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rabbitproof · 07-07-2013, 04:56 PM

Is Greg Monroe attainable?

Smoove and Drummond make a good 4-5 combo and they probably want to pay Drummond who is a real freak.

Could we get Monroe with a first, Marion and taking back a guy like Jerebko (4.5m with player option next year).

Marion is a fit with Smoove and gives them cap relief next year.

Monroe would be on par with Pek IMO.

mavs777 · 07-07-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Is Greg Monroe attainable?

Smoove and Drummond make a good 4-5 combo and they probably want to pay Drummond who is a real freak.

Could we get Monroe with a first, Marion and taking back a little extra salary?

Monroe would be on par with Pek IMO.

In a word yes and no, Monroe I would guess is available at the right price (Rondo for example) but not for the assets the mavs have.

Budapest Maverick · 07-07-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Is Greg Monroe attainable?

Smoove and Drummond make a good 4-5 combo and they probably want to pay Drummond who is a real freak.

Could we get Monroe with a first, Marion and taking back a guy like Jerebko (4.5m with player option next year).

Marion is a fit with Smoove and gives them cap relief next year.

Monroe would be on par with Pek IMO.

Come on Rabbit, you're a great, knowledgeable poster, that's not even a remotely realistic trade scenario... Monroe is one of the better young bigs in the league, and perfectly capable of playing PF and C. Even if they start Smith at PF, Monroe will back up both positions, but i think he would start before Drummond... I think the idea is that they want to grow them together, and play Smith at SF. He might be available for young premier perimeter talent, or a likely top 5 pick next year. Might be, not even sure about that. We do not have a single asset they would be interested in, not for Monroe anyway.

yahyes · 07-07-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Is Greg Monroe attainable?

Smoove and Drummond make a good 4-5 combo and they probably want to pay Drummond who is a real freak.

Could we get Monroe with a first, Marion and taking back a guy like Jerebko (4.5m with player option next year).

Marion is a fit with Smoove and gives them cap relief next year.

Monroe would be on par with Pek IMO.

Don't tease me about getting Monroe. He's one of my new favorite players in the league.

BPo001 · 07-07-2013, 11:05 PM

Any word on if we have talked to Morrow? I'd like to see him back.

spreedom · 07-07-2013, 11:30 PM

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Any word on if we have talked to Morrow? I'd like to see him back.

I've heard that like 10 teams have spoken to him and I didn't see the Mavs on that list.

blessednegr0 · 07-07-2013, 11:36 PM

I really want Morrow back as well. I think he is a great fit. Hopefully the Mavericks can make it happen.

yahyes · 07-08-2013, 03:36 AM

Alright.. Corey Brewer is still free. Sigh him back already. I want the reunion.

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2013, 09:11 AM

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Alright.. Corey Brewer is still free. Sigh him back already. I want the reunion.

there's a reason he still is.

sike · 07-08-2013, 09:28 AM

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there's a reason he still is.

Wanting too much money?

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2013, 09:39 AM

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Wanting too much money?

He's still a limited player.

saclare · 07-08-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

In a word yes and no, Monroe I would guess is available at the right price (Rondo for example) but not for the assets the mavs have.

That's three words!

But yea Monroe can't be had for what we can offer. I'm inclined to think there are better offers than Marion/Larkin/1st out there.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 10:21 AM

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He's still a limited player.

He can help the mavs with rebounding, defense, athleticism. All categories they are lacking severely in.

I'm much more into the 2011 mavs approach (they are calling it the Denver approach though). Strength in numbers. I think Devin/Calderon fit nicely in that. Add Brewer in that mix as well IMO.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 10:24 AM

The mavs also need some scoring help and that is never cheap.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 10:32 AM

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He can help the mavs with rebounding, defense, athleticism. All categories they are lacking severely in.

I'm much more into the 2011 mavs approach (they are calling it the Denver approach though). Strength in numbers. I think Devin/Calderon fit nicely in that. Add Brewer in that mix as well IMO.

