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Since Atlanta skipped Dallas for the third pick, Dallas now owns the third pick in the second round 33rd overall.
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Small consolation.
We draft 5 and 34
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05-16-2018, 02:47 PM
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Since Atlanta skipped Dallas for the third pick, Dallas now owns the third pick in the second round 33rd overall.
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As opposed to what pick
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05-16-2018, 03:17 PM
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Future allstar at #34 confirmed
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05-16-2018, 03:45 PM
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As opposed to what pick
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I'm guessing 34? Got that info from Bobby Karalla. We're picking 5 and 33.
https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/sta...80830243672065
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05-16-2018, 04:39 PM
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Bobby K is about as "straight from the horse's mouth" as you can get.
5, 33, 54.
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05-16-2018, 05:37 PM
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The 7 footer from UNLV Brandon Mccoy might not be a bad pick at 33.
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05-16-2018, 05:38 PM
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Come on, I could show you any highlight video for or against any player in the draft.
Bamba just closes too close to the guard which he doesn't need to do with his length. That is actually easily remedied.
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05-16-2018, 05:41 PM
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The 7 footer from UNLV Brandon Mccoy might not be a bad pick at 33.
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Was thinking the same thing if we don't pick a center at #5... And if we do get one, there are a ton of skilled SGs around #33 (except no Grayson Allen murder-suicide please).
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05-16-2018, 05:47 PM
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It's kinda funny....tankathon has us taking Rawle Alkins at 33 and NBAdraft.net has us taking him at 54.
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05-16-2018, 05:49 PM
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It's kinda funny....tankathon has us taking Rawle Alkins at 33 and NBAdraft.net has us taking him at 54.
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Yeah, those two sites couldn't be more apart in their later rankings.
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05-16-2018, 06:01 PM
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@ZCunninghamNBA: Twitter is basically pitting the "Bamba is the next Hakeem" guy vs. the "Bamba is Hasheem Thabeet 2.0" guy and it's going as you'd expect.
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05-16-2018, 06:51 PM
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@ZCunninghamNBA: Twitter is basically pitting the "Bamba is the next Hakeem" guy vs. the "Bamba is Hasheem Thabeet 2.0" guy and it's going as you'd expect.
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Uh, if Bamba falls in-between those two opinions, then the Mavs are in for a treat.
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05-16-2018, 07:34 PM
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Uh, if Bamba falls in-between those two opinions, then the Mavs are in for a treat.
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I'd take a version of Nerlens that isn't a crazy, lazy pothead.
Then again, I'm not sure I'd use our first lottery pick in 15 years on that.
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05-16-2018, 08:21 PM
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Those high(low)lights are actually encouraging. I see quick feet. As UD pointed out, it can be corrected with coaching and technique. Also love that the users name is Gigantism!
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05-16-2018, 11:04 PM
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05-16-2018, 11:08 PM
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Short answer: yes
Long answer: F*** yes.
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05-16-2018, 11:14 PM
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How is it not the point if we draft 5th and he 100% isn’t the best player available?
Sounds like we disagree on our evaluation of Young— I personally don’t think you take him until at least 12 unless you are desperate for a PG. You obviously think he’s a top 5 player. I do not— I think at best he’s a top 12-15 prospect, meaning that at 5, there is absolutely no way he’s still the best player available at that draft position.
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My evaluation means shit. I don’t even watch college basketball. I just hope that they don’t make any decisions based on “we already have dsj”, and that they actually take a hard look at Trae and the other guard, because many other experts believe they are better than 12-15.
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05-16-2018, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Your first flaw was mentioning Shawn Bradley...
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Right. Bradley was able to manage 3-4 blocks a game when centers were monsters. Bamba looks to me like he will be bullied by the Embiids, Gasols, Nurkics, Jokics, Vucevics, Goberts, etc. of the league the way that Noel has. He doesn’t even look to have the hands or lateral quickness of Nerlens.
