass and with the turnovers.
you can't turn the ball over that many more times and get out rebounded and expect to beat a team that shot the ball pretty well from the floor.

[Murphy3]

of course, 11 turnovers is only bad when the other team only turns it over 5 times.

[ddh33]

A few quick thoughts on the game.

First of all, I don't care what statistics might say, or did say earlier in the season. This team is not a good rebounding team. Add that to the horrible defense (I sound like Bill Walton), and you have what we see on the court. At the end of the game, I have confidence in very few people to pull down a board, and confidence in virtually no one to get a defensive stop. I know everyone keeps comparing this year's team to last, but the biggest difference to me is that I always felt confident that last year's team would pull out the win. This year's team just gives me a vibe that they are going to lose it at the end - even when we're winning in the fourth quarter...

A few thoughts on particular players:

Antawn Jamison is a great guy and true professional. However, I tend to say that he is the most duplicated part on this team. I love the way he gets easy buckets inside. I love the way he doesn't need to dominate the ball to be successful. His defense is atrocious, though he seems to give good effort sometimes. His defense rebounding also seems to suffer due to his lack of physical strength. If someone gets dealt, I have a feeling Jamison is the guy getting offered...

Antoine Walker was not the problem tonight. In fact, he has been the problem in very few games this season. His effort is unquestioned, and his versatility has been a blessing. Sure, he can be too dominating at times, but I don't worry too much since I think his leadership is needed many times. By the way, no one has brought up (at least not that I saw) that Walker looks to be noticeably hurting. There are times it looks like he is limping up and down the court and trying to get rebounds. I know the coaching staff said in the papers that he was hurting, so maybe we need to take note. It's not fair that some guys on this team get a free pass because they're struggling with injuries while others do not. I don't mean to be a Walker apologist, but he doesn't deserve all the blame for this team's struggles.

Tony Delk is not this bad. What has happened? Neither is Travis Best.

Shawn Bradley may have real problems with his back. I'm really concerned. It's almost ironic, after so many have killed Shawn for his lack of impact on games that we cry for him now to help us out any way he can.

We need Najera's energy back. I know that Eddie is out of position more than most guys on the team when he is on the floor. He doesn't rebound like a PF should, and he has a limited offensive game. But his greatest contribution to this team was encouraging guys and letting his energy rub off on others. There have been many games over the years where our players looked like they were running in mud until Eddie-Energy came in and helped everyone find an extra gear. We could use that now...

We need Fortson's toughness. I know a lot of guys don't like him, but he was sorely missed tonight. Despite his limited abilities, he is one of the only guys I feel confident with when it comes to getting rebounds. I don't think it hurts to have someone on the court that scares opposing players either. Maybe that would keep them from jumping right over every player we have for rebound after rebound.

The rookies are really nice players. They're going to be alright. I must admit that I am a little concerned that Josh is virtually the only guy on our team doing a lot of the dirty work. I wonder how long that will last until he starts to get discouraged? It's not fair to ask him to do everything. Daniels, on the other hand, is going to do nothing but earn more minutes as the season goes along.

The Big Three need to get back to being themselves. I think they probably will soon enough. At least, I hope they do.

I don't know what the problem is with this team. Personally, I believe there are several problems that aren't going to go away by themselves. Hopefully, we get back on track soon.

[Walkerforthree]

Im sorry, but Walker had a horrible game. How the *bleep* can you say he had a good game. What was good?
Was it the 7-16 shooting?
The 0 ft's?
The 15 points on 16 shots?
The under 1.00 pps?
The only one less shot attempt then Dirk?
The 4, FOUR GD boards?
The 2, TWO defensive boards?
The poor D?
The two to's?

Oh, but I guess the 6 assist remedy ALL THAT.


Oh yes, but Dirk lost this game. He started 5-5 and then we got him ALL OF 2 *BLEEP* SHOT ATTEMPTS IN THE SECOND QUARTER, TWO. THIS WAS DOUGH BOY'S FAULT, AND DUDE, GET OFF NELLIE'S NUTS. THIS WAS HIS FAULT. AND NO, DIRK DIDN'T START MISSING SHOTS. HE GOT TWO MEASLEY SHOTS IN THE SECOND, AND SHOT 40% IN THE THIRD AND 4TH ON ONLY 4 SHOTS IN EACH QUARTER, UNACCEPTABLE. AND DON'T ACT LIKE EVERY ASSIST AND TURNOVER = A *BLEEPING* SHOT ATTEMPT! BS, YOU KNOW IT. HE SHOULD OF GOTTEN 25 SHOTS IN ADDITION TO THE ASSIST AND TO'S! I AM FED UP WITH THIS CRAP, IF YOU HAVE A ISSUE WITH THE CAPS, *BLEEP" OFF, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF DON NELSON AND WHAT HE DOES, HE HAS MADE THIS TEAM A JOKE, AND DON'T *BLEEP* BACK WITH THAT WEAK *BLEEP* THAT HE GOT US TO THE WESTERN FINALS LAST YEAR. THERE IS NOT ONE OTHER COACH IN THE NBA WHO WOULDN'T ALLOWED DIRK NOWITZKI TO GET ONLY TWO 2ND QTR. SHOT ATTEMPTS AFTER A 5-5 1ST, *BLEEP*, HE SHOULD OF HAD MORE THEN 5 IN THE *BLEEPING* FIRST. I *BLEEPING* WATCHED ME LANGUAGE TOO. DON'T AGREE WITH ME? *BLEEP* OFF, NELLIE JUST WASTED THREE HOURS OF MY LIFE

[OutletPass]

Originally posted By MightyMouse:

Anybody watch the game on TV? Why did Walker get ejected? Seriously, now....

-- After all of these man love posts about Toine, sometimes back to back to back; and all of your argumentative crap, it turns out that you don't even see the Mavs play. What a sweet and wonderful irony !!!!

[OutletPass]

Originallyt ANSWERED by MFF:

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Can Antawn Jamison play any defense?
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Nope. What you see is what you get with Jamison and defensive effort. OutletPass will tell you the same thing. Jamison can get you a lot of easy points around the basket, and is good for 8-9 rebounds, but that's where it stops. He will always be a liability on defense.


MFF is totally correct....Jamison, if he starts, can give you 20/8 every night...over the course of the season...before you compar it to Walker, compare THAT to RAEF. If Raef was a 20/8 guy, everyone would go nuts. True fact; neither Raef or NVE could do that night in and night out.

So, if you want a better offensive team, then you have it. If you want a better defensive team, you don't. So what's new with the Mavs....??? Nobody has said that Walker or Jamison are "defensive stoppers" ...

For that, they'll have to sign the "Sock".