2014 Offseason Thread

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Kings and suns working sign n trade using Thomas now.

it sounded good for a second there.. bummer

[Kante]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Lots off changes on the big board

Center
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Big Baby Davis (UFA)
Greg Oden (UFA)
Ekpe Udoh (UFA)

Power Forward
DeJuan Blair (UFA)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Pau Gasol (UFA)
Al-Farouq Aminu (UFA)
Matt Bonner (UFA)
Anthony Tolliver (UFA)

Small Forward
Trevor Ariza (UFA)
Luol Deng (UFA)
Vince Carter (UFA)
Caron Butler (UFA)
Dante Cunningham (UFA)
Jordan Hamilton (UFA)
Evan Turner (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Kent Bazemore (RFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Kirk Hinrich (UFA)
Xavier Henry (UFA)
Mo Williams (UFA)

Point Guard
DJ Augustin (UFA)

Lakers signed Young earlier. Birdman probably staying in Miami!

[sefant77]

Jordan Hill 2/18...so you also know Gasol gonna get 2/20 at least...

But i do wonder if Bledsoe stays in Phoenix. Diaw re-signed.

[Kante]

Gasol out of LA, he moves on.

@KBergCBS: Luol Deng's representatives spoke with Miami officials today, league source says. Deng hopes to choose landing spot in next 24 hours.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Jordan Hill 2/18...so you also know Gasol gonna get 2/20 at least...

But i do wonder if Bledsoe stays in Phoenix. Diaw re-signed.

Any thought that Houston targets Bledsoe? Only way to realistically pursue this is to either A. Decline Parsons sheet. or B. Work an SnT with Phoenix before Sunday nights deadline. I don't see them rich with assets now to make a SnT work and I doubt Phoenix would be in a rush to help Houston out.

If Houston wants to use their cap space on players, keep Parsons, and go over the soft cap I don't really see alot of options. Doesn't make sense to sign any of the 3 guards AND keep Parsons. No other positions really seem worth going into luxury for aside from maybe the PG spot, but as I just mentioned it seems unrealistic that they can pull something off for Bledsoe AND add Parsons. Thoughts?

[Vinsanity]

This is a little encouraging I suppose...

http://houseofhouston.com/2014/07/11...ndler-parsons/

[Melonhead]

Parsons is our only hope right now. Ariza has about 5 teams pursuing him, Deng seems to be a lock for Miami.

Stephenson could be the fallback, but isnt he more a 2 than 3?

[sefant77]

Looks like the Suns like IT as 6th and 3rd guard off the bench and gonna keep Bledsoe.

I still think Melo stays and Houston matches. Means of the bigger names just Deng, Ariza, Gasol and Lance left. My wild guess right now is thar Deng gonna party with 60m in Miami, the Wiz (over-)pay Ariza, Knicks doing some moves to offer Gasol 10m and we end up with another Monta Ellis and get Lance+Marion for the 15m...

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Parsons is our only hope right now. Ariza has about 5 teams pursuing him, Deng seems to be a lock for Miami.

Stephenson could be the fallback, but isnt he more a 2 than 3?

Yes, but assuming his cost is around 10 million (offered 7.8 by pacers) he could most probably split minutes between the 2 and 3 and we could still fill our roster out around him. I love the idea of an Ellis, Stephenson, Carter, Dirk, Chandler 4th quarter lineup. Stephenson has no problem guarding 1-3's.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Looks like the Suns like IT as 6th and 3rd guard off the bench and gonna keep Bledsoe.

I still think Melo stays and Houston matches. Means of the bigger names just Deng, Ariza, Gasol and Lance left. My wild guess right now is thar Deng gonna party with 60m in Miami, the Wiz (over-)pay Ariza, Knicks doing some moves to offer Gasol 10m and we end up with another Monta Ellis and get Lance+Marion for the 15m...

This would be a dream come true situation imo. Stephenson has some baggage, but seriously he is tenacious on D. He has a high ceiling on him on both sides of the ball. Marion offers some consistency off the bench.. and perhaps all of this would help us keep Carter for the 2.7.

But seriously my #1 thought after the Parsons offer was the PERFECT scenario as: Houston matches, fails on big 3, we get Stephenson for 10-11, keep VC and possibly Marion, stretch waive Felton, pickup Mo williams, then do something creative with Wright + Picks if anything is to be had out there. Houston ultimately gets worse losing Asik and gaining nothing.

