Official Mavs 2020 Draft/Free Agency Thread - Page 41 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

rimrocker · 11-21-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

For some reason I thought Johnson was just a goon but after watching some videos Im impressed to see he can actually playmake and even create his own shot to some extent. As long as he brings the defense every night I think he will have a nice impact with the Mavs tbh

Yeah, this dude could have multiple roles.
I'm not sure I'd consider him a "goon", but Carlisle definitely has someone to go to when the game starts to get ugly and Mavs start getting bullied. I honestly think that was part of opposing teams' game plan at times (especially Clips in POs).
Now Rick has the "Equalizer" in JJ to hopefully eliminate that opposing strategy.

GQ2003 · 11-21-2020, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He’s no Lebrun but yeah he’s a super high IQ guy and can help with the playmaking and at the very least can keep the ball moving. I know that that was one of the hits on Powell in his early seasons. He got better but Powell in his first seasons would kill the flow offense. Johnson shouldn’t.

This guy is absolutely perfect for what we need and I don't understand why some folks feel he's "this year's Courtney Lee". The guy has great size, can handle, create, defend 1-5, shoot from deep and also play the role of enforcer. I'm honestly not sure what more mavs fans could want from a player. He checks every box. I know others would still like us to pull in a Millsap, Ibaka or Bogdanovic but I'm almost inclined to say lets just re-sign WCS and get on with the season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-21-2020, 12:37 PM

Bobby Portis signing with Milwaukee. That's a guy I would have liked here.

EricaLubarsky · 11-21-2020, 12:40 PM

Mavs contracts
1) KP
2) THJ
3) Johnson
4) Richardson
5) Powell
6) Kleber
7) Doncic
8) DFS
9) Boban
10) Brunson
11) Burke
12) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
13) Barea (brad says he’s returning)
---inactive---
14)
15)
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) T. Bey

other
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional
We still have about 6 mill of the MLE

rimrocker · 11-21-2020, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ2003

This guy is absolutely perfect for what we need and I don't understand why some folks feel he's "this year's Courtney Lee". The guy has great size, can handle, create, defend 1-5, shoot from deep and also play the role of enforcer. I'm honestly not sure what more mavs fans could want from a player. He checks every box. I know others would still like us to pull in a Millsap, Ibaka or Bogdanovic but I'm almost inclined to say lets just re-sign WCS and get on with the season.

Here is where I disagree.
A guy like Milsap or Ibaka keeps us as contenders if we lose KP or Powell for any length of time so it makes sense to save the 6mil for a guy like that if one of them become available. Either of those two would be great trade pieces as well during the season.

We were able to sign WCS for next to nothing in the middle of the season and there will be plenty that can give us close to what he can (if not more) available this season as well, so I completely understand the Mavs waiting on this one.
I don't see the Mavs using the MLE on WCS unless/until all other options are off the table.

rimrocker · 11-21-2020, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bobby Portis signing with Milwaukee. That's a guy I would have liked here.

Same here but JJ brings similar things.

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Keep that video saved.....

For the record I agree with everything you said. He's been solid throughout his career.

But here's why I said save the video

I hope I'm wrong but my gut feeling is in Dallas you won't even see him get a chance to handle the ball that way and two I bet he becomes just a stationary guy on the perimeter.

We can all clearly see he's capable of making plays but I'd bet money in Dallas that he won't have the freedom to play that style.

Im afraid you are correct. I hope he gets a little leeway on the second team though because he's capable.

kg_veteran · 11-21-2020, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs contracts
1) KP
2) THJ
3) Johnson
4) Richardson
5) Powell
6) Kleber
7) Doncic
8) DFS
9) Boban
10) Brunson
11) Burke
12) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
13) Barea (brad says he’s returning)
---inactive---
14)
15)
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) T. Bey

other
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional
We still have about 6 mill of the MLE

I don't see Freddy Gillespie on your list. Don't sleep on him.

