Rodrigue Beaubois development thread

[DirkFTW]

Dear God please let Butler miraculously heal so this bickering can end!

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

I'm not saying your eyes are lying. It's entirely possible that JJ goes to the basket more in half court situations. That's offset by the fact that once or twice a game Roddy beats the defense down the floor for easy lay ups and at the and of the day he has more attempts per game at the rim. It's a classic case of don't tell me about the labor just show me the baby.

I brought up TS% because it takes FT's into account. Even with the FT discrepancy Roddy has a higher TS%. Granted, that doesn't account for the fact that drawing fouls helps your team get in the penalty faster. But it's not like JJ is Dwayne Wade. Getting to the line isn't a big part of his game, he just looks good compared to Roddy.

Fwiw. Roddy may have better at the rim stats, but their in the lane stats are pretty much identical. The "inside" stats for 82 games shows that there is a 1 percent difference in shot selection and a 7 thousandth difference in efg.

[dude1394]

My eyes are obviously lying because from what I see jib is regularly probing the defense and trying to get inside, roddy not so much.

I dont recall saying jib is Dwayne wade, only that he penetrates more than anyone on the team and is willing to take the hits to do so. And Carlisle can always count on him to do so.

Its one of the reasons why he will and should continue to get time.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Dear God please let Butler miraculously heal so this bickering can end!

amen.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by mavs777

False

Jet against the Lakers last 2 3/4 years cause that is how long they have been title contenders
9 Games: 19.7 PPG, 42 % FG(skewed by fact 40% of his shots have been threes against Lakers to put into comparisons sake 31% of his shots are threes this year), , 40.3 % from 3

hahahahahahahahaha

did you see the last game?
this is Terry in PO mode.

free roddy!

[Kante]

I get the feeling that it´s all going to fast for him, he seems like he is lost at times on the offensive end. A full season would have helped, for sure!

Don´t know if you continue with him or change something...

[JeffViggiano]

i think in PO we move deshawn starter at SG and play phisically.then if roddy/terry or JJ are on fire will play much minutes...if not the stay on the bench.

[She_Growls]

Mavs Need Roddy B. To Get Right Soon
By Tim MacMahon

OAKLAND, Calif. -- It was a little more than a year ago that Rodrigue Beaubois’ teammates chanted his name when he boarded the Mavericks’ bus at Oracle Arena.

“Roddy! Roddy! Roddy!” the Dallas vets hollered with delight after the rookie scored a ridiculously efficient 40 points, displaying his dazzling combination of a sweet long-distance stroke and dynamic athleticism.

The “Free Roddy B.” movement reached a fevered pitch after that spectacular performance. This kid clearly needed a prominent role. He had star potential. It was only a matter of how long it’d take Beaubois to blossom.

But there were no exclamation points or enthusiasm if “Roddy, Roddy, Roddy” was repeated during this visit to the Bay Area. Maybe it was muttered, followed by frustrated head shakes.

“I can’t tell you what it is,” Beaubois said quietly after Saturday’s loss to the Warriors, “but obviously I’m not playing so good right now.”

Roddy B.’s rise to the becoming the co-star Dirk Nowitzki so desperately needs has taken a rocky detour. And that’s an optimistic way to put it.

The plain and simple truth is that the Mavericks are better when Beaubois, who missed the first 54 games of the season with a broken left foot, is not on the floor. That’s why Beaubois played only nine minutes against the Warriors, watching all but two minutes of the second half, which he did not start.

An argument can be made that the Mavs would be better off if Beaubois returned to a fringe rotation role the rest of the season, used as a change-of-pace player in certain situations or against favorable matchups. There is no question that the mid-season addition of another undersized shooting guard has thrown a monkey wrench into the rotation – and Roddy hasn’t been able to find a rhythm -- so some believe it’s in the Mavs’ best interests if coach Rick Carlisle tried to recapture the early-season stability of using rugged role player DeShawn Stevenson as a dozen-minute-per-night starter.

I’m not in that camp for a couple of reasons. Beaubois’ development needs to continue to be a priority, so the Mavs must live with the guy’s growing pains. Of more immediate importance, the Mavs need Roddy B. to be an impact player to have a realistic chance of making a playoff run, an especially frightening thought considering some of his poorest performances have come in high-stakes games against the Lakers and Spurs.

