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Underdog · 12-19-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

That doesn't make sense..and if you honestly think Haywood is the answer to Aldridge, I smile.

Haywood kept pushing Aldridge out of his comfort zone and limited his offensive productivity far batter than Chandler did... Watch the series again - Chandler got tossed around on the defensive end and quickly got into foul trouble. Not that either one of them could stop a beast like Aldridge, but Haywood definitely seemed to have more success in slowing him down.

rabbitproof · 12-19-2011, 02:04 PM

Scratch Julian Wright.

Isn't James Posey on the market? Dude is 35 but he might be good for another season as a Matrix backup. Solid D, champ experience and an OK 3ball (35% career).

CadBane · 12-19-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Haywood kept pushing Aldridge out of his comfort zone and limited his offensive productivity far batter than Chandler did... Watch the series again - Chandler got tossed around on the defensive end and quickly got into foul trouble. Not that either one of them could stop a beast like Aldridge, but Haywood definitely seemed to have more success in slowing him down.

Yeah, Dirk & Wood actually guarded LA much much better than Tyson. Tyson had a really rough time with LA.

CadBane · 12-19-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Haywood did a good job of fouling Aldridge and giving him easy points

Your posts are really incorrect at least 75% of the time. It was Tyson who was in constant foul trouble on LA.

BGMaverick9 · 12-19-2011, 02:38 PM

I saw a handful of Williams' games in Frisco last year. When I saw him, he looked like a poor man's Chandler. He can really alter shots as the last line of defense. He can be a strong help defender, as well. He does have some lift-off capabilities for lob passes. The problem that I noticed is that he can be pushed around by a physical body. He's going to be prone to fouls, just a nature of his game.

I think he's low risk, but he's going to have some hiccups along the way.

CadBane · 12-19-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I saw a handful of Williams' games in Frisco last year. When I saw him, he looked like a poor man's Chandler. He can really alter shots as the last line of defense. He can be a strong help defender, as well. He does have some lift-off capabilities for lob passes. The problem that I noticed is that he can be pushed around by a physical body. He's going to be prone to fouls, just a nature of his game.

I think he's low risk, but he's going to have some hiccups along the way.

Yeah, sounds about right.

SMC0007 · 12-19-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Haywood kept pushing Aldridge out of his comfort zone and limited his offensive productivity far batter than Chandler did... Watch the series again - Chandler got tossed around on the defensive end and quickly got into foul trouble. Not that either one of them could stop a beast like Aldridge, but Haywood definitely seemed to have more success in slowing him down.

Eh I call anomaly. I prefer Chandler in 98% of all possible match ups over Haywood. Especially with regard to our team build.

AJ15 · 12-19-2011, 04:49 PM

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/12...-sean-williams

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Marc Stein reports that the Mavericks are finalizing the signing of Sean Williams. @WojYahooNBA tweeted about this possibility last night and we kept you up to date here.

So apparently the Mavericks found another Big-Man that they like. The athletic Williams will battle for minutes with Ian Mahinmi behind starting center Brendan Haywood. He finished 2nd in the DPOY-voting in the D-League last season and they hope he can fill voids left by Tyson Chandler. He'll play for the minimum because that's all the Mavs can offer, so it's a typical low-risk move by their front office.

According to the poll in this piece, where you were able to vote on the the Mavs possibilities in the center market, percentage-wise most of you wanted to stay put at that position, so feel free to post your sentiments on the new acquisition now. Strangely, nobody voted for Williams!? I guess I didn't dig deep enough into overseas territory to come up with that fella.

mavs777 · 12-19-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Your posts are really incorrect at least 75% of the time. It was Tyson who was in constant foul trouble on LA.

Haywood picked up a foul every 7 minutes, TC 8. To go along with this there were times when Haywood was on the floor and wasn't guarding aldridge. Maybe one day you can understand basketball; but I extremely doubt it.

CadBane · 12-19-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Haywood picked up a foul every 7 minutes, TC 8. To go along with this there were times when Haywood was on the floor and wasn't guarding aldridge. Maybe one day you can understand basketball; but I extremely doubt it.

That raw stat in and of itself means nothing. The foul rate WHILE GUARDING LA would be more germane. Maybe you should also check out LA's stats while Tyson was on the floor vs. while Wood was on the floor. Oh wait, you seriously suggested the Mavs should sign Ross...enough said.

Underdog · 12-19-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Eh I call anomaly. I prefer Chandler in 98% of all possible match ups over Haywood. Especially with regard to our team build.

Our team build has much better perimeter defense than last year, so Chandler's help defense shouldn't be as necessary... And Haywood is a solid man defender, so I expect that we'll see a lot less zone (aside from certain match-ups...)

I agree that Tyson is a better defender/player than Haywood, but I also think that adding Odom to the lineup mitigates a lot of Big Wood's deficiencies. Yeah, we're not going to be able to win the same way as last year, but we can definitely still repeat with Brendan Haywood playing center - there's more than one way to win a ring, ya know...

