04-20-2011, 06:27 AM
|
#1561
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,209
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkules41
I would say its rather because he is from Europe. Other white player like Nash, Love or Bird get respect.
|
Yep, didn't see that at first. The two things combined, really. I remember Shaq calling tainted Nash's two MVP award, so it happens, but yeah, being a european is really adds to that misconception. In America, there is definitely a negative bias against european players, lot of people thinks that every european player is soft, and flops.
Last edited by Budapest Maverick; 04-20-2011 at 06:28 AM.
|
|
|
04-20-2011, 09:11 AM
|
#1562
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 167
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick
Yep, didn't see that at first. The two things combined, really. I remember Shaq calling tainted Nash's two MVP award, so it happens, but yeah, being a european is really adds to that misconception. In America, there is definitely a negative bias against european players, lot of people thinks that every european player is soft, and flops.
|
This^.
Also I think it's the fact that he has revolutionized the game. People often don't give a lot of respect to the innovator, but in 10 years when there are a few more Nicolas Batum's roaming around the court Dirk will get more respect.
|
|
|
04-20-2011, 10:51 AM
|
#1563
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
24th place-- 120 pts to Ewing
23rd place-- 127 to Parish
22nd place-- 140 to Barkley
21st place-- 216 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 270 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 279 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 329 to James Worthy
17th place-- 395 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 423 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 489 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 914 to Wilt Chamberlain
Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 04-20-2011 at 12:40 PM.
|
|
|
04-20-2011, 12:33 PM
|
#1564
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
15 more games at 30 a pop.. where will 450 points get him? I'm sure they'll drop one game along the way.
|
|
|
04-20-2011, 12:45 PM
|
#1565
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murphy3
15 more games at 30 a pop.. where will 450 points get him? I'm sure they'll drop one game along the way.
|
450 would put him between Johnson and McHale at 16th place. I just hope we continue to see a potent playoff team for the next few years. With a few more years we could see top 10 all time for Dirk.
24th place-- 120 pts to Ewing
23rd place-- 127 to Parish
22nd place-- 140 to Barkley
21st place-- 216 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 270 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 279 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 329 to James Worthy
17th place-- 395 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 423 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 489 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 914 to Wilt Chamberlain
|
|
|
04-22-2011, 12:51 AM
|
#1566
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
24th place-- 95 pts to Ewing
23rd place-- 102 to Parish
22nd place-- 115 to Barkley
21st place-- 191 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 245 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 254 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 304 to James Worthy
17th place-- 370 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 398 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 464 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 889 to Wilt Chamberlain[/QUOTE]
|
|
|
04-22-2011, 01:16 AM
|
#1567
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 7
|
|
|
|
04-27-2011, 01:06 PM
|
#1568
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
24th place-- 50 pts to Ewing
23rd place-- 57 to Parish
22nd place-- 115 to Barkley
21st place-- 146 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 200 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 209 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 304 to James Worthy
17th place-- 325 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 353 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 419 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 844 to Wilt Chamberlain[/quote]
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 01:22 AM
|
#1569
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
24th place-- 17 pts to Ewing
23rd place-- 24 to Parish
22nd place-- 82 to Barkley
21st place-- 113 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 167 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 176 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 271 to James Worthy
17th place-- 292 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 320 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 386 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 811 to Wilt Chamberlain
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 04:27 AM
|
#1570
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 855
|
He was fucking filthy tonight against Portland. 11 for 15 at one point. It was interesting how he decided against going to the basket every time like he did in the last game...and just sank filthy, nasty fadeaways again and again and again.
This was the game I was looking for from him all series....well done.
MOAR!
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 09:30 AM
|
#1571
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 6,655
|
Elimination games are always tough.... Dirk had to bring it tonight to close out the Blazers. And BY GOD, did he ever being it in game 6.
__________________
Let's go Mavs!
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 09:48 AM
|
#1572
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
But there's nothing better than elimination game Dirk.