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 12:48 PM

Barea returning? Dude, its past time.

rimrocker · 11-21-2020, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Barea returning? Dude, its past time.

Barea is one of my top 5 favorite Mavs of all time but yeah, it's time to move on from him.

Scoobay · 11-21-2020, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Here is where I disagree.
A guy like Milsap or Ibaka keeps us as contenders if we lose KP or Powell for any length of time so it makes sense to save the 6mil for a guy like that if one of them become available. Either of those two would be great trade pieces as well during the season.

We were able to sign WCS for next to nothing in the middle of the season and there will be plenty that can give us close to what he can (if not more) available this season as well, so I completely understand the Mavs waiting on this one.
I don't see the Mavs using the MLE on WCS unless/until all other options are off the table.

what would it take to get Ibaka and what resources do we have to bring him in?

i absolutely agree that we need at least one more quality big - for the inevitable injuries and also with the weird season schedule there will be some "load management" for sure.

EricaLubarsky · 11-21-2020, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I don't see Freddy Gillespie on your list. Don't sleep on him.

He got bumped, I believe. He was originally reported as a two-way but Tyler Bey and Hinton will be our two two-ways.

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 01:05 PM

someone on twitter really commented we continually got burnt by small guards last year, so we need to go get a small guard to match it. jfc

KillerLeft · 11-21-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He got bumped, I believe. He was originally reported as a two-way but Tyler Bey and Hinton will be our two two-ways.

Yeah, Dizzy Gillespie is still in the mix, but it might end up being just a camp invite, when said and done, especially if Bey does end up being a two-way.

They can bump Bey up to an actual roster spot after they wheel and deal, depending on how things go.

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 01:37 PM

holy shit Hayward just got 4/120 from Charlotte. I wouldnt give him 20m much less 30 million dollars wow

EricaLubarsky · 11-21-2020, 01:38 PM

I thought it was falsely reported as Ariza and corrected

EricaLubarsky · 11-21-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

someone on twitter really commented we continually got burnt by small guards last year, so we need to go get a small guard to match it. jfc

To be fair we did bet wrecked by guards

But also to be fair, we already have three small guards in Burke, Barea, and Brunson

We also got a guy in Richardson who is a bit of a specialist at guarding both guard spots

If you get wrecked by guards, it really means you need to work on your inside/help defense and that's my bigger question mark now.

BPo001 · 11-21-2020, 01:40 PM

Not sure if this was already posted..

Michael Grange: I’m told VanVleet’s 4yr/$85 deal (player option in yr 4) starts at $21.25 and then decreases by 8% in yr 2 (2021/22) before ramping up again. The drop going into summer of 2021 helps preserve Raptors cap space.

BPo001 · 11-21-2020, 01:40 PM

Not sure if this was already posted..

Michael Grange: I’m told VanVleet’s 4yr/$85 deal (player option in yr 4) starts at $21.25 and then decreases by 8% in yr 2 (2021/22) before ramping up again. The drop going into summer of 2021 helps preserve Raptors cap space.

BPo001 · 11-21-2020, 01:42 PM

Kris Dunn has agreed to sign a two-year, $10 million deal with the Atlanta Hawks.

Dallas41 · 11-21-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

someone on twitter really commented we continually got burnt by small guards last year, so we need to go get a small guard to match it. jfc

Richardson is capable of sliding over to defend small guards if needed.

He's been thrown on Trae Young and D.Lilliard often. In fact I thought he did a pretty good job on Young last year not so much on Lilliard but that's because once he gets into zone you simply aren't stopping him.

But he's definitely a improvement vs smaller guards than what they had last year.

Now DFS won't have as much pressure on him to defend by himself most nights.

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

holy shit Hayward just got 4/120 from Charlotte. I wouldnt give him 20m much less 30 million dollars wow

$20m was my number but I thought he'd get 25

Insane money

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

To be fair we did bet wrecked by guards

But also to be fair, we already have three small guards in Burke, Barea, and Brunson

We also got a guy in Richardson who is a bit of a specialist at guarding both guard spots

If you get wrecked by guards, it really means you need to work on your inside/help defense and that's my bigger question mark now.

yes but the assertion we need to prioritize a small guard to offset is laughable.

