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DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2017, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not if Orlando takes Isaac first... I'd hate to trade for Rubio just to have Smith Jr sitting there at #7.

I suppose if the Minny was to take Collins/Lauri, Knicks Frank, then we'd get DSJ or Isaac anyway.

Wow, tomorrow may be great.

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not if Orlando takes Isaac first... I'd hate to trade for Rubio just to have Smith Jr sitting there at #7.

Not me. I'd take Dsj and be happy. It would be much worse to ge sitting at 9 with Dsj and frank off the board, and I missed out dumping Wes, and grabbing a point guard.

Melonhead · 06-21-2017, 07:14 PM

Cant. Stop. Refreshing. Twitter.

How much of that is someone putting the info out to pressure the other on the deal? Who backed out? If Mavs, then whoa...I dont think the talks are dead until the draft is over.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-21-2017, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Not me. I'd take Dsj and be happy. It would be much worse to ge sitting at 9 with Dsj and frank off the board, and I missed out dumping Wes, and grabbing a point guard.

This.

So much this.....

If there exists a deal where it's Rubio and 7 for Wes and 9 I have no idea why we didn't accept that before whatever drugs minny was on wore off. There is no way I thought it was possible to shed that contract without giving up something. And this would ensure either Isaac or Smith.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

This.

So much this.....

If there exists a deal where it's Rubio and 7 for Wes and 9 I have no idea why we didn't accept that before whatever drugs minny was on wore off. There is no way I thought it was possible to shed that contract without giving up something. And this would ensure either Isaac or Smith.

If Orlando takes Smith jr, then the Mavs still have a really good shot at Isaac. Same with Orlando taking Isaac and getting Smith jr. I agree about doing the trade, but it isn't completely insane to at least wait it out til draft night when you might get the player at 9 anyway.

The reality seems to be that the Mavs will be happy with any one of Frank, Isaac, or Smith jr.

sefant77 · 06-21-2017, 08:13 PM

Trading Wes would definately piss off Dirk

BPo001 · 06-21-2017, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

This.

So much this.....

If there exists a deal where it's Rubio and 7 for Wes and 9 I have no idea why we didn't accept that before whatever drugs minny was on wore off. There is no way I thought it was possible to shed that contract without giving up something. And this would ensure either Isaac or Smith.

I think the deal could still be done, but it depends who is available at the time. If Isaac is still there at 7 I think Dallas has to strongly consider it. If Isaac is gone by 7 trading for Rubio doesn't make much sense if we are drafting a PG in Smith or Nitilinka (sp?). Although, Frank can't be expected to be ready for 3-4 years.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-21-2017, 09:00 PM

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/877704398545268736
https://twitter.com/TheVertical/stat...91488129474560

Thank God we don't have Phil Jackson? If this happens how much does it change the draft in front of us I wonder. If Knicks end up with Josh Jackson that might put Markkanen back in play for Knicks at 8?

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Not me. I'd take Dsj and be happy. It would be much worse to ge sitting at 9 with Dsj and frank off the board, and I missed out dumping Wes, and grabbing a point guard.

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

This.

So much this.....

If there exists a deal where it's Rubio and 7 for Wes and 9 I have no idea why we didn't accept that before whatever drugs minny was on wore off. There is no way I thought it was possible to shed that contract without giving up something. And this would ensure either Isaac or Smith.

First of all, you don't "shed" the contract, you just shave off a few mil...

Rubio: 17-18 ($14.1m) / 18-19 ($14.8m)
Matthews: 17-18 ($17.8m) / 18-19 ($18.6m)

And Wes is a complimentary piece that isn't going to get in the way of our guard's development like Rubio will (well, until I Gillooly his kneecaps)... Personally, I like Wes as a player/leader better than a guy who has shot a career 37% from the field. Seriously, Rubio is the worst -- and you know Rick is going to play him if he has him.

Second, Minny just tipped their hand, so we know they're not taking a guard (and probably not anyone in the projected top-9)... Which means two of the following will be there at #9: DSJ, Monk or Frank.

So, yeah, moving up to #7 basically guarantees that we get DSJ, but adding Rubio to the roster basically guarantees that his development will be stunted. I'm glad the MBT passed.

