Would you trade Dirk for Oden? - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Knickfan · 05-23-2007, 06:14 PM

"It's always a good idea to trade a future hall of famer in his prime for a guy that hasn't proven a thing above the collegiate level... a very watered down colegiate level at that"

I wouldn't trade Dirk for Oden AT ALL, but whatever you think about the collegiate level, Oden is DAMN GOOD! He's going to be a damn good player but to trade Dirk for him, well personally, I think the idea is silly!

mary · 05-23-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

i've been all over this plan --> link.

That's entirely too convoluted.

Portland simply needs to trade Randolph and Roy for Kobe Bryant, and draft Oden.

Then in another four years, when Oden is good, Kobe can demand that he be traded away and the Mavs can swoop in and trade 34 year old Dirk for a dominant center.

Duh...

alexamenos · 05-23-2007, 06:56 PM

maybe Cuban can just buy the trailblazers and make them the mavs nbdl team.

Tokey41 · 05-23-2007, 10:47 PM

No.

Ask again in 5 years.

sike · 05-24-2007, 12:30 AM

Trade Greg Buckner for the #1 and Randolph

EricaLubarsky · 05-24-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Trade Greg Buckner for the #1 and Randolph

Add Roy to the picture and Im in.

V2M · 05-24-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Trade Greg Buckner for the #1 and Randolph

Don't think the salaries match... we may need to throw in Damp to make it work!

Quetzalcoatl · 05-24-2007, 06:21 AM

I would trade him. I know it's a gamble, but...

dude1394 · 05-24-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

I would trade him. I know it's a gamble, but...

Take away this mans gm credentials, quick!

RingTheBell · 05-24-2007, 03:15 PM

No way you trade imo, the best shooting forward in the NBA and an all star for a college player.

globemaster · 05-25-2007, 01:26 AM

I can't believe I'm saying this, but... Yes. Dirk Turns 30 next season and probably only has two or three years left in his prime. Oden will turn 20. Top notch big men are impossible to find.

Portland wouldn't make this trade.

GO MAVS!!!

Dor · 05-29-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by globemaster

I can't believe I'm saying this, but... Yes. Dirk Turns 30 next season and probably only has two or three years left in his prime. Oden will turn 20. Top notch big men are impossible to find.

Portland wouldn't make this trade.

GO MAVS!!!

Have to agree with you.
We have to realize Dirk is not the youngster we started with I' do this in a heartbeat even if it meant 1 year without a playoff berth.

Portland would never do it though.

Five-ofan · 05-29-2007, 05:07 PM

I havent read the thread but HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO. Oden is damp with better hands. Thats it. Dwight howard and its a legit argument but oden and its not even a thought.

jthig32 · 05-29-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I havent read the thread but HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO. Oden is damp with better hands. Thats it. Dwight howard and its a legit argument but oden and its not even a thought.

C'mon dude. After watching him play without the cast, and in the tourney, it's obvious that his defense will be lightyears ahead of Damps.

And that's worst case scenario.

alexamenos · 05-29-2007, 05:17 PM

gotta go with jthig on this one -- i haven't seen a center like oden since way back....

Knickfan · 05-29-2007, 05:32 PM

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I havent read the thread but HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO. Oden is damp with better hands. Thats it. Dwight howard and its a legit argument but oden and its not even a thought.

Uuuhhhmmm NO! I don't know if you all remember Damp coming out of college, going to the final four with Miss. St.? Well he wasn't EVEN CLOSE and I mean NO WHERE close to where Oden is as a Freshman! With that being said, I wouldn't trade him for Dirk but I would take him before Damp in A HEARTBEAT and I'm willing to bet you he puts up better numbers than Damp next year too!

jthig32 · 05-29-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

gotta go with jthig on this one -- i haven't seen a center like oden since way back....

Ok, that's not what I'm saying either. I don't think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

But clearly, he will at least be a dominant defensive center.

Five-ofan · 05-30-2007, 12:06 PM

He will be better than damp. THough i think many of you would be suprised just how good damp would be if he just had hands. That said physically hes a dampier clone plus the hands. I think hell be a 17-11-2.5 guy in his prime if he gets fed the ball. Thats not worth dirk. Durant is another story. there are exactly 2 things oden does better than durant, defend the post and block shots. durant does everything else better including score in the post.

Male30Dan · 05-30-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Oden is damp with better hands. Thats it.

You can be so damn stupid sometimes!

I love ya man, but you can just be so stupid!

alby · 05-30-2007, 01:05 PM

Oden is alot quicker than Damp. laterally and getting off the ground. As a big man, that makes a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE (see amare)

Five-ofan · 06-03-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Male26Dan

You can be so damn stupid sometimes!

I love ya man, but you can just be so stupid!

I seem to remember these same comments when i said barry zito was nowhere near worth what he would get paid.

dangirwin · 06-03-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I must be missing something. Greg Oden is 7 feet tall right?

Isn't Diop 7 feet tall? Isn't Dampier?
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Um, isn't Dirk?

Look, I don't want to trade for an unproven versus a hall of famer, and I don't want to take a step back. I'm seriously done with taking steps back.

We move forward, tinker a little bit, and go get our trophy next year.

d

Tokey41 · 06-03-2007, 09:10 PM

I don't agree with that assessment... Oden isn't Damp with better hands because Oden is still young and thus has loads of room to improve (it does take most great centers a few years to really become dominant hence why I said ask again in 5 years).

