2011 Western Conference Finals Poll: Mavs vs. Thunder

[#41]

Westbrook might be the second best Rose in the league.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Remember the last time Tyson Chandler went against a player similar to Perkins in the playoffs? *cough* Dampier *cough* Chandler completely dominated him, and Perkins is arguably less athletic than Damp on a bum knee. I like this match-up a lot.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm surprised at all the hand-wringing about Westbrook. I don't think he's that elite at all. He made second-team All NBA, but he's absolutely not the second-best PG in the league. He made the team because CP3 was injured for much of the year, and D-Will was the victim of two horrible teams and one franchise meltdown in Utah.

Actually D Will's shooting numbers was poor because of his wrist injury

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Remember the last time Tyson Chandler went against a player similar to Perkins in the playoffs? *cough* Dampier *cough* Chandler completely dominated him, and Perkins is arguably less athletic than Damp on a bum knee. I like this match-up a lot.

Chandler has a career FG Pct of 63.8 against OKC while Perkins has a career FG Pct of 56.4 against Dallas.

Looks to me as if Dallas has had a much easier time containing Perkins then OKC has had containing Chandler.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Chandler has a career FG Pct of 63.8 against OKC while Perkins has a career FG Pct of 56.4 against Dallas.

Looks to me as if Dallas has had a much easier time containing Perkins then OKC has had containing Chandler.

And all those Perkins games came with the Big 3 in BeanTown where he was left wide open under the hoop for dunks.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

And all those Perkins games came with the Big 3 in BeanTown where he was left wide open under the hoop for dunks.

Glad you mentioned that for some reason while typing that up I forgot Perkins was not traded to OKC until after we last played them.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Actually D Will's shooting numbers was poor because of his wrist injury

That may be true as well, but it doesn't change what I said. Dude was screwed by circumstance.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Glad you mentioned that for some reason while typing that up I forgot Perkins was not traded to OKC until after we last played them.

My guess without too much practice, he's probably fumbled a couple of dump offs for dunks, and put up a few rushed shots in his time with OK City.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

My guess without too much practice, he's probably fumbled a couple of dump offs for dunks, and put up a few rushed shots in his time with OK City.

Agreed, it does take time to gel with a new team.

[bernardos70]

And Adrian "The Hater" Wojnarowski once again picked the Mavs to lose. In 5! Either he's pulling a Mary or he's a first class hater. I tend to believe he's the latter. Let's make him look like a fool again.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

And Adrian "The Hater" Wojnarowski once again picked the Mavs to lose. In 5! Either he's pulling a Mary or he's a first class hater. I tend to believe he's the latter. Let's make him look like a fool again.

So that guy has now picked Blazers in 4, Lakers in 5, and Thunder in 5, which means through three rounds, he's picked the Mavs to win two games in total.

"Hater" is probably apt.

[Raphiel]

I Pick MAv's in 6. if going to 7 its's hard for us.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

So that guy has now picked Blazers in 4, Lakers in 5, and Thunder in 5, which means through three rounds, he's picked the Mavs to win two games in total.

"Hater" is probably apt.

Wojnarowski picking against us makes me like our chances even more.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

And Adrian "The Hater" Wojnarowski once again picked the Mavs to lose. In 5! Either he's pulling a Mary or he's a first class hater. I tend to believe he's the latter. Let's make him look like a fool again.

I'm surprised the Harlequin romance novel writer had time to make a Mavs prediction. Seems to me that he spends 24/7 writing "LeBron is a big loser" columns while sitting in the dark masturbating and wearing his "We Are All Witnesses" t-shirt.

[ty]

OU sucks.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by ty

OU sucks.

Instead of Hook em Horns it should be Stomp em Mavs!

[dalger]

Still wondering why seemingly all sports websites are so into letting their "analysts" and "experts" pick the winners of every playoff series considering that it makes 90% of them look much less like either analysts or experts.

One would think they'd at least want to keep the facade shiny.

[ajk822]

Two related things
1: While from the numbers it appears that the Mavericks bench is only marginally better than OKC's, I think one key factor is WHEN that production comes. RC likes to play the bench well into the 4th quarter, which at first absolutely scared the crap out of me, but I now realize it's why we own crunch time. When the starters come back with 7 minutes left they all can exert maximum energy on every play, which helps immensely on defense and leads to easier baskets on the other end. It also allows Chandler to crash the boards a bit harder and leads to (at least by what I've seen) a few extra tip outs for extra possessions.

2: Comparing JJ to Maynor is interesting, but I think the debate on who runs the offense better depends on what that means exactly. From what I've seen, our offense when JJ is on the floor is essentially "run pick and roll, then either finish at the rim or create and kick" which he does perfectly. He's a difference maker, which I haven't seen out of Maynor. So who you would take all depends on what you want from your backup point guard. Personally, I'm taking JJ.

[Mavsfan4ever]

JJB is incredible on the pick and roll the only thing I fear from him on offense is when he decides to take a shot from behind the arc. For his career he is 35.5% from behind the 3PT line.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

According to what metric?

Westbrook is better than Kidd at everything except passing.

[Mavsfan4ever]

Had to turn off NBA tonight I can't take any more of the Mavericks bashing. OKC has to many weapons for us to combat? In what reality?