Riding the Roddy B. roller coaster is a risk the Mavs must take.

There isn’t anybody else on the roster with Beaubois’ athleticism and ability to score all over the floor in “unpredictable” fashion, to borrow a term from Dirk. The Mavs need that threat to complement Nowitzki and prevent their halfcourt offense from bogging down to the stagnant, boring, low-scoring product we’ve seen so often in recent playoffs.

The problem is Roddy B. isn’t an efficient or effective offensive player right now, not to mention that he’s often a defensive liability who tends to get in foul trouble.

Beaubois has been plagued by poor decision-making, resulting in too many turnovers and tightly contested, flow-killing shots, such as the stepback 3-pointer he missed after an impromptu dribbling exhibition in Thursday’s loss to the Lakers. At other times, Beaubois lets hesitation creep in, playing as if he’s scared to make a mistake.

“It all comes down to the fine line between aggression and discretion,” said Rick Carlisle, who often conducts the one-on-one video sessions Beaubois has with a coach after every game. “I think we’ve also got to understand that this is a player that’s very young still and growing.”

Beaubois is still a relative rookie and has precious little basketball experience, not having picked up the game until his late teens in his native Guadaloupe. He’s in the early stages of a making a tremendous jump in competition while also dealing with a drastic culture change. We’re seeing why Carlisle so carefully picked his spots to play Beaubois last season. He looks like a lost, confused kid.

Asked about his confidence after Saturday night’s two-point, 1-of-5 shooting outing, Beaubois paused for a moment before unconvincingly saying that it was OK.

“Sometimes it’s hard as a young player,” said Nowitzki, who understands as well as anyone the difficult process of learning on the job after jumping from a lower-level European league to the NBA. “Everybody is on you and riding you. You’ve got to find your way through it and find ways to make the right decisions at the right times.

“He’ll be OK. I mean, he’s a competitor. Ultimately, he’ll be OK, but he’s got to keep working and get better on the fly.”

Unfortunately, patience isn’t a virtue the Mavs can afford this point. They need Roddy B. to figure it out real fast, for sure.

[clutch#41]

good article. its truthful. nothing really to argue here.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

hahahahahahahahaha

did you see the last game?
this is Terry in PO mode.

free roddy!

and what did roddy do?

[clutch#41]

Originally Posted by mavs777

and what did roddy do?

yeah im at the point to where we should free brewer. nothing else is really working.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by mavs777

and what did roddy do?

now why do you change the point?we are talking about Terry against lakers

anyway roddy didn't play well but not shit like terry.

[mavs777]

Roddy played worse than Jet, at least Jet made a couple nice passes. All of our guards are sucking right now

[fluid.forty.one]

FREE BRIAN C!

[dude1394]

Good article and needed to be said. Brewer is no answer at all. I'm of a mind to stick Peja back in the starting role, possibly dsteve and roll with it. Hope like hell that Peja can hold up.

[Budapest Maverick]

Really a good article.

"Riding the Roddy B. roller coaster is a risk the Mavs must take.

There isn’t anybody else on the roster with Beaubois’ athleticism and ability to score all over the floor in “unpredictable” fashion, to borrow a term from Dirk. The Mavs need that threat to complement Nowitzki and prevent their halfcourt offense from bogging down to the stagnant, boring, low-scoring product we’ve seen so often in recent playoffs."

Spot on. We need the kid to figure it out real fast.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Roddy played worse than Jet, at least Jet made a couple nice passes. All of our guards are sucking right now

2 nice passes in 28minutes are a good work...maybe he could makes 3 nice passes in 40minutes.

what a nosense man!i would say "at least roddy grabbed 4rebounds"!

jet played worse than all others.

[dude1394]

if he were looking like he was progressing then I can see continuing to ride him, but he's digressing. Sooner or later you have to sell a dog stock.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Coming back with little experience and only 25+ games left was always going to be a tough hill. I really don't believe micro-managing him at this point is going to be effective. He seems at his best when unleashed in an unpredictable role....and probably in the second unit.

[JayR]

free dominique jones haha

[JHT]

>>>The problem is Roddy B. isn’t an efficient or effective offensive player right now, not to mention that he’s often a defensive liability who tends to get in foul trouble.