Mavs lineup:
Harris
Ellis
Stephenson
Dirk
Chandler

Off the bench is Carter, Marion*, Crowder, Wright's replacement, Blair, Mo Williams, Mekel. I'm sorry but that team is DEEP!

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Parsons is our only hope right now. Ariza has about 5 teams pursuing him, Deng seems to be a lock for Miami.

Stephenson could be the fallback, but isnt he more a 2 than 3?

right! thats why i say make a trade for j.j. redick. IMO

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Parsons is our only hope right now. Ariza has about 5 teams pursuing him, Deng seems to be a lock for Miami.

Stephenson could be the fallback, but isnt he more a 2 than 3?

You do know that we are one of the five, right? We can also offer as much as any of them both in terms of roster, wins, money and playtime.

[Budapest Maverick]

Stephenson has an almost 6'11 wingspan and is very athletic and strong, he can guard SF's without a problem. I think he would be a good fallback plan.

[Kante]

Gasol to SAS probably if LAL and CHI can't make a S&T with Gasol and Boozer!

[Kante]

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[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You do know that we are one of the five, right? We can also offer as much as any of them both in terms of roster, wins, money and playtime.

Agreed, plus one of Ariza's pursuers is Houston. If they sign him I doubt the match Parsons offer. Just wouldn't make sense. Ariza actually makes a ton of sense for them if they can get him for 10 mill a year.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Stephenson has an almost 6'11 wingspan and is very athletic and strong, he can guard SF's without a problem. I think he would be a good fallback plan.

He definitely can defend the 1/2/3 positions and would be a nice counterpoint to Ellis' speed and relative lack of size/strength.

Still, Mavs camp don't seem too high on him (including Carlisle) and I trust Rick to know bad boys.

[sefant77]

Gasol for the MLE to SA? wait what..

[sefant77]

Gasol for the MLE to SA? wait what..

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He definitely can defend the 1/2/3 positions and would be a nice counterpoint to Ellis' speed and relative lack of size/strength.

Still, Mavs camp don't seem too high on him (including Carlisle) and I trust Rick to know bad boys.

My only argument to this is last year this was the sentiment on Monte. Not a team player, chunker, some attitude issues, etc. He looked pretty darn effective as a Mav and all signs point to him being a great locker room guy.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

This is a little encouraging I suppose...

http://houseofhouston.com/2014/07/11...ndler-parsons/

Jesus I thought I was pessimistic. Loved reading that.

There is pros/cons for Houston matching. ONLY reason I see them matching is so Morey doesnt "lose" to Cuban.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Gasol for the MLE to SA? wait what..

so your saying gasol is going to spurs??

[Melonhead]

SA has moved into top position to land Gasol if Bulls cant complete SNT w/Lakers per Stein.

wat.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Gasol for the MLE to SA? wait what..

I don't see that rumor any where. Source?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Stephenson could be the fallback, but isnt he more a 2 than 3?

He plays good enough defense and rebounds as well as most sfs in the league so why not?

The ONLY thing that stops teams from being interested are his shenanigans.

[sefant77]

I think it would be a 1y MLE deal (2nd year player option) in SA. Spurs another probably last title run, Gasol at a contender and next year he moves on together with Marc to another team.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I don't see that rumor any where. Source?

i found this.
http://projectspurs.com/2014-article...urs-bulls.html

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

He plays good enough defense and rebounds as well as most sfs in the league so why not?

The ONLY thing that stops teams from being interested are his shenanigans.

His rebound rate would put him at 14th among SFs, which isn't terrible. He's easily the best rebounding guard in the game now that Kidd is retired, and would be at least a decent, starting-level rebounder from the 3.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

He plays good enough defense and rebounds as well as most sfs in the league so why not?

The ONLY thing that stops teams from being interested are his shenanigans.

If we miss out on everyone above him, Ill welcome his shenanigans with open arms.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

His rebound rate would put him at 14th among SFs, which isn't terrible. He's easily the best rebounding guard in the game now that Kidd is retired, and would be at least a decent, starting-level rebounder from the 3.

Is it safe to say his rebounding rate might go up abit since he would be defending the 3 more often than the 2 now?

