2017 NBA Draft

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And of course Fish's "breaking news" article on the Kristaps rumor is paid for content. Figures.

Oh you knew that was coming hahaha.

"BREAKING NEWS: Mavericks throw stuff in the air, figure it falls down. Story to follow on DallasMavericks.com"

Premium article: "Because ... Gravity- per league sources"
-Fish

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I only assume he's a 4 because I thought more than once last year RC said Barnes best position is the 4 in modern nba.

With Isaac, Barnes could be a PF on offense but guard SFs.
I think the two could easily co-exist.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Please no, please no, please no to Bledsoe.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...y-Eric-Bledsoe

God I hope we don't give up our pick for him.

I don't see the Mavs mentioned anywhere in that.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I don't see the Mavs mentioned anywhere in that.

They aren't but if he is available I could see them making a move like that if a PG isn't available when we pick.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Funny how many vets seem to be available now. Is the new NBA going to be singing players to albatross contracts just to try and trade them in a year or so?

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Oh you knew that was coming hahaha.

"BREAKING NEWS: Mavericks throw stuff in the air, figure it falls down. Story to follow on DallasMavericks.com"

Premium article: "Because ... Gravity- per league sources"
-Fish

Mike Fishing for suckers.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

With Isaac, Barnes could be a PF on offense but guard SFs.
I think the two could easily co-exist.

I agree

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

With Isaac, Barnes could be a PF on offense but guard SFs.
I think the two could easily co-exist.

Noel, Barnes and Issac would be a filthy long athletic versatile frontline. Could really get behind that for the next 5+yrs. Issac has a nice looking shot too.

[Songbard]

I like Isaac too. Still a guard would fit our biggest needs, and the pickins may never be this good again.
But as far as forwards go, I don't know the last time I've seen a more impressive highlight reel than Semi Ojeleye's.
Am I missing something to think his highlights are as impressive, if not more than Isaac's?

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Funny how many vets seem to be available now. Is the new NBA going to be singing players to albatross contracts just to try and trade them in a year or so?

There was so much money available all at once, and teams had no choice but to spend it.

[GermanStandard]

Mavs will draft Frank Ntilikina. They just signed his Coach for the Mavs SL Team.

Mavs apparently love him and think he is the PG Version of Giannis which he is not.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Mavs will draft Frank Ntilikina. They just signed his Coach for the Mavs SL Team.

Mavs apparently love him and think he is the PG Version of Giannis which he is not.

None of that matters if knicks take him first.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Songbard

I like Isaac too. Still a guard would fit our biggest needs, and the pickins may never be this good again.
But as far as forwards go, I don't know the last time I've seen a more impressive highlight reel than Semi Ojeleye's.
Am I missing something to think his highlights are as impressive, if not more than Isaac's?

No, SO could easily be the steal of this draft. His biggest concern is size for position but to be honest I can't say I'd be overly upset if mavs traded down and take him. Isaac's motor is a huge concern to me but definitely the guy to take at #9 if there.

[hayth.james.g]

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/s...-of-mavs-draft

Interesting points regarding the salary cap and how to best leverage our position.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Songbard

I like Isaac too. Still a guard would fit our biggest needs, and the pickins may never be this good again.
But as far as forwards go, I don't know the last time I've seen a more impressive highlight reel than Semi Ojeleye's.
Am I missing something to think his highlights are as impressive, if not more than Isaac's?

I watched almost every SMU game this season and it's not just that he has a cpl great highlight vids. He was solid all year. The team didn't have a big man really which is probably why he played PF mostly. They strictly played 2 guards 3 fwds and 6'8'' was the tallest guy in the regular lineup if I recall correctly. When they needed scoring he would put his head down and get to the paint or get to free throw line. He had a lot of and 1's because he's very powerful. He would also work well off screens and knock down shots from anywhere, especially that elbow J where Powell could have made his living filling in for Dirk if he could hit the shot. There are a few guys on that team that are going to be good. Shake Milton is a long and tall PG with nice skills, so when he comes out it will be interesting too.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Mavs will draft Frank Ntilikina. They just signed his Coach for the Mavs SL Team.

Mavs apparently love him and think he is the PG Version of Giannis which he is not.