Yeah, for the right price, Brewer could be an excellent fit... He definitely has some limitations, especially in when it comes to offense, but he's a good defender. Although I like him better at the 2 than the 3, seeing as how he's a poor rebounder.

I know Carlisle had high hopes for him before he was traded.

mavs777 · 07-08-2013, 10:32 AM

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That's three words!

But yea Monroe can't be had for what we can offer. I'm inclined to think there are better offers than Marion/Larkin/1st out there.

We can't offer our first

j0Shi · 07-08-2013, 10:42 AM

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He's still a limited player.

I'd still sign him over, lets say, Jermaine O'Neal.

Murphy3 · 07-08-2013, 10:46 AM

I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

marc9211 · 07-08-2013, 10:49 AM

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I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

Yea I agree however Harris has plenty of time left if we can land Bynum that's some youth.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

My first thought once we missed on Dwight was tank. Wasn't happening so next I thought was to take chances on young talent. That's not happening either so now I've accepted the fact they are just trying to piece together a 6-8 seed playoff team and now my suggestions fit that scenario which I don't endorse.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-08-2013, 11:12 AM

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I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

You make a solid point. I really hope our whole team isn't made up of past their prime veterans.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 11:15 AM

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I really hope our whole team isn't made up of past their prime veterans.

Like in 2011...?

(I kid - those past-their-prime veterans were more talented than the bunch we're collecting now)

moogle · 07-08-2013, 11:15 AM

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I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?...

Deron Williams is only 1 year younger than Devin Harris. Devin Harris is the same age now as Steve Nash was when he re-joined Phoenix in 2004. Jose Calderon is only 18 months older. When Calderon's 4-year contract is over, he'll be the same age as Jason Kidd was when we re-acquired him in 2008.

Really. 30 is not "old" for point guards.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-08-2013, 11:19 AM

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Like in 2011...?

(I kid - those past-their-prime veterans were more talented than the bunch we're collecting now)

I don't think Dirk can carry this bunch...especially without Terry. We have two massive holes right now...one in rebounding and one concerning a second scorer. But hey, the summer is still relatively young. I'll hold out some hope for a bit longer.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 11:20 AM

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Deron Williams is only 1 year younger than Devin Harris. Devin Harris is the same age now as Steve Nash was when he re-joined Phoenix in 2004. Jose Calderon is only 18 months older. When Calderon's 4-year contract is over, he'll be the same age as Jason Kidd was when we re-acquired him in 2008.

Really. 30 is not "old" for point guards.

Guys age differently. Whether its because their bodies break down at a different rate or just their game lends itself to lasting a long time regardless of athletic ability.
To compare two completely different athletes just by their age is foolhardy. By that logic Bynum or Brandon roy should have close to another decade left in the nba.

Dirk's Knee · 07-08-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

My thoughts exactly. At this point, it's looking like Dallas will have the oldest starting lineup in the NBA. that's horrible future planning. The Calderon signing on it's own I like (since we'll eventually use the stretch provision on him) especially since we signed Larkin and Mekel as well. The Harris signing just seems bizarre to me. Could have just signed Morrow and had him and VC (and maybe even give Ledo some limited floor time) split the minutes.

moogle · 07-08-2013, 11:25 AM

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Guys age differently. Whether its because their bodies break down at a different rate or just their game lends itself to lasting a long time regardless of athletic ability.
To compare two completely different athletes just by their age is foolhardy. By that logic Bynum or Brandon roy should have close to another decade left in the nba.

You can't talk about age without talking about position. 30 is kinda old for a swingman. For a center or a point guard, it's not that old. It really isn't. There are a whole bunch of point guards out there who remain very effective at age 33-34.

Also, the decline of Bynum & Roy has nothing to do with age at all. There's no reason to even bring them into this conversation.

Murphy3 · 07-08-2013, 11:26 AM

Harris is wry frequently injured

Dirk's Knee · 07-08-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Guys age differently. Whether its because their bodies break down at a different rate or just their game lends itself to lasting a long time regardless of athletic ability.
To compare two completely different athletes just by their age is foolhardy. By that logic Bynum or Brandon roy should have close to another decade left in the nba.