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 09:55 AM
|
#1573
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 6,655
|
You ain't neva lied, Murph.
__________________
Let's go Mavs!
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 11:19 AM
|
#1574
|
Member
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 288
|
I get so pumped to see Dirk showing up big in the playoffs... especially on the road. I'd say it is easily the most enjoyable/entertaining part of my sports fandom experiences. Nothing except the Rangers beating the Yankees in last year's ALCS comes close to Playoff Dirk. From the Utah series in 2001 to this postseason... I love watching Dirk play basketball.
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 12:08 PM
|
#1575
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2,012
|
Dirk has never had the chance to close out a team and failed to win the series. The Mavs only failed once (Game 7 of the '88 WCF).
__________________
Last edited by Kirobaito; 04-29-2011 at 12:15 PM.
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 12:12 PM
|
#1576
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 17,873
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
Only once in the history of the Mavericks (never in the Dirk era) have they been presented with an opportunity to close out a playoff series and failed to win that series.
Game 7 of the '88 WCF being that game.
|
Although at least once it took them three tries (SA '06).
__________________
John Madden on Former NFL Running Back Leroy Hoard: "You want one yard, he'll get you three. You want five yards, he'll get you three."
"Your'e a low-mentality drama gay queen!!" -- She_Growls
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 12:18 PM
|
#1577
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2,012
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Although at least once it took them three tries (SA '06).
|
4 times in the '03 first round.
Point still stands, though.
__________________
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 12:21 PM
|
#1578
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 17,873
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
4 times in the '03 first round.
Point still stands, though.
|
Good call.
So basically the rule is....if the Mavs win three games, they win the fourth one (except in '88).
__________________
John Madden on Former NFL Running Back Leroy Hoard: "You want one yard, he'll get you three. You want five yards, he'll get you three."
"Your'e a low-mentality drama gay queen!!" -- She_Growls
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 12:45 PM
|
#1579
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: BRAZIL
Posts: 3,760
|
__________________
Quote:
Dirk Nowitzki is a monster of epic and unattainable proportion. Seriously, he must be stopped.
|
|
|
|
04-29-2011, 01:03 PM
|
#1580
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,002
|
Great game by Dirk in the close out, his shot really got going in the second after that lady woke him up
__________________
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 12:44 AM
|
#1581
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,997
|
Dirk passes Ewing and Robert Parish
Bill Russell - passed
Patrick Ewing - passed
Robert Parish - passed
22nd place-- 9 to Barkley
21st place-- 85 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 139 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 148 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 198 to James Worthy
17th place-- 264 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 292 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 358 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 783 to Wilt Chamberlain
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 12:53 AM
|
#1582
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Big D
Posts: 556
|
Dirk owns
__________________
A clear night in big D. Thousands of fans ready...anxiously awaiting his arrival.
The signal high in the Dallas sky calls for one person, and one person alone......... #41
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 01:01 AM
|
#1583
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Reeperbahn
Posts: 4,568
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Dirk passes Ewing and Robert Parish
Bill Russell - passed
Patrick Ewing - passed
Robert Parish - passed
22nd place-- 9 to Barkley
21st place-- 85 to Sam Jones
20th place-- 139 to Clyde Drexler
19th place-- 148 to Reggie Miller
18th place-- 198 to James Worthy
17th place-- 264 to Julius Erving
16th place-- 292 to Dennis Johnson
15th place-- 358 to Kevin McHale
14th place-- 783 to Wilt Chamberlain
|
__________________
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 08:03 AM
|
#1585
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Berlin / Germany
Posts: 765
|
Some board gems - Dirk getting respect everywhere today.