But also, didn't he start following Knicks players on Twitter? Seems like the mavs are always working on their international relationships and this could be just that...they may be thinking they prefer DSJ but they will take Frank IF he is the only PG left.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/s...-of-mavs-draft

Interesting points regarding the salary cap and how to best leverage our position.

I have no clue about the value of draft picks vs salary and such but I would be stunned beyond belief if the Blazers gave up a first rounder to lose the 6m expiring contract of ed davis. The ones attached with a 1st to me would be Turner and Leonard. Crabbe has a kicker so that is even worse of a dump I don't think that one gets moved. Vertical podcast said that teams wanting to buy a 2nd round pick, late 2nd like 50th pick area are going to have to pay 3m in cash for it, which is unheard of but it's one of the ramifications of this CBA, that draft picks are even more valued. So I find it hard to believe we could get a 1st rounder for simply taking 1 year 6m of ed davis.

I'm still interested in taking Leonard for one of their 1sts or taking Turner for a lot more, or swapping turner and powell and getting a 1st and maybe a future 2 also.

[sefant77]

Leonard is a bust....

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Leonard is a bust....

That's kinda the point.

Anyone here think trading our 9 pick for Aldridge Makes sense for us? Besides Cuban of course.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Damnit we are back on the Maarkanen train again? If we trade up to draft that guy I will forever lose faith in the MBT.

When it comes to drafting, what has caused you to have any faith left at this point? MBT hasn't drafted a good player since Josh Howard. That's a long and glorious string of total failures in the draft, perhaps the worst string ever in the history of sports. There is no reason to have any faith...they have to do something to earn that.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

That's kinda the point.

Anyone here think trading our 9 pick for Aldridge Makes sense for us? Besides Cuban of course.

I wouldn't even consider it personally. If Cuban did this... God I'd be so upset, and I'd expect whoever the Spurs got at 9 would terrorize the Mavs for 15 years.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Mavs will draft Frank Ntilikina. They just signed his Coach for the Mavs SL Team.

Mavs apparently love him and think he is the PG Version of Giannis which he is not.

That certainly seems to be where they are leaning...although hopefully this coach has value beyond simply his relationship with FN.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

That certainly seems to be where they are leaning...although hopefully this coach has value beyond simply his relationship with FN.

They wouldn't sign a coach before they draft the kid just for the relationship. Maybe if it was a FA situation, but this draft is too wild and unpredictable for that. I would be very surprised if the Knicks passed on Frank.

At this point I think our very best scenario would be to trade Mathews for Rubio + swap picks then draft Monk. Then shop Curry for late 1st. Rubio is God awful scorer but at least can create. With Barnes + Monk + Dirk we would have considerable scoring power. I could see us being fun to watch in Dirk's last year while being focused on developing our young guys.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

They wouldn't sign a coach before they draft the kid just for the relationship. Maybe if it was a FA situation, but this draft is too wild and unpredictable for that. I would be very surprised if the Knicks passed on Frank.

At this point I think our very best scenario would be to trade Mathews for Rubio + swap picks then draft Monk. Then shop Curry for late 1st. Rubio is God awful scorer but at least can create. With Barnes + Monk + Dirk we would have considerable scoring power. I could see us being fun to watch in Dirk's last year while being focused on developing our young guys.

Doesn't this whole things contradict itself, or am I just a bit confused? So then why would they hire the coach if they thought the Knicks were going to take him.

This entire draft is like a variable nightmare. lol

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Mavs will draft Frank Ntilikina. They just signed his Coach for the Mavs SL Team.

Mavs apparently love him and think he is the PG Version of Giannis which he is not.

I've seen a lot of people say the Knicks want him.....so what do they do then? Do they panic and trade back?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Lottery teams hold all of the cards right now. As crazy as it sounds, I actually think the Mavs could do better than that Minnesota deal. You have a lot of upper echelon teams trying to shed salary, and all it takes is for one to to crack and give you an amazingly lopsided deal. I'm all about trading 9 if it's too good to pass up. And I think one or two of those will come across the Mavs laps before all is said and done tonight.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I watched almost every SMU game this season and it's not just that he has a cpl great highlight vids. He was solid all year. The team didn't have a big man really which is probably why he played PF mostly. They strictly played 2 guards 3 fwds and 6'8'' was the tallest guy in the regular lineup if I recall correctly. When they needed scoring he would put his head down and get to the paint or get to free throw line. He had a lot of and 1's because he's very powerful. He would also work well off screens and knock down shots from anywhere, especially that elbow J where Powell could have made his living filling in for Dirk if he could hit the shot. There are a few guys on that team that are going to be good. Shake Milton is a long and tall PG with nice skills, so when he comes out it will be interesting too.