EDIT: forgot about Isaac in this scenario, and I 100% agree with DHWS that we should at least wait until draft night to see where players actually go before making any sort of deal for the #7 spot. I mean, we'd only be leapfrogging one team -- and we don't know how things will unfold, so this move might not even be necessary to get the guy we want.

BPo001 · 06-21-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

First of all, you don't "shed" the contract, you just shave off a few mil...

Rubio: 17-18 ($14.1m) / 18-19 ($14.8m)
Matthews: 17-18 ($17.8m) / 18-19 ($18.6m)

And Wes is a complimentary piece that isn't going to get in the way of our guard's development like Rubio will (well, until I Gillooly his kneecaps)... Personally, I like Wes as a player/leader better than a guy who has shot a career 37% from the field. Seriously, Rubio is the worst -- and you know Rick is going to play him if he has him.

Second, Minny just tipped their hand, so we know they're not taking a guard (and probably not anyone in the projected top-9)... Which means two of the following will be there at #9: DSJ, Monk or Frank.

So, yeah, moving up to #7 basically guarantees that we get DSJ, but adding Rubio to the roster basically guarantees that his development will be stunted. I'm glad the MBT passed.

EDIT: forgot about Isaac in this scenario, and I 100% agree with DHWS that we should at least wait until draft night to see where players actually go before making any sort of deal for the #7 spot. I mean, we'd only be leapfrogging one team -- and we don't know how things will unfold, so this move might not even be necessary to get the guy we want.

What did they say that makes you think that? I haven't seen any quotes about what way they are leaning in the draft.

All I could find was:
Jon Krawczynski: If there’s any action for Wolves, expect it on draft night. Deadlines spur action and little ground gained in talks so far
2 hours ago – via Twitter APkrawczynski

Bryan_Wilson · 06-21-2017, 09:20 PM

Well it's not "shedding" but as much as I hate Rubio, I think you can move him to someone else for something later a hell of a lot easier than it would be to move Wes. Outside of the "report" of Mavs "batting away pitches for wes" this is the only time I've actually had a glimmer of hope that he could be moved without losing something. I've seen what Wes does in our system with the minimal talent around him and it's to the tune of 11.8 PER but making 17-18m a year. I just think if Rubio is remotely as "productive" as he was with Minny it's easier to trade a pg making 14-15m with a PER of 17 than a sg who let's be honest... we all joke he's a tank commander here in charge of giving us a high draft pick.

And the way the trades are happening this year there is no guarantee that trade exists tomorrow. Minny could trade for butler for all we know. And as far as playing time... I think we all know that RC is bringing that infamous 3 small guard lineup in full force next year regardless of draft choice. So to me Rubio wouldn't limit Smith's minutes, provided Smith was productive like Yogi and JJ, if Smith was the pick that is.

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

What did they say that makes you think that? I haven't seen any quotes about what way they are leaning in the draft.

All I could find was:
Jon Krawczynski: If there’s any action for Wolves, expect it on draft night. Deadlines spur action and little ground gained in talks so far
2 hours ago – via Twitter APkrawczynski

They don't have to SAY anything to say everything... If they wanted the guard of their choice, they'd stay ahead of NYK, who have clearly expressed interest in someone to initiate the triangle.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2017, 09:27 PM

If Orlando takes Smith jr, then I think the trade happens. If not, then I think the Mavs believe they can snag Smith jr at 9.

But Rubio/Isaac is a homerun offseason even if Rubio isn't ideal. I actually do think the Mavs want a pass first pg to help Barnes. I mean, your lineup would be Rubio/Curry/Isaac/Barnes/Dirk...or Rubio/Curry/Barnes/Dirk/Noel depending on matchups. That is a pretty good team that has a good mix of youth and vets.

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 09:42 PM

@fishsports

BREAKING: #Mavs call #Knicks to explore trade for #Porzingis .. full story coming to DallasBasketball.com

C'mon, man lol

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Well it's not "shedding" but as much as I hate Rubio, I think you can move him to someone else for something later a hell of a lot easier than it would be to move Wes. Outside of the "report" of Mavs "batting away pitches for wes" this is the only time I've actually had a glimmer of hope that he could be moved without losing something. I've seen what Wes does in our system with the minimal talent around him and it's to the tune of 11.8 PER but making 17-18m a year. I just think if Rubio is remotely as "productive" as he was with Minny it's easier to trade a pg making 14-15m with a PER of 17 than a sg who let's be honest... we all joke he's a tank commander here in charge of giving us a high draft pick.