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

yes shawn marion 7th in rebounding as actual shooting foeward

[Underdog]

@RealGM: Lamar Odom has been waived by the Knicks.

@KBergCBS: Phil Jackson: "Unfortunately, Lamar was unable to uphold the standards to return as an NBA player."


DO IT, CUBAN!!!!!!

[vinylstar]

You'll figure out quickly I'm not a cba expert. I have a few questions...

Do we have Marion's and Carter's Bird Rights or were they renounced for some reason at some point? The criteria for 3 years with the team appears to be met with both. If so, can we sign resign both or one of them even though this would exceed the cap (Dirk + Parsons[hopefully] + Harris + previous contracts = 63M).

Does this effect our ability to use the MLE? The way I read it, (I could be very wrong) it seems as if in order to get the full MLE, you'd have to use it THEN sign Marion and/or Carter.

Thanks.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by vinylstar

You'll figure out quickly I'm not a cba expert. I have a few questions...

Do we have Marion's and Carter's Bird Rights or were they renounced for some reason at some point? The criteria for 3 years with the team appears to be met with both. If so, can we sign resign both or one of them even though this would exceed the cap (Dirk + Parsons[hopefully] + Harris + previous contracts = 63M).

Does this effect our ability to use the MLE? The way I read it, (I could be very wrong) it seems as if in order to get the full MLE, you'd have to use it THEN sign Marion and/or Carter.

Thanks.

Dallas went under the cap to give Parsons the offer sheet, so they do not have the MLE (strictly an over-the-cap exception). As for Marion/Vince, I'm not sure who or how many the Mavs had to renounce to create room for Parsons' offer sheet, but as both Marion and Vince are likely to sign deals for less than their cap hold, Bird Rights probably wouldn't be of any help in retaining them, anyway.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by vinylstar

You'll figure out quickly I'm not a cba expert. I have a few questions...

Do we have Marion's and Carter's Bird Rights or were they renounced for some reason at some point? The criteria for 3 years with the team appears to be met with both. If so, can we sign resign both or one of them even though this would exceed the cap (Dirk + Parsons[hopefully] + Harris + previous contracts = 63M).

Does this effect our ability to use the MLE? The way I read it, (I could be very wrong) it seems as if in order to get the full MLE, you'd have to use it THEN sign Marion and/or Carter.

Thanks.

The MLE is only available each offseason to teams that are over the cap with their commitments for the upcoming season.

Teams under the cap have the smaller $2.5 million exception.

[vinylstar]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Dallas went under the cap to give Parsons the offer sheet, so they do not have the MLE (strictly an over-the-cap exception). As for Marion/Vince, I'm not sure who or how many the Mavs had to renounce to create room for Parsons' offer sheet, but as both Marion and Vince are likely to sign deals for less than their cap hold, Bird Rights probably wouldn't be of any help in retaining them, anyway.

OK...I understand this isn't a CBA FAQ thread, but can you explain how their cap holds are calculated? Even if they sign deals less than their cap hold, if it is not done with their bird rights, how can they go over the cap to sign them? Is it with the 2.5M under the cap MLE?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by vinylstar

OK...I understand this isn't a CBA FAQ thread, but can you explain how their cap holds are calculated? Even if they sign deals less than their cap hold, if it is not done with their bird rights, how can they go over the cap to sign them? Is it with the 2.5M under the cap MLE?

Cap hold is determined by previous contract. Larry Coon's CBA FAQ has the deets, or you can just directly look up cap hold amounts on shamsports.com. If Dallas has renounced, they can't go over the cap to re-sign. If they haven't that's cap space they can't use on other players. However it happens, though, there's virtually no chance that Trix/VC's Bird Rights come into play this summer.

[vinylstar]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Cap hold is determined by previous contract. Larry Coon's CBA FAQ has the deets, or you can just directly look up cap hold amounts on shamsports.com. If Dallas has renounced, they can't go over the cap to re-sign. If they haven't that's cap space they can't use on other players. However it happens, though, there's virtually no chance that Trix/VC's Bird Rights come into play this summer.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You do know that we are one of the five, right? We can also offer as much as any of them both in terms of roster, wins, money and playtime.

I dont have much confidence in a FA choosing to come to Dallas when multiple teams involved. We usually get the short end of the stick when this situation arises.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

we could always get caron butler for 1 mil