[deamon]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Westbrook is better than Kidd at everything except passing.

What? You need better glasses.
Kidd is better passer, blocker, stealer, has less turnovers, fouls and has better 3P%.

[OSU_MAV]

Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Had to turn off NBA tonight I can't take any more of the Mavericks bashing. OKC has to many weapons for us to combat? In what reality?

This is the type of stuff I've been hearing on a daily basis since the playoffs started. It's unbearable.

I'm taking Mavs in 5. Explanation simply being the Mavericks are a better basketball team.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by deamon

What? You need better glasses.
Kidd is better passer, blocker, stealer, has less turnovers, fouls and has better 3P%.

1. Westbrook had more blocks and steals than Kidd did during the regular season.
2. Yes, Kidd has less turnovers. But that, IMO, is included in passing.
3. Are you trying to imply that Kidd is a better defender than Westbrook because he commits less fouls?
4. Kidd shoots 34% and Westbrook shoots 33%. That difference is really huge - just completely blew me away...

[Lestat_1795]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

That difference is really huge - just completely blew me away...

end of discussion

[thunderfan]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Remember the last time Tyson Chandler went against a player similar to Perkins in the playoffs? *cough* Dampier *cough* Chandler completely dominated him, and Perkins is arguably less athletic than Damp on a bum knee. I like this match-up a lot.

This matchup has me wondering too. Two completely different players. I don't think Perkins has a chance in hell at scoring the ball. All Chandler has to do is put his arms straight up. Perkins can barely leave the floor. Perkins is obviously a lot bigger and stronger than Chandler, but I'm curious to see if Chandler's huge advantage in athleticism will trump that.

[JeffViggiano]

go mavsssssssss

kidd is a real PG,RW is a stupid player but an incredible athlete.

[deamon]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

1. Westbrook had more blocks and steals than Kidd did during the regular season.
2. Yes, Kidd has less turnovers. But that, IMO, is included in passing.
3. Are you trying to imply that Kidd is a better defender than Westbrook because he commits less fouls?
4. Kidd shoots 34% and Westbrook shoots 33%. That difference is really huge - just completely blew me away...

Again what? It's PO, forget about RS.
1.Westbrook 1.3 SPG 0.4 BPG, Kidd 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG
2.Yeah then I will say Kidd is much better passer, because this is big difference: Westbrook 4.5 TO, Kidd 2.5 TO.
3.Kidd is better defender in clutch.
4. Westbrook 32%, Kidd 36%.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by deamon

Again what? It's PO, forget about RS.
1.Westbrook 1.3 SPG 0.4 BPG, Kidd 1.6 SPG 0.5 BPG
2.Yeah then I will say Kidd is much better passer, because this is big difference: Westbrook 4.5 TO, Kidd 2.5 TO.
3.Kidd is better defender in clutch.
4. Westbrook 32%, Kidd 36%.

Playoffs are too small sample size to be considered significant. Kidd has played 10 games while Westbrook has played just 12.

However, if you insist on this playoffs thing, can I include last year? Then Westbrook is 34% and Kidd is also 34% in shooting 3s. Again, no difference there.

[deamon]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Playoffs are too small sample size to be considered significant. Kidd has played 10 games while Westbrook has played just 12.

However, if you insist on this playoffs thing, can I include last year? Then Westbrook is 34% and Kidd is also 34% in shooting 3s. Again, no difference there.

WHAT?
In 09-10 Kidd was 42.5 % in 3P%. Westbrook 22.1%.

[Mavericks Rockets Fan]

Originally Posted by deamon

WHAT?
In 09-10 Kidd was 42.5 % in 3P%. Westbrook 22.1%.

Read my post again. I am talking about the playoffs. Do I really need to break this down for you?

Westbrook
09-10 5-12
10-11 12-38
Total 17-50 (.340)

Kidd
09-10 9-28
10-11 22-62
Total 31-90 (.344)

[deamon]

Ok we will see in this series. Go Kidd!

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

And Maynor is clearly the better backup PG as well.

Clearly...

Maynor - 0 points (0-1), 2 assists, 2 rebounds in 10 minutes.
Barea- 21 points (8-12), 1 assist, 3 rebounds in 16 minutes.


(no worries, I still love your graphs!)

[chumdawg]

To the victors go the bragging spoils:

#41, 41mvp, alexamenos, Alykhan04, beatLA, bobbyfg7, Cabbage, captred, CATCH-17, chumdawg, Darke, Day1MavsFan, dayman, df_helgor, digit, Dim499, Dirkgreatness, Eman, Five-ofan, Funkman, ghazi, JeffViggiano, joemoeschmoe, jojo, kenny_817, kg_veteran, Kirobaito, Lestat_1795, Lor20, mavs777, mavsfanforever, mpb319, nashtymavsfan13, nowhereman, OSU_MAV, PAF, peppersquad, rabbitproof, rmacomic, roadrunner, robz, Romus, sbibi, Scott McGuire, Shiraste, stoble, tdn, thurst0509, twelli, valek500, vinylstar, Zki41

What the hell? Romus is still visiting but not posting?

[sefant77]

Blazers in 4 - check
Lakers in 4- check
Thunder in 4 - check

Im doing the Adrian Warjonski and its working.

Heat in 4