I think what scares me about SO is that he reminds me a lot of Thomas Robinson who was absolutely a beast at the college level but his game didn't transition to the NBA mostly due to size. TR was always listed at 6"10" but in reality he is about the same height as SO.
I do think SO is more skilled though and could adapt to a SF or maybe even SG. I think DeMarre Carroll is probably a decent comparison to SO.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I think what scares me about SO is that he reminds me a lot of Thomas Robinson who was absolutely a beast at the college level but his game didn't transition to the NBA mostly due to size. TR was always listed at 6"10" but in reality he is about the same height as SO.
I do think SO is more skilled though and could adapt to a SF or maybe even SG. I think DeMarre Carroll is probably a decent comparison to SO.

Yea, if he adapts the carry the ball everytime you drive it like most of the NBA slashers he could play SG a bit. I see him as a bigger stronger Corey Maggette, If I had to career predict. I think he has the same defensive capability as D Carroll but more offensive potential and is way more of an athlete.

[saclare]

The way I see it, the Mavs only trade up with Minnesota if the target is Isaac. However, I don't think anything happens until tonight. The key here is who Orlando ends up drafting. If they draft Monk, Mavs sit tight and draft whoever falls to them at 9. That would most likely be the PG that NYK do not draft, i.e. DSJ/Ntilikina. If they draft DSJ and Minnesota is wanting to do the floated deal, assuming Mavs were indeed the one to turn down Rubio/7 for Matthews/9, then the deal gets done and we add Isaac and Rubio, while creating almost $4mm in salary cap space. I would be pretty excited about that outcome, to be honest.

I believe, that if no other trade affects 6-9 draft order, that we will end up with Isaac via trade up with the Timberwolves, or take Monk/DSJ at 9 and be very happy, assuming NYK go with Ntilikina. In any circumstance, it benefits the Mavs to wait and see how the draft and other trades pan out, as we can simply stand pat and draft a difference maker at 9.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Doesn't this whole things contradict itself, or am I just a bit confused? So then why would they hire the coach if they thought the Knicks were going to take him.

This entire draft is like a variable nightmare. lol

Could it be that it's coincidence that we are hiring the coach? There is no chance that we know with certainty that we are getting him. Even if we feel strongly about him. So it is logical to assume that this choice was made independently of whether or not we get Frank. If we get both it's a win/win. If we get just the coach and we liked him alot, then it is still a win. But at this point recruitment is out the window since he is already committing to come to the states to play ball for whoever drafts him, and we have no control over NY picking him or not.

[mac222b]

Its hard to imagine that we turned down the Minnesota deal thats been floated. Either we dont have the whole story, meaning we are giving up something else in the deal, Minnesota is in fact the one to turn it down or we are using it as leverage try to move Wes elsewhere. Seems to me Rubio is a better basketball player than Wes, is younger, we save $4m AND we move up two spots? Something doesn't compute. Maybe we have a deal contingent upon who is there at 7? But i find it hard to believe we turned that deal down. Doesn't ring true

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Could it be that it's coincidence that we are hiring the coach? There is no chance that we know with certainty that we are getting him. Even if we feel strongly about him. So it is logical to assume that this choice was made independently of whether or not we get Frank. If we get both it's a win/win. If we get just the coach and we liked him alot, then it is still a win. But at this point recruitment is out the window since he is already committing to come to the states to play ball for whoever drafts him, and we have no control over NY picking him or not.

Idk, I doubt it's coincidence but who knows at this point. It's Summer League, not like he is going to be next to Carlisle on the bench this season. They have signed/drafted random players that have no chance of making the roster before from foreign countries, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was a play to strengthen connections for future opportunities if not for Frank.