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05-17-2018, 08:09 AM
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Interesting to look up Karl-Anthony Towns averaged only 10 pts, 6.7 rebounds a game as a college freshman. It's a good example that one has to try and predict whether the physical tools will translate or not and not rely on pure numbers. It gives me greater hope for someone like JJJ and of course Bamba. And those two guys are much better defenders than Towns. And both of them absolutely have the physical tools IMO. Bamba needs to add weight, but his upper body looks find to me and can likely add more muscle.
This sum up quote front nbadraft.net should put peoples' minds at ease about Bamba especially...
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Overall: Bamba is truly an elite physical talent with a wingspan and standing reach that don't come along often ... He figures to be a capable rebounder and rim protector at the NBA level from day one. This alone gives him one of the highest floors in this draft, with an extremely high ceiling as well
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05-17-2018, 08:13 AM
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My biggest problem with the way the lottery turned out is that it doesn't make conversation about who we'll pick any easier... Obviously if you end up in the top-3, it's just a question of which player you add to the Ayton/Doncic mix. Pretty easy... But at #5, basically anyone except Ayton/Doncic could be sitting there, so there are a bunch of possibilities.
Assuming Ayton and Doncic go to the Suns and Kings, since both players make a ton of sense for either team:
Atlanta -- they need a rim protector in the worst way, so JJJ or Bamba would be a good fit here. I suppose they could pick Bagley if they value his scoring so much that they don't mind playing him at center next to John Collins for one of the worst defensive front courts in the league, but they could always address rim protection later... Also, Schroder is demanding a trade, so Trae Young could be the dark horse of the draft (there have been rumors that Atlanta might even trade down)... This is one of the trickier teams to figure out right now, and the one most likely to throw chaos into the draft. I think the safe/smart pick is JJJ, but I could see Young as well -- it really depends on what kind of package Schroder brings back in a trade.
Memphis -- do they start rebuilding, or do they go all-in on trying to get back to the playoffs with Gasol/Conley over the next couple years? Why not both? Marvin Bagley makes too much sense here, as Memphis scored the second-least PPG last season. He could give them a shot in the arm on offense, and can hide a bit on defense as he learns to improve that part of his game... If he's already off the board, then Jackson Jr. makes a lot of sense as a floor-stretcher, allowing Gasol to operate down low more, plus their front court defense would be ridiculous... The Grizzlies probably don't overthink this, likely removing Bagley from the board if he isn't already gone.
So Ayton and Doncic will be long gone by the time we pick, and the only way I see Bagley slipping to us is if Atlanta/Memphis go Trae/JJJ, so he's likely off the board as well... And if Atlanta doesn't pick Trae or Bamba, then JJJ is probably gone too... There's always a possibility that the Hawks trades down to get Trae, but it's likely that their trade parter is gunning for Bagley, which leaves Memphis taking JJJ.
So I'm fairly certain that Ayton/Doncic/Bagley/JJJ will be the top 4 picks in the draft, which means we'll probably be choosing between Porter, Bamba, and Bridges... But who knows? Porter could impress enough to move up the board, same with Bamba. The only player I feel 100% confident about being there at #5 is Mikal Bridges (and for good reason).
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05-17-2018, 08:49 AM
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I go back and forth on who i would take between Bamba and Porter. But if MPJ's medicals look fine and he looks healthy I just can't pass on him. As good as he looks in videos that's also while he was in pain. He didn't have this surgery when he should have, 2 years ago when the injury happened according to him. So he looked that good while playing with pain? I fully trust our medical staff. If they have no concern with him why would I? And if I go by BPA, that is MPJ imo. Bamba helps our whole defense so I'll be happy with him, or any of these guys really... but my personal preference right now is not to worry about something that might happen if our medical staff is comfortable with it. Truthfully speaking DSJ's injury concerned me(and play style for his long term) more than MPJ's and I still thought he was the 2nd best player if his medicals checked out. So unless MPJ looks like ass in his workouts or his medicals come back with concern I'm personally not passing on him if it were up to me(spoiler- it's not for some reason ).