Yeah, Wes shot a career-low 39% from the field with the Mavs, but Rubio is a 37% career shooter... He's just an awful basketball player when he isn't making highlight reel passes.

EricaLubarsky · 06-21-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, Wes shot a career-low 39% from the field with the Mavs, but Rubio is a 37% career shooter... He's just an awful basketball player when he isn't making highlight reel passes.

Missing layups? Seems like Rubio should have been a Mav long ago

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2017, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

@fishsports

BREAKING: #Mavs call #Knicks to explore trade for #Porzingis .. full story coming to DallasBasketball.com

C'mon, man lol

No way. We're going to end up with Collins at 9 and like it. Good grief.

Dtownsfinest · 06-21-2017, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Trading Wes would definately piss off Dirk

At this point......I don't even know why they'd even care what pisses Dirk off or not...he has 1 or 2 years left in this league.......

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 09:53 PM

I don't agree that Rubio is a terrible player. He had a really good second half of the season. If Rick likes him, I'm down.

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 09:54 PM

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I don't agree that Rubio is a terrible player. He had a really good second half of the season. If Rick likes him, I'm down.

Well, the Mavs said no, so it isn't even a conversation at this point...

hayth.james.g · 06-21-2017, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

@fishsports

BREAKING: #Mavs call #Knicks to explore trade for #Porzingis .. full story coming to DallasBasketball.com

C'mon, man lol

Offer them 9, next year 1st, and curry or yogi.

7 ft 2 inch 21 year old with insane wingspan. He would grow so much in Dallas. Offer whatever it takes.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-21-2017, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, Wes shot a career-low 39% from the field with the Mavs, but Rubio is a 37% career shooter... He's just an awful basketball player when he isn't making highlight reel passes.

I'm with u on that, I'm only taking him cuz I think I can flip him later. I just think we differ on thinking Rubio has value and Wes does not. I think if the Wolves called a pg needy team tomorrow they would get something in return for Rubio. I think if the Mavs got on the phone with the Pistons or Bucks or Bulls, or any team in need of shooting/vet/defense, they would ask us what we are giving them to take was off our hands.

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Offer them 9, next year 1st, and curry or yogi.

7 ft 2 inch 21 year old with insane wingspan. He would grow so much in Dallas. Offer whatever it takes.

I would give them Barnes.

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

I would give them Barnes.

Yeah, I was just about to say this deal probably doesn't happen without Barnes... Which, I think they're about equal players, but Porzingis is younger and comes much, much cheaper (same length of contract).

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, the Mavs said no, so it isn't even a conversation at this point...

They haven't said no until the draft is over. The Mavs have been linked to Rubio for awhile, so I doubt he is the sticking point. I also don't see Rubio cutting too hard into Dsj's minutes. You know Carlisle would play them on the floor together.

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, I was just about to say this deal probably doesn't happen without Barnes... Which, I think they're about equal players, but Porzingis is younger and comes much, much cheaper (same length of contract).

He also has an upside that Barnes probably doesn't. I'm not sure about how Noel would fit in after that, but then you could decide to spend on Curry or someone else instead.

AO41 · 06-21-2017, 10:30 PM

Rubio
Curry
??
Prozingas
Noel

Hmm sounds like a nice young team and Rubio would be perfect to set all these guys up and run the offense. The offense would def. have to be adjusted to let Rubio run it.

Dirk

tap2390 · 06-21-2017, 10:30 PM

KP talk is nonsense. Knicks don't move him unless Jackson is available at the pick they get. My guess is Jaylen Brown + #3 gets it done tomorrow.

Dtownsfinest · 06-21-2017, 10:30 PM

I wouldn't give them our draft pick or any draft pick for Porzingis. I'm not giving up draft picks when the Knicks said they want to trade him. Why would I help the Knicks out?

Dtownsfinest · 06-21-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Rubio
Curry
??
Prozingas
Noel

Hmm sounds like a nice young team and Rubio would be perfect to set all these guys up and run the offense. The offense would def. have to be adjusted to let Rubio run it.