[Bryan_Wilson]

The Mavs have a relationship with Roddy and Roddy has a relationship with the coach and with Frank. I'm sure the Mavs have known about the coach longer than Frank tbh. I don't think there is anything to the hiring of him and the connection to drafting frank.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Now that draft day is here, I'm starting to inch away from Frank like some around here. I just think picking an almost totally unproven player in such an important draft is too risky. And it's a bit different than Giannis because he was picked 15th in a weaker draft. You could take that risk at that pick. Taking a similar risk at 9 makes me nervous.

I really haven't read anything that says Frank has superstar or even tier 2 star potential. Scouts love the kid, but star potential is hard to find. I read 3 and D or George Hill, but not much outside of that. Problem is that you just are shooting in the dark with what his potential actually is. His biggest upside is his potential for elite defense which is exactly why he will likely be lottery bound.

My bottom line though is that fact that there is little to no evidence that Frank is more talented than a Monk or DSJ or even Mitchell. Physical tools are great, but talent is just as good. We all get caught up in wingspan length when I'd rather just have a guy who can play.

[mac222b]

People are seriously underrating Rubio btw

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Now that draft day is here, I'm starting to inch away from Frank like some around here. I just think picking an almost totally unproven player in such an important draft is too risky. And it's a bit different than Giannis because he was picked 15th in a weaker draft. You could take that risk at that pick. Taking a similar risk at 9 makes me nervous.

I really haven't read anything that says Frank has superstar or even tier 2 star potential. Scouts love the kid, but star potential is hard to find. I read 3 and D or George Hill, but not much outside of that. Problem is that you just are shooting in the dark with what his potential actually is. His biggest upside is his potential for elite defense which is exactly why he will likely be lottery bound.

My bottom line though is that fact that there is little to no evidence that Frank is more talented than a Monk or DSJ or even Mitchell. Physical tools are great, but talent is just as good. We all get caught up in wingspan length when I'd rather just have a guy who can play.

Exactly.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Now that draft day is here, I'm starting to inch away from Frank like some around here. I just think picking an almost totally unproven player in such an important draft is too risky. And it's a bit different than Giannis because he was picked 15th in a weaker draft. You could take that risk at that pick. Taking a similar risk at 9 makes me nervous.

I really haven't read anything that says Frank has superstar or even tier 2 star potential. Scouts love the kid, but star potential is hard to find. I read 3 and D or George Hill, but not much outside of that. Problem is that you just are shooting in the dark with what his potential actually is. His biggest upside is his potential for elite defense which is exactly why he will likely be lottery bound.

My bottom line though is that fact that there is little to no evidence that Frank is more talented than a Monk or DSJ or even Mitchell. Physical tools are great, but talent is just as good. We all get caught up in wingspan length when I'd rather just have a guy who can play.

Agree with all of this. Instead of waiting for 3-4 years for Frank to resemble anything approaching an NBA player offensively, why wouldn't we take Monk or DSJ both of whom can come in and potentially be (RC willing) a 12-15ppg scorer right out the gate for a team that needs scoring and shot creation.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Its hard to imagine that we turned down the Minnesota deal thats been floated. Either we dont have the whole story, meaning we are giving up something else in the deal, Minnesota is in fact the one to turn it down or we are using it as leverage try to move Wes elsewhere. Seems to me Rubio is a better basketball player than Wes, is younger, we save $4m AND we move up two spots? Something doesn't compute. Maybe we have a deal contingent upon who is there at 7? But i find it hard to believe we turned that deal down. Doesn't ring true

Contingent. It's what I was leading on about. They have no reason to pull the trigger now if their target isn't there aka drafted by Orlando. However, if they think someone is making a big jump to 7, perhaps they may be inclined. But even in that scenario, see what is left from the top 9 players.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Could it be that it's coincidence that we are hiring the coach? There is no chance that we know with certainty that we are getting him. Even if we feel strongly about him. So it is logical to assume that this choice was made independently of whether or not we get Frank. If we get both it's a win/win. If we get just the coach and we liked him alot, then it is still a win. But at this point recruitment is out the window since he is already committing to come to the states to play ball for whoever drafts him, and we have no control over NY picking him or not.

Maybe they just like the coach?

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by mac222b

People are seriously underrating Rubio btw

hello new NBA. If you cant shoot or drive, you are borderline useless. Even with nice defense or passing.

And if the Celtics pick Tatum the Suns are going to get a shitload of calls for #4 within seconds