Agree wholeheartedly. The fact is the majority of NBA players peak between the ages of 24 and 27. Only the most elite players stay productive past 30 while the vast majority have a pretty quick falloff after the age of 30.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Guys age differently. Whether its because their bodies break down at a different rate or just their game lends itself to lasting a long time regardless of athletic ability.
To compare two completely different athletes just by their age is foolhardy. By that logic Bynum or Brandon roy should have close to another decade left in the nba.

If I'm understanding you correctly, then using age as a predictor for individual performance has absolutely no value, right?

Murphy3 · 07-08-2013, 11:30 AM

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You can't talk about age without talking about position. 30 is kinda old for a swingman. For a center or a point guard, it's not that old. It really isn't. There are a whole bunch of point guards out there who remain very effective at age 33-34.

Also, the decline of Bynum & Roy has nothing to do with age at all. There's no reason to even bring them into this conversation.

So, they'll sold right about the time the team is hopefully turning it around? awesome.... I gulley expect Calderon to have some good years left in him... Just unsure about the direction of this team

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 11:31 AM

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You can't talk about age without talking about position. 30 is kinda old for a swingman.

Carter, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Terry, Tony Allen, Gerald Wallace, Ray Allen, Wade, Paul Pierce, Ginobili say hi.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 11:34 AM

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Harris is wry frequently injured

That's always been the knock on him - he hasn't played over 70 games in a season since 06-07.

But he might be okay in limited minutes... Calrisle's rotations have a knack for giving injury-prone guys some longevity.

moogle · 07-08-2013, 11:34 AM

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Carter, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Terry, Tony Allen, Gerald Wallace, Ray Allen, Wade, Paul Pierce, Ginobili say hi.

Old doesn't mean "not good". And really, you're just proving my point that people over 30 can still be very productive.

Try again.

grndmstr_c · 07-08-2013, 11:34 AM

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I'm a bit confused as to what the Mavs are doing. Is it really time to add 30 something year old PG's?... O'Neal the aging and broken down center? What else? If your plan is to fill this roster with as many decent 30 something year old players to make this team a #7 or #8 seed.. I'd rather the team just take fliers on younger guys and hope that someone develops and can play a role in the future.

By thirty-something year old point guards, do you mean a 20 year-old, a 25 year-old, a 30 year-old and a 31 year-old? I really don't get the complaint here. It's not an old rotation. You could probably keep those same four guys and be very comfortably set at the position for the next three years at least.

As for the rest of it, I think it's pretty obvious what they're aiming for, and that's Bynum. What they do if they can't close on him or decide he's not worth the risk remains an open question.

oilfieldtrash · 07-08-2013, 11:36 AM

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If I'm understanding you correctly, then using age as a predictor for individual performance has absolutely no value, right?

Learn to read better.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 11:39 AM

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Learn to read better.

Learn to communicate better... Your words:

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Guys age differently.

End of discussion - age is but a number...

LonghornDub · 07-08-2013, 11:41 AM

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By thirty-something year old point guards, do you mean a 20 year-old, a 25 year-old, a 30 year-old and a 31 year-old? I really don't get the complaint here. It's not an old rotation. You could probably keep those same four guys and be very comfortably set at the position for the next three years at least.

As for the rest of it, I think it's pretty obvious what they're aiming for, and that's Bynum. What they do if they can't close on him or decide he's not worth the risk remains an open question.

JC is 32 but I agree. Even that's not "old" for a PG. I have no idea why certain folks (not necessarily DM folks) keep saying that he's too old for a four-year deal. He's not a seven-footer who takes physical abuse every game.

grndmstr_c · 07-08-2013, 11:44 AM

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JC is 32 but I agree. Even that's not "old" for a PG. I have no idea why certain folks (not necessarily DM folks) keep saying that he's too old for a four-year deal. He's not a seven-footer who takes physical abuse every game.

Technically still 31. He will be 32 on opening day, though.

LonghornDub · 07-08-2013, 11:47 AM

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Technically still 31. He will be 32 on opening day, though.

Ah yes, I misread. Apologies.