Quote:
Re: WC 2nd RD: #3 Dallas Mavericks (1) vs. #2 Los Angeles Lakers (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pioneer10 View Post
Quote:
Dirk is amazing. It too bad he got the soft label put on him because he is so tough to guard at the end of games. Bigger guys can't keep up with his footspeed and he uses shooting and dribbling skills to take them outside. Against smaller guys and he's so big that Odom is small compared to them he goes inside and he has the strength and balance to take the hit and shoot over them.
|
Unfortunate how he has that choker label despite being a fourth-quarter assassin. Meanwhile, Pau Gasol has two rings and has a storied history of being a crunch-time boob.
Life ain't fair.
|
|
And then:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco de Mayo
Quote:
Unfortunate how he has that choker label despite being a fourth-quarter assassin. Meanwhile, Pau Gasol Kevin Garnett has one ring and has a storied history of being a crunch-time boob.
Life ain't fair.
|
Fixed.
|
__________________
True basketball fans -> Tube
Dallas Mavs Supporter, Berlin/Germany
Last edited by Zaknaf3in; 05-03-2011 at 08:04 AM.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 09:12 AM
|
#1586
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by CadBane
|
Holy crap.
Just look at that graph.
I'd be curious to know what a similar graph for other superstars looks like.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 10:33 AM
|
#1587
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
So....how should his statue in front of the AAC look?
One leg fadeaway?
Tongue out and pulling his shirt down?
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 11:37 AM
|
#1588
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 167
|
Has to be the one legged fadeaway. McFarlane must have known something when he made this a few years back.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 11:49 AM
|
#1589
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,511
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I'd be curious to know what a similar graph for other superstars looks like.
|
Pierce is close:
Pierce
Rest not so much:
Rose
Wade
LeBron
Kobe
Rondo
Stoudemire
Carmelo (DEN)
Carmelo (NYK)
Teammates must have played at least 48 minutes with the player to qualify.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 11:56 AM
|
#1590
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 6,655
|
Charles Barkley:
"Because Dirk...... he's as big as a center, he plays power forward, he shoots like a shooting guard, and he handles it like a point guard."
__________________
Let's go Mavs!
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 12:17 PM
|
#1591
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 309
|
From Bill Simmons' column today (he uses quotes from "The Wire" to characterize the playoffs so far):
Quote:
48. "I see you favor a .45."
49. "Tonight I do. And I keeps one in the chamber in case you ponderin'."
To Dirk Nowitzki, who reinvented himself over the years as a fiery competitor with the single most unstoppable move in basketball: his foul line post-up game that always seems to result in (A) him whirling around his defender and getting a layup, (B) him spinning around, sticking his elbows right in the defender's mug and launching a jumper that starts over Dirk's head, or (C), him fading away with an awkward-looking fade-away that has to rank alongside Hakeem's Dream Shake and McHale's mega-fallaway in the Shots That Seem Technically Impossible But Go In Anyway pantheon. Do you have any idea how that shot goes in? Me neither. I also have no idea how to stop that post-up game. Double him and he kicks to an open shooter. Single him and he scores. You can't win. Two more years at this level and Judge Simmons will begrudgingly have to start taking "Would you rather have nine transcendent years from Bird or 13 killer Nowitzki years plus the five after that when he reinvents himself as the greatest version of mid-1990s Sam Perkins ever?" arguments. Crap.
|
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 12:32 PM
|
#1592
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan
From Bill Simmons' column today (he uses quotes from "The Wire" to characterize the playoffs so far):
|
Um, I haven't even read this yet and I already know the entire article will be awesome.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 12:44 PM
|
#1593
|
Guru
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 15,401
|
Simmons too
Quote:
and J.J. Barea (a valuable backup for Dallas and someone who always seems to throw off opposing guards because they look at him and say, "Let's abandon our game plan, I absolutely HAVE to post that guy up!").
|
lol
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 05:02 PM
|
#1595
|
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 11,074
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan
|
Durant and Kobe over Dirk is a joke. Dirk had better overall years than both. Durant was close, but Dirk led the Mavs to a better record despite not playing with an all-star like Westbrook. Kobe's year wasn't near as good as either and has a superior cast.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 06:37 PM
|
#1596
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 100
|
Well DRose won't be winning the championship. Since Kevin Garnett won in 2004, if you win MVP you DON'T win the championship.