Dirk

That lineup looks like a team that would once again miss out on the playoffs. Which may be what this team needs to do anyway.

rimrocker · 06-21-2017, 10:47 PM

I can see why the Mavs would reject that offer...Rubio simply isn't a good fit in our system.

I think we should just take Monk because he'd be a great fit, probably the best shooter in this draft, extremely athletic, and has great character and attitude.
Sounds almost like a JET clone to me with a little more upside.

FreshJive · 06-21-2017, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I wouldn't give them our draft pick or any draft pick for Porzingis. I'm not giving up draft picks when the Knicks said they want to trade him. Why would I help the Knicks out?

To get Porzingis? The Knicks are going to find takers. They don't need the Mavs help.

mac222b · 06-21-2017, 10:57 PM

Keep repeating this but no way we have what Knicks are looking for. Unless they have some irrational love for Barnes. Barnes our #9(or 7) AND next years 1st unprotected gives them pause. And they still may like Boston's offer better.

rimrocker · 06-21-2017, 11:07 PM

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Keep repeating this but no way we have what Knicks are looking for. Unless they have some irrational love for Barnes. Barnes our #9(or 7) AND next years 1st unprotected gives them pause. And they still may like Boston's offer better.

Yeah, this exactly!!!
NY wouldn't even begin to entertain the offer of Barnes/#9 knowing that Celts have several nice pieces to possibly offer.

I'm wondering if the Celts situation is part of the reason why several teams are beginning to dangle some of their key players (DJ, KP, etc...). Celts obviously won't be able to draft all of those players over the next few years so teams are probably licking their chops at those possibilities....especially knowing they have no chance in hell of competing with GSW.

SMC0007 · 06-21-2017, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If Orlando takes Smith jr, then I think the trade happens. If not, then I think the Mavs believe they can snag Smith jr at 9.

But Rubio/Isaac is a homerun offseason even if Rubio isn't ideal. I actually do think the Mavs want a pass first pg to help Barnes. I mean, your lineup would be Rubio/Curry/Isaac/Barnes/Dirk...or Rubio/Curry/Barnes/Dirk/Noel depending on matchups. That is a pretty good team that has a good mix of youth and vets.

Isaac wouldnt start. He definitely wouldn't bump the smaller guy Barnes to pf.. when Barnes has way more offensively to offer and isaac would prob excel at defense and boards.

I would love to get the discussion going of where Barnes more natural position for us shpuld be and why. It's great that he can play both and I get that we need to know what else we will be working with, but i think far too many just assume he has grown here and is now a pf, Regardless of where his minutes came last year with an often injured team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-21-2017, 11:13 PM

And of course Fish's "breaking news" article on the Kristaps rumor is paid for content. Figures.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-21-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Isaac wouldnt start. He definitely wouldn't bump the smaller guy Barnes to pf.. when Barnes has way more offensively to offer and isaac would prob excel at defense and boards.

I would love to get the discussion going of where Barnes more natural position for us shpuld be and why. It's great that he can play both and I get that we need to know what else we will be working with, but i think far too many just assume he has grown here and is now a pf, Regardless of where his minutes came last year with an often injured team.

I only assume he's a 4 because I thought more than once last year RC said Barnes best position is the 4 in modern nba.

rimrocker · 06-21-2017, 11:14 PM

Please no, please no, please no to Bledsoe.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...y-Eric-Bledsoe

God I hope we don't give up our pick for him.

Underdog · 06-21-2017, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

The Mavs have been linked to Rubio for awhile, so I doubt he is the sticking point.

Have they? I mean, I know Mavs fans talk about him whenever Minny annually puts him on the trading block, but the price has been relatively low for a while, yet we (and everyone else) still haven't bit... Maybe it's because the MBT isn't as interested in him as Fish is in getting hits during the offseason/trade deadline?

Dtownsfinest · 06-21-2017, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

To get Porzingis? The Knicks are going to find takers. They don't need the Mavs help.

That's fine. Let them find another sucker. Macs are in no position to give up draft picks for Porzingis....I know everyone falls in love with hiss are but in reality he's done nothing int his league and I'd be paying strictly for potential. And he probably will fulfill that potential but as of now I'd rather let another team overtrade for him than the Macs.