OneLove22 · 12-19-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Our team build has much better perimeter defense than last year, so Chandler's help defense shouldn't be as necessary... And Haywood is a solid man defender, so I expect that we'll see a lot less zone (aside from certain match-ups...)

I agree that Tyson is a better defender/player than Haywood, but I also think that adding Odom to the lineup mitigates a lot of Big Wood's deficiencies. Yeah, we're not going to be able to win the same way as last year, but we can definitely still repeat with Brendan Haywood playing center - there's more than one way to win a ring, ya know...

Boom.

Nailed it.

SMC0007 · 12-19-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Our team build has much better perimeter defense than last year, so Chandler's help defense shouldn't be as necessary... And Haywood is a solid man defender, so I expect that we'll see a lot less zone (aside from certain match-ups...)

I agree that Tyson is a better defender/player than Haywood, but I also think that adding Odom to the lineup mitigates a lot of Big Wood's deficiencies. Yeah, we're not going to be able to win the same way as last year, but we can definitely still repeat with Brendan Haywood playing center - there's more than one way to win a ring, ya know...

How is Odom going to lessen the effect of Haywood not being nearly as quick, athletic, or agile? Not having as solid hands(as T.C.); Defending the pick n roll; The nastiness or aggressiveness and attitude that no doubt meant so much to us; Free throws? If you mean that Odom mitigates a lot of Haywoods deficiencies because he could take a lot of his minutes then, maybe. I just don't see us being that efficient defensively without a designated defensive center on the floor. Dirk/Odom as the bigs is only gonna work in certain situations. True, there is more than one way to win but I can't really remember a team doing it without a damn strong defense and I don't think our perimeter defense is as much better than last year as you do.

monty55555 · 12-19-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I saw a handful of Williams' games in Frisco last year. When I saw him, he looked like a poor man's Chandler. He can really alter shots as the last line of defense. He can be a strong help defender, as well. He does have some lift-off capabilities for lob passes. The problem that I noticed is that he can be pushed around by a physical body. He's going to be prone to fouls, just a nature of his game.

I think he's low risk, but he's going to have some hiccups along the way.

I like the signing a lot. It's low risk, high reward for the Mavs. I think if there is anyone in the NBA who can keep him in check, it would be JKidd and Dirk. In his first year with JKidd, he was playing really well and some people thought he was a legit ROY candidate for a while. His IQ isn't really the best, but he's extremely athletic and he's a superb shot blocker.

Here are some of his highlights with JKidd and Vince Carter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH01Mesfoo

bobatundi · 12-19-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Eh I call anomaly. I prefer Chandler in 98% of all possible match ups over Haywood. Especially with regard to our team build.

Unfortunately that ship has sailed. Chandler will not be on the floor in 97% of the Mavs' games; in the other 3%, he'll be wearing the wrong laundry. So I'm choosing Haywood over Chandler 100% of the time this season.

Thomas86 · 12-19-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Haywood kept pushing Aldridge out of his comfort zone and limited his offensive productivity far batter than Chandler did... Watch the series again - Chandler got tossed around on the defensive end and quickly got into foul trouble. Not that either one of them could stop a beast like Aldridge, but Haywood definitely seemed to have more success in slowing him down.

Dirk also play better defense on Aldridge then what Chandler did.

LSMF · 12-19-2011, 07:39 PM

The whining over TC has to stop. I love him as much as the next guy but he's gone. Let's be happy that we won a championship, and we have a legit chance to win it all again this year. I have no doubt that if we can get this team to commit to defense, and gel with one another we can win another championship. I'm disappointed in some folks around here, how can you be so doom and gloom after we just won a friggin championship?

SMC0007 · 12-19-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

The whining over TC has to stop. I love him as much as the next guy but he's gone. Let's be happy that we won a championship, and we have a legit chance to win it all again this year. I have no doubt that if we can get this team to commit to defense, and gel with one another we can win another championship. I'm disappointed in some folks around here, how can you be so doom and gloom after we just won a friggin championship?

Be more specific please.

LSMF · 12-19-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Be more specific please.

Obviously, I'm not going to start singling people out. However, I don't like the general attitude around these parts (and also DB.com). I feel like this team will have a slow start, and if that happens so many fans are gunna be on Suicide Watch. People really need to relax and just give these guys time. There will be growing pains but this team will be great.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-19-2011, 08:21 PM

Dont know how serious to take this...

Beto Duran:Source who called Miami Big 3 tells @John Ireland that Howard to Nets going down this week. Merry XMas Lakers fansabout 2 hours ago

deamon · 12-19-2011, 08:33 PM

Sean in Maccabi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxGfI...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ-fp...feature=relmfu

mac222b · 12-19-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Scratch Julian Wright.