Actually that is the problem. I think the Mavs would be able to live with his defense if he was aggressive and effective on offense. But he isn't. He just stands around the perimeter jacking up threes, or on the rare occasion he does try to do anything else just turns over the ball.

This is a completely different player than the one we saw last year.

Terry is better at the rim than Roddy right now, and that's unacceptable.

Get Roddy's offense right and I think the rest will fall into place.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by dude1394

if he were looking like he was progressing then I can see continuing to ride him, but he's digressing. Sooner or later you have to sell a dog stock.

Sorry, but i don't buy that. You're always talking about him like he's an old player who can't improve. He just turned 23, and came back from an injury. Also, who are gonna get his minutes that will make us better? Stevenson? He played 16 minutes last night, significant minutes after a while, and did awful, providing nothing to the team.

[mavs777]

got his left ankle taped up

[JHT]

Roddy actually had something tonight for the first time in a long time... and not just in garbage time.

For some reason, playing with a lot of fouls actually seemed to help him. He played smarter.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by JHT

Roddy actually had something tonight for the first time in a long time... and not just in garbage time.

For some reason, playing with a lot of fouls actually seemed to help him. He played smarter.

He certainly didn't play very smart to pick up the fouls in the first place.

I think you're really reaching to find positives about Roddy tonight. I suppose he was better than the low bar he has set for himself recently, but that's not real encouraging to me. They made a concerted effort to get him more involved in the offense, and he delivered absolutely nothing for the first 44 minutes.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Sorry, but i don't buy that. You're always talking about him like he's an old player who can't improve. He just turned 23, and came back from an injury. Also, who are gonna get his minutes that will make us better? Stevenson? He played 16 minutes last night, significant minutes after a while, and did awful, providing nothing to the team.

At this point selling him is getting him off the court. One thing Stevenson always brings is defense, the same cannot be said of roddy right now. Right now you are getting nothing on both sides of the ball.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Sorry, but i don't buy that. You're always talking about him like he's an old player who can't improve. He just turned 23, and came back from an injury. Also, who are gonna get his minutes that will make us better? Stevenson? He played 16 minutes last night, significant minutes after a while, and did awful, providing nothing to the team.

If it would have taken roddy to get prince, crash, iggy or a top line starter I would have done it. IMO he's a great big flyer bet. The summer league and his tiny body had made up my mind. He's looks to be more because folks all want him to be more. I don't think he is.

At this rate he'll take years to figure it out, unless he just jacks up threes.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I think you're really reaching to find positives about Roddy tonight. I suppose he was better than the low bar he has set for himself recently, but that's not real encouraging to me. They made a concerted effort to get him more involved in the offense, and he delivered absolutely nothing for the first 44 minutes.

I think you're confusing him with Jason Terry.

Seriously, nothing you just said in any way reflects anything that happened in the game.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by JHT

I think you're confusing him with Jason Terry.

Seriously, nothing you just said in any way reflects anything that happened in the game.

2-8 9 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 3 fouls in 21 competitive minutes

this is good?

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by mavs777

2-8 9 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 3 fouls in 21 competitive minutes

this is good?

no man,he is shit.selling him right now!
your hate versus roddy is incredible,maybe you could call a doctor to help you.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by dude1394

If it would have taken roddy to get prince, crash, iggy or a top line starter I would have done it. IMO he's a great big flyer bet. The summer league and his tiny body had made up my mind. He's looks to be more because folks all want him to be more. I don't think he is.

At this rate he'll take years to figure it out, unless he just jacks up threes.

BS. Roddy has elite athleticism, and elite physical tools, with an incredible length. "At this rate"... What are you talking about? How would you know that? He played 79 games in the NBA, an incredible 14 minutes per game, coming back from a 6 months injury, how would anybody know what the kid can, or can't be, especially you. You really are just a hater, and no, i'm not talking about everybody who writes any bad thing about Roddy. I'm talking about you. The kid has obvious flaws, but you're ridiculous when i comes to him. I'm pretty sure Dirk and Kidd has a little bigger chance to be right than you.