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

No disrespect but you can't really want that to happen.

This team needs another legit big.

We have 17 roster spots this year so why not sign a cheap player that Coach likes? In addition to another legit big. Lee would come in handy when the inevitable injury bug hits

Melonhead · 11-21-2020, 01:58 PM

Looking at James Johnson stats and wouldnt you know, one of his best games came against the Mavericks. 19/5/2blocks.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-21-2020, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

holy shit Hayward just got 4/120 from Charlotte. I wouldnt give him 20m much less 30 million dollars wow

That's insane. I'm all about spending money now, but that is ludicrous.

kentatm · 11-21-2020, 02:01 PM

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Free agent Jae Crowder has agreed to a three-year deal with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA
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Jae Crowder to Phoenix: three years, almost $30 million, AP is told.

Well shit.

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

We have 17 roster spots this year so why not sign a cheap player that Coach likes? In addition to another legit big. Lee would come in handy when the inevitable injury bug hits

Instead of JJ of course

EricaLubarsky · 11-21-2020, 02:10 PM

Why do we need Crowder on this roster? You drafted Green and you literally have more 6'6" guys than you have PT for

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 02:12 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
· 2h
Free agent guard Kris Dunn has agreed to a two-year, $10M deal with the Atlanta Hawks, sources tell ESPN. Player option on the second year.

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 02:13 PM

I liked Dunn but since we've made several moves for defenders he was unnecessary

MFFL · 11-21-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why do we need Crowder on this roster? You drafted Green and you literally have more 6'6" guys than you have PT for

My son was just complaining about us not signing Crowder

He's a nice player but he doesn't move the needle more than the guys we've already traded for

Dallas41 · 11-21-2020, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Looking at James Johnson stats and wouldnt you know, one of his best games came against the Mavericks. 19/5/2blocks.

That game is why they traded for him

Sounds familiar lol

KillerLeft · 11-21-2020, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why do we need Crowder on this roster? You drafted Green and you literally have more 6'6" guys than you have PT for

Yeah, I like Crowder a lot, but it's definitely worth pointing out that basically 100% of his success comes when playing the 4...seems like the people who want him will be the same ones complaining when Carlisle plays him at his natural position.

I would've been fine with bringing him in, but this is nothing to cry about.

kentatm · 11-21-2020, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why do we need Crowder on this roster? You drafted Green and you literally have more 6'6" guys than you have PT for

Green is going to be 20mpg max and has no idea how to defend all the various players he is going to go up against. It will take him a full season at minimum to start to figure out how he needs to go at each player in the league. Johnson will only ever play if there is an injury or foul trouble to the many players in front of him. Crowder is a legit enforcer who can defend multiple positions. Yeah, he'd make the team better had Dallas been able to get him. (and they did want him BTW)

Dallas41 · 11-21-2020, 02:18 PM

Crowder is a really good pickup for the Suns. I also like their pick of Smith out of Maryland. He can play at times alongside Ayton which is nice.

They will definitely be a playoff team this year.

kentatm · 11-21-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

My son was just complaining about us not signing Crowder

He's a nice player but he doesn't move the needle more than the guys we've already traded for

He is leagues better as a player than Johnson. It's not even close.

Dallas41 · 11-21-2020, 02:18 PM

Crowder is a really good pickup for the Suns. I also like their pick of Smith out of Maryland. He can play at times alongside Ayton which is nice.

They will definitely be a playoff team this year.

sefant77 · 11-21-2020, 02:25 PM

With all the guards there is zero place for JJ on this roster except as mascot/lockerroom guy

BPo001 · 11-21-2020, 02:26 PM

Shams Charania: Free agent Avery Bradley has agreed to a two-year, $11.6M deal with the Miami Heat, his agent Charles Briscoe tells @The Athletic @Stadium. – v