Those hands could produce 20+ points and 11+ rebounds a game easy and the defensive presence is ALREADY better. He's a little more athletic as well but thats just the age difference. Oden could become a lot like Bill Russell, to say he will be no better than Damp is definitely the worst possible scenario (meaning he wouldn't develop his game at all).

Male30Dan · 06-03-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I seem to remember these same comments when i said barry zito was nowhere near worth what he would get paid.

You have to overpay, but he has definitely underperformed. 20 wrongs but you damn sure remember your one right. Pathetic. I guarantee you are wrong again here.

Male30Dan · 06-03-2007, 09:12 PM

Just look at how many think you are ignorant in this thread 5-0... NO one with sense would agree with that crap. No one!

Five-ofan · 06-03-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Male26Dan

Just look at how many think you are ignorant in this thread 5-0... NO one with sense would agree with that crap. No one!

no one agreed with me about zito either. Again I realize its an unpopular notion about Oden. I actually think Portland is one of the very few teams i would honestly consider taking him over durant because i think him and aldridge could be the best defensive frontcourt in the nba in a few years but i still just dont see it.

As for people saying how he played in the tournament, i think you guys are confusing one game(the final) with how he played in the tourney. He was fairly average before that(though the block against tennessee was awesome) We shall see.

MavsX · 06-03-2007, 10:00 PM

i might trade dirk for oden, if portland throws in pictures of pole vault girl

Tokey41 · 06-03-2007, 10:23 PM

5-0 I know you said he will be better than Damp (I think he will put up similar defensive stat numbers as Damp in his rookie season + more scoring), but how big of a bust do you think he's going to be if he won't become THAT much better? You have a lot of faith in Dwight Howard but his offensive game seemingly needs a lot more work.

alby · 06-03-2007, 11:19 PM

Are you guys serious? Oden is ALOT more athletic than Dampier ever was. He gets off the ground very quick. Dampier has to take an extra step before he wants to elevate (watch the tape). Oden on the defensive side, reminds of David Robinson. Very quick laterally and vertically. His offensive game obviously needs work, but with the NBA, you can get away with alot more traveling violations on spin moves and reverse pivots in the post, he just needs a mentor.

Male30Dan · 06-04-2007, 08:06 AM

Let it go Alby... Pointless!

jthig32 · 06-04-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I seem to remember these same comments when i said barry zito was nowhere near worth what he would get paid.

Whoah, whoah. Wait just a minute here.

I distinctly remember you changing your mind in our argument on whether Zito was a top end pitcher. In fact you referenced you admitting you were wrong in several other threads.

Also, once we started talking actual dollars you did state that he would not live up to what he would get (as did I), but you did finally post this little gem:

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You know I was thinking about it more and I do want us to sign him now. I may not think hes worth the 17-18 mil he will get(and that is what it will take) but you know what, you play with the market you are in. The market right now is drastically overvalued.

You can see that here.

So, you might want to take it easy claiming that as the argument where you fought the masses and ended up right.

Male30Dan · 06-04-2007, 01:15 PM

Forgot that post! Touche thiggy!

Five-ofan · 06-05-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

5-0 I know you said he will be better than Damp (I think he will put up similar defensive stat numbers as Damp in his rookie season + more scoring), but how big of a bust do you think he's going to be if he won't become THAT much better? You have a lot of faith in Dwight Howard but his offensive game seemingly needs a lot more work.

what does oden have that dwight doesnt have offensively? For the mavs, oden would be the perfect player and would end up being what he is being hyped to be.

People also forget that damp when he was the focal point of his team was a 12-12-2.5 guy. Its not laughable to say that oden wont be signifigantly better than that.

And dan ive been wrong a hell of alot more than 20 times.

DevinFuture · 09-14-2007, 11:52 AM

Would you trade Dirk for Oden?

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Originally Posted by Purple&Gold

This debate is hypothetical.

but its very hard to say no what do you guys think?

Anyone want to rethink their answer to this question now? ...I'm just sayin'

Flacolaco · 09-14-2007, 12:09 PM

The subject of this thread, is just as out-of-your-mind crazy as it was on the day it was first defecated onto this message board.

ty · 09-14-2007, 01:07 PM

Except a trade now would mean...

Dirk for 2008-2009 Oden + One of next year's top 5 Draft Picks

=D

Underdog · 09-14-2007, 01:19 PM

dIRK FOR oDEN STR8 UP!

dIRK IS OLD AND OVERPAID - oDEN COULD PWN HIM 1-ON-1 AND oDEN IS THE PHUTURE!

pLUS, oDEN WON'T LOSE ANY GAMES THIS SEASON OR CHOKE IN THE PLAYOFFS!

I DON'T UNDERSTAND gERMAN N-E-WAY - DOWN WITH dIRK (MORE LIKE dORK - lol)!

ty · 09-14-2007, 01:47 PM

That looks like an E-Mail scam or virus.

EricaLubarsky · 09-15-2007, 06:43 AM

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Would you trade Dirk for Oden?

In a second. Dirk is injury-prone. He twists his ankle multple times a year.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 09-15-2007, 08:00 AM

I wouldn't trade Dirk for Oden. I would make sure Josh Howard AND Devin Harris were included with Dirk for Oden if I were the Mavs GM. Oden's just that good. Those other guys are injury risks.