P.S: Igoudala was not on the trading block, just enough with this.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

BS. Roddy has elite athleticism, and elite physical tools, with an incredible length. "At this rate"... What are you talking about? How would you know that? He played 79 games in the NBA, an incredible 14 minutes per game, coming back from a 6 months injury, how would anybody know what the kid can, or can't be, especially you. You really are just a hater, and no, i'm not talking about everybody who writes any bad thing about Roddy. I'm talking about you. The kid has obvious flaws, but you're ridiculous when i comes to him. I'm pretty sure Dirk and Kidd has a little bigger chance to be right than you.

P.S: Igoudala was not on the trading block, just enough with this.

Okay then...I guess I'm just a hater...but I'm not. I've watched every single minute he has played. All summer league games, all other games. I just do not believe in his potential nearly as much as yourself ( or dirk or jkiddo or obviously cuban/donnie). Time will tell.

Again with everything roddy ( I hope I'm wrong ) but I don't think I am. And if I'd been running the team if he would have gotten me any of those players I would probably have done it.

[Fragism]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Again with everything roddy ( I hope I'm wrong ) but I don't think I am.

I may be wrong (but I doubt it)

[wilmtalk]

Originally Posted by dude1394

If it would have taken roddy to get prince, crash, iggy or a top line starter I would have done it. IMO he's a great big flyer bet. The summer league and his tiny body had made up my mind. He's looks to be more because folks all want him to be more. I don't think he is.

At this rate he'll take years to figure it out, unless he just jacks up threes.

So because these trades didn't happen it pissed you off and you spend your time trying to justify that Roddy sucks and those trades should have been made. Whats this talk about selling him to get him off the floor. Do you people even have an idea what month this is. The trading deadline is over. You have no clue as to the players available and what they would have cost. People with your level of comprehension should stick to Fantesy trades they are relativly simplistic and the numbers translate right across the board. And the best part is everyone is available and you get to create any deal you want. But people in case you don't know already they are not for real.

You say he looks to be more because people want him to be more. Perhaps to you he looks to be less because you want him to be less. You don't like his tiny body well it matches your tiny frame of reference and you narrow box like perspective. All you people who want to break the bank to aquire an over priced superstar need to refer to what happened with Denver and the Knicks. Who improved? And anything less than a superstar wouldn't make a difference for this year anyway.

So the summer league and his tiny body convinced you hah. the summer league convinced many the Jones would be an immediate star. Were you one of those? Talk about pre-judging a player based on a development league. This has been beat to death like a dead horse on another Thread and it doesn't pay to bring it up again. But you are say that your mind was made up a year and a half ago which was long before he even played any games last season. Don't realize that you are only validating that it is you who are the one who has made a predetermined judgement. So what you are accusing others of doing is what you are in fact doing yourself. You decided the summer before what kind of player he was so now you continue to see him in that same light in order to validate that preconcieved perception. So you see him as less because you want him to be less.

To those that are not Roddy haters. It has been mentioned that Roddy has appeared to regress from last year. It's probably because RC is spending time with him. He is a horrible developmental coach. The younger players he was trying to develop seemed to get worse under him last year also. He had that problem in Indiana and thats why he is no longer there. That is also why he feels more comfortable with veterans. If it were up to him he would not play Roddy at all. Oh by the way I made up my mind about RC in this regard two years ago also. I didn't like his small mind and his inability to adapt and adjust. I don't think his frail brain could survive the rigors of an NBA season.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by Fragism

I may be wrong (but I doubt it)

lolz

MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS!

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/02/charl...tunes-himself/

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by JHT

I think you're confusing him with Jason Terry.

Seriously, nothing you just said in any way reflects anything that happened in the game.

Why are you making this a Roddy/Terry discussion? Terry played worse than Roddy last night, no doubt. But no one came on here trying to claim that Jet had a good game, so I didn't see the point in addressing him.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on Roddy. I didn't see anything last night to feel better about before garbage time.

[DirkFTW]

Maybe this explains some of our recent play... get down a ton early so that more of the game is garbage time when our guys play so well. The trick is to time the surge so that garbage time ends with us taking a shot at the buzzer for the win. Too early, and our guys will revert back when the game is serious again. Too late and we come up short. It's all about maximizing garbage time efficiency.

[Underdog]

Roddy's BBIQ =

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Roddy's BBIQ =

BOO!! French Jesus does not approve.




"I don't like dis post, for sure."

[JeffViggiano]

of course me and other users have more red squares near the nick but Underdog who write much more nosense or stupid posts not.
this is very funny