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05-17-2018, 09:14 AM
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I'm on record as loving Bamba but am starting to come around on MPJ. That jumper is just so pure. Like Allan Houston, Ray Allen level pure. Effortless. He could easily go to ATL or Memphis though.
Seriously too bad we couldn't stick at 3 and have our choice.
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05-17-2018, 09:34 AM
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LOL, looks like Doncic isn't too thrilled about the idea of playing for Phoenix or Sacramento...
Luka Doncic Is ‘Not Sure’ If He’ll Come Over To The NBA Next Season
https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-donc...rid-come-over/
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05-17-2018, 09:44 AM
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What exactly do we know for certain about MPJ's back issues? I mean, if you need surgery like he had, then I would find it hard to believe it isn't chronic. He had a microdiscectomy of his l3 and l4 disks. It's a successful and safe surgery from what I've read, but I seriously can't imagine anyone that young needing back surgery without it being chronic.
I just feel like back and feet issues are a huge death knell in the NBA. You can overcome them, sure, but will you be the same player you could have been without them? (Harris's career definitely derailed from his foot issues)
I know Bamba had a foot injury near the end of last season which is definitely something to look into as well. I think it was his toe.
Mavs always seem to deal with a myriad of injuries, and I just think it's too risky to rely on a bad back guy who NEEDS to be a superstar. He can't just be kinda good with a nagging injury issue because that, IMO, is a wasted pick.
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05-17-2018, 10:02 AM
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What exactly do we know for certain about MPJ's back issues? I mean, if you need surgery like he had, then I would find it hard to believe it isn't chronic. He had a microdiscectomy of his l3 and l4 disks. It's a successful and safe surgery from what I've read, but I seriously can't imagine anyone that young needing back surgery without it being chronic.
I just feel like back and feet issues are a huge death knell in the NBA. You can overcome them, sure, but will you be the same player you could have been without them? (Harris's career definitely derailed from his foot issues)
I know Bamba had a foot injury near the end of last season which is definitely something to look into as well. I think it was his toe.
Mavs always seem to deal with a myriad of injuries, and I just think it's too risky to rely on a bad back guy who NEEDS to be a superstar. He can't just be kinda good with a nagging injury issue because that, IMO, is a wasted pick.
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Ask Joel Embiid.
But I'm not a doctor, so I'll trust one of the best medical staffs in the league to make the right decision... IF they clear him, then I have zero concerns. Injury is a risk for any player at any time.
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05-17-2018, 10:04 AM
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Well, the Mavs rolled with their decision to let Parsons walk, even if he was after all this years their only big FA signing.
So they are not afraid to do a hard decision. If Porter kills the workouts but his back has huge red flags, they wont take him. Even if they may look like idiots for a few years (until Porter is a walking DNP).
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05-17-2018, 10:12 AM
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At least at Draft night i finally decided to unfollow MavsMoneyball on Twitter...they reached a new level of annoying crybabyness
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05-17-2018, 10:44 AM
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I think we can safely assume Ayton, Doncic, and Bagley will be gone by the time we pick. It will be down to Jackson Jr., Bamba, MPJ, and Bridges.
To me, I've come around on the idea that this team needs a scoring threat with a huge ceiling just as much as they need a big rebounding and defensive presence in the middle. Bridges would be so nice to have, but I think this high in the draft, you swing for the fences with the upside.
Tough call here, as MPJ would be a no-brainer, and likely not on the board at 5, should he be fully healthy. Teams now have to weigh the risk of if he can remain healthy, because that's his only real question at this point. The kid is a pure scorer in the mold of KD, and could shore up some rebounding woes, too. Defensively, we would still need help from FA or another draft, but it is exciting to be able to improve in one of those two areas.