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 07:13 PM
|
#1597
|
Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Heidelberg
Posts: 476
|
I thought Dirk was going to get the fourth place behind Rose, Howard and Lebron. He definitely got screwed over a bit. No that it matters. We all know that if Dirk had not been injured, we would've gotten the #1 seed in the NBA and Dirk would've gotten his second MVP. Now if you imagine the possibilities with a healthy Butler... I'm looking at you, Bulls' 72-10 record!
__________________
|
|
|
05-03-2011, 09:01 PM
|
#1598
|
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 11,074
|
Dirk's DRR% in the playoffs is 25.3% (well ahead of KG, ZBo, Tyson, Horford, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Noah, Nene, K-Mart, etc. etc.)
So much for his rebounding being an issue.
Last edited by CadBane; 05-03-2011 at 09:02 PM.
|
|
|
05-04-2011, 06:37 AM
|
#1599
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,209
|
Surprise, surprise, Dirk is one of the best post defender amongst PF's in the league. Here are the points per shot against some of the best PF's in the game. Those are points per play, not points per possession. Those numbers are derived by video studies, all plays are reviewed and the credit to the players is given out on video analysis. That's not some boxscore analysis here, so we're talking about guys who watch the games, play by play. That's eliminate any possible skewed number, those are pure impact numbers.
Defensive PPP numbers from mysynergysports.com
Name - PPP (NBA rank)
Dirk Nowitzki - 0.82 (70)
Zach Randolph - 0.85 (117)
Amar'e Stoudemire - 0.96 (364)
Chris Bosh - 0.83 (83)
Kevin Love - 0.89 (214)
Pau Gasol - 0.88 (188)
Blake Griffin - 0.88 (188)
Lamarcus Aldridge - 0.86 (139)
Kevin Garnett - 0.82 (70)
Carlos Boozer - 0.88 (188)
Amazing, Dirk is actually up there with KG. Look at Amare's, and Boozer's number, just shows you that stat is indeed legit.
Additional to that here are the ridge regressed defensive APM numbers (no idea what that means though) but higher numbers means better, above 0 is above league average:
Dirk Nowitzki +2.6 (9)
Zach Randolph +0.5 (132)
Amar'e Stoudemire -2.4 (447)
Chris Bosh +2.2 (16)
Kevin Love -0.5 (341)
Pau Gasol +1.6 (46)
Blake Griffin +0.1 (206)
Lamarcus Aldridge +2.0 (30)
Kevin Garnett +3.9 (1)
Carlos Boozer -0.7 (357)
Dirk is only behind Garnett on this list. Dirk's post defense is severely underrated. The reason why he's not an elite defender, are rotating, pick&roll defense, and help defense, not his post defense, but post defense is much more important, especially now, when he always in with Chandler, or Haywood. Those two guys are made not only the Mavs' defense better, but helped Dirk so he doesn't have to play nearly much help defense, or pick&roll defense, and can concentrate on his man D, which he is very good at.
Last edited by Budapest Maverick; 05-04-2011 at 06:39 AM.
|
|
|
05-04-2011, 07:34 AM
|
#1600
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,511
|
APM = adjusted Plus/Minus
|
|
|
Tags
|
<clutch tagging>, 12-15 for 48 points, 3/25m - wow!, clutch nowitzki, clutchwitzki, dir30k, dirk, dirk = clutch...again, dirk goes to 11, dirk is my religion, dirk pwns ur face 4ever!!, dirk tea baggzz nba!!!!!, gay for dirk!!!, his clutchness, his hairness ?, playoff clutch, santa dirk, sir ghost face drillah, top-10 all time scorer, top-6 all time scorer |
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:32 PM.
|