Isn't James Posey on the market? Dude is 35 but he might be good for another season as a Matrix backup. Solid D, champ experience and an OK 3ball (35% career).

did Julian Wright sign? cant find any news of that.

nowhereman · 12-19-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Our team build has much better perimeter defense than last year, so Chandler's help defense shouldn't be as necessary... And Haywood is a solid man defender, so I expect that we'll see a lot less zone (aside from certain match-ups...)

I agree that Tyson is a better defender/player than Haywood, but I also think that adding Odom to the lineup mitigates a lot of Big Wood's deficiencies. Yeah, we're not going to be able to win the same way as last year, but we can definitely still repeat with Brendan Haywood playing center - there's more than one way to win a ring, ya know...

I agree in part. I loved JJ - but Kidd/Terry/Odom v. Kidd/Barea/Terry or Barea/Terry/Marion is no contest.

That said, I've never seen a player defend a P&R for the Mavs anywhere near what Chandler did.

nowhereman · 12-19-2011, 09:18 PM

I like Williams from what I see. Good passing, good shooter, seems to have a good nose for the ball, and very athletic. Looks a lot like a SF though - needs much more build to be able to battle down low. Also, I'd like to see how his footwork looks on D.

dude1394 · 12-19-2011, 09:39 PM

Pretty talented looking dude for a 6 10 guy. I'll be interested to see him out there if he can get his head right with ball.

tcat075 · 12-19-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Obviously, I'm not going to start singling people out. However, I don't like the general attitude around these parts (and also DB.com). I feel like this team will have a slow start, and if that happens so many fans are gunna be on Suicide Watch. People really need to relax and just give these guys time. There will be growing pains but this team will be great.

Well no shocker there...

DTownKidd · 12-19-2011, 10:02 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...ers-on-tuesday

FWIW

SMC0007 · 12-19-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Obviously, I'm not going to start singling people out. However, I don't like the general attitude around these parts (and also DB.com). I feel like this team will have a slow start, and if that happens so many fans are gunna be on Suicide Watch. People really need to relax and just give these guys time. There will be growing pains but this team will be great.

Well I don't think it's obvious. If you are referring to me, I might like a chance to defend myself instead of being lumped in as a general Haywood hater, or even worse someone who is whining about the loss of Chandler without perspective on the big picture. I can only speak for myself and in other posts/threads I have defended the organization about the moves made so far. I'm just speaking of my opinion of what I think is likely to take place on the court. Not that Haywood sucks or isn't a solid player or a good guy etc. If I'm guilty of putting my opinion in the wrong thread so be it.

nowhereman · 12-19-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DTownKidd

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...ers-on-tuesday

FWIW

Jason Terry went home in an ambulance??

CadBane · 12-19-2011, 10:22 PM

I was checking out Williams' game log from his rookie year...he had some impressive games. It was downhill after that season, but he definitely has skills.

GQ03 · 12-20-2011, 12:06 AM

I'm wondering why the mavs have no interest in bringing back Ryan Hollins, thats a poor man's Tyson Chandler if I've ever seen one.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-20-2011, 12:22 AM

Letterman says Kobe's divorce has to be approved by David Stern. lol

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-20-2011, 12:23 AM

Los Angeles radio host John Ireland said on the air Monday that a reliable source of his says the Nets will execute a trade for Dwight Howard on Tuesday.Ireland points out that his source correctly reported the LeBron James and Chris Bosh to Miami deal last year, and for what it's worth Ireland is well-connected within the Lakers scene and thus is within arm's distance of the trade action. This could mean that Brook Lopez is heading to Orlando, but then again we'll need to see where all of this goes.

Rick41 · 12-20-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GQ03

I'm wondering why the mavs have no interest in bringing back Ryan Hollins, thats a poor man's Tyson Chandler if I've ever seen one.

To me, Sean Williams looks like a raw Tyson Chandler. (or starter kit)

j0Shi · 12-21-2011, 08:43 PM

Drew Neitzel is looking better than Jerome Randle right now in the D-League. Williams active on defense, made a foul line J and a reverse dunk.

j0Shi · 12-21-2011, 08:50 PM

D-Steve about to sign 1-year deal with the Nets. I hope he gets a decent amount on that contract, otherwise would be a bit disappointed that he chose Nets over us.

Kante · 12-22-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

D-Steve about to sign 1-year deal with the Nets. I hope he gets a decent amount on that contract, otherwise would be a bit disappointed that he chose Nets over us.

Woj:

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As reported by NY-NJ outlets, DeShawn Stevenson agrees to 1-year pact with Nets. The deal will pay him $2.5M for the season, source tells Y!

Kante · 12-22-2011, 11:19 AM

Randle waived: https://twitter.com/#!/DubiPick/stat...75775330459648

iella · 12-22-2011, 11:28 AM

Per Mahoney, Randle and Neitzel both waived.

SMC0007 · 12-22-2011, 11:37 AM

Sayonora Homles'.