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05-17-2018, 10:50 AM
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FWIW there's a clip from a couple years back of DSJ and MPJ going at it at a camp so at least they know each other and hopefully have at least a good relationship.
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05-17-2018, 11:00 AM
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I think this is him deflecting questions out of respect of his team still playing. These kids dream of the NBA and playing/challenging themselves at the highest level. NBA >>> Euro when it comes to testing that out.
He is a sure fire top-3 pick - I think it would be a mistake of him to not make the jump this season. However, I would never judge him as we don't know what makes everyone tick regarding these decisions.
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05-17-2018, 11:07 AM
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DraftExpressContent @DXContent:
Longest wingspans at the '18 #NBA combine
1. Mo Bamba (7'10)
2. Udoka Azubuike (7'7)
3. Jaren Jackson (7'5.25)
T-4. Isaac Haas / Austin Wiley (7'5)
6. Ray Spalding (7'4.75)
7. Wendell Carter (7'4.5)
8. Bruno Fernando (7'4.25)
9. Kevin Hervey (7'3.5)
10. Keita Bates-Diop (7'3.25)
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05-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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Depends on how the lotto balls shake out, but we could probably trade back a couple spots if we really want Bamba.
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I'm always intrigued by how seldom this seems to be done in the NBA, at the higher draft picks, compared to say the NFL.
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DraftExpressContent @DXContent:
Longest wingspans at the '18 #NBA combine
1. Mo Bamba (7'10)
2. Udoka Azubuike (7'7)
3. Jaren Jackson (7'5.25)
T-4. Isaac Haas / Austin Wiley (7'5)
6. Ray Spalding (7'4.75)
7. Wendell Carter (7'4.5)
8. Bruno Fernando (7'4.25)
9. Kevin Hervey (7'3.5)
10. Keita Bates-Diop (7'3.25)
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Pretty amazing that Bamba blocked second best wingspan Azubuike in his face. 7'10!!!!
Draft that shizzle!
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05-17-2018, 11:32 AM
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JJJ, Bamba, MPJ. Agonizing wait to see who we end up with.
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The interesting thing with drafting Porter: Where would the Mavs spend their FA money?
Swinging big and risky and throwing max at Cousins? (i think he is pissed with the Pelicans trying to lowball him with a short contract)
Overpaying Nurkic so the Blazers let him go to avoid luxury tax hell?
Molding a traditional PF like Favors (or Randle) into a modern center?
Getting another young Forward like Gordon, trying to copy Warriors (and Celtics) with throwing a bunch of versatile Forwards on the court?
DSJ
Wes
Barnes
Porter
Cousins/Nurkic/Favors/Gordon
A lot of choices and different angles...
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Since his outside shot has been a detractor, just providing a glimpse. Shot looks to have more arc and touch. If he can add this to his offensive game, even out to 15 feet or so...
https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/997147619435704322
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05-17-2018, 12:31 PM
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It would suck if Bamba rose up, but I could definitely see that happening. He is 7 ft .75 inches with shoes so basically 7'1. 6'11.25 without
Complete combine measurements. http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/
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I think this is him deflecting questions out of respect of his team still playing. These kids dream of the NBA and playing/challenging themselves at the highest level. NBA >>> Euro when it comes to testing that out.
He is a sure fire top-3 pick - I think it would be a mistake of him to not make the jump this season. However, I would never judge him as we don't know what makes everyone tick regarding these decisions.
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It sounds more like Doncic is trying to leverage a trade should Sacramento draft him, don't think he wants to watch his career bust in that crap franchise.
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I'm always intrigued by how seldom this seems to be done in the NBA, at the higher draft picks, compared to say the NFL.
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I think it's because there are a lot more players/needs in the NFL... Generally, NBA teams only have 1 or 2 picks, so every pick counts -- the price of trading up or down can be steep, so whiffing on a pick after giving up assets can be crippling.
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