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grndmstr_c · 07-08-2013, 11:54 AM

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Ah yes, I misread. Apologies.

No. Thank you for pointing it out. I didn't realize he was going to age a year between now and then, and now I'm kinda freaked out. Is it too late to trade him for Darren Collison?

moogle · 07-08-2013, 11:59 AM

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JC is 32 but I agree. Even that's not "old" for a PG. I have no idea why certain folks (not necessarily DM folks) keep saying that he's too old for a four-year deal. He's not a seven-footer who takes physical abuse every game.

Exactly. And Calderon has never been a point guard that relies on athleticism anyway. He doesn't attack the basket, and he doesn't create his own shots. That's not his style. He manages the game very well, and he is a terrific jump shooter. His playing style won't be affected much by age.

Devin Harris is a different animal though, since he relies mostly on his quickness. But a 3-year contract for a 30 year old is nothing to be concerned about. It's not like the olden days when players were signing up for 7-year deals.

purplefrog · 07-08-2013, 12:13 PM

The Kings signed Carl Landry and currently have a glut of big men... Landry,Cousins, Hayes, Patterson, and Jason Thompson. Perhaps, Sac would be willing to trade Thompson for Matrix. This would fill a hole for them at SF and give the Mavs a 27 yr old 6'10" C/PF. It would also allow the Kings to remove a long term contract (through 2016/2017 at $5.5-6.8M) and focus on developing Cousins. Mavs save money in the short-term (nearly $4M) but potentially pay in the long-term.

Next, Mavs sign AK-47 to fill Matrix's shoes and they might still have a bit of cap space left to fill out the roster and re-sign Wright. Maybe pick up O'Neal as back-up C.

Mavs starting line-up: Calderon, Harris, AK-47, Thompson, and Dirk. Vince, Crowder, Wright, Larkin, etc off the bench.

Jason Thompson is no where close to being a great 5. But he is versatile. IMO, he plays above average defense, rebounds reasonably well, blocks some shots, and is an above average offensive player. He's relatively young and seems like a good locker room guy. Not sure the Kings would be willing to part with him, but on the other hand, it is unlikely that anyone would take Chucky Hayes off their hands, Patrick Patterson has a higher ceiling than Thompson, they've committed long-term to Landry, and they seem to want to try and build around Cousins, McLemore, and McCallum. I think Thompson is the odd man out.

Dirk's Knee · 07-08-2013, 12:29 PM

Marion isn't going anywhere. If they wanted to dump him they would have in the Dwight chase. Mavs will make a move for Bynum and/or Odem and sign up Wright and Sarge. Pick up a solid 3 point specialist for a min salary, a guy or 2 to ride the bench for garbage time and that'll be the roster.

spreedom · 07-08-2013, 12:36 PM

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Marion isn't going anywhere. If they wanted to dump him they would have in the Dwight chase. Mavs will make a move for Bynum and/or Odem and sign up Wright and Sarge. Pick up a solid 3 point specialist for a min salary, a guy or 2 to ride the bench for garbage time and that'll be the roster.

You know in retrospect, that's actually something kind of under the radar that the front office got right in our failed pursuit of Dwight. He's an asset. Potentially a great one. And I'm glad that those rumors of using the #13 pick as a sweetener just to dump his salary didn't come to fruition. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we held on to him this season, but I'm glad he's still here in case someone's stock drops and we're able to buy low on a good player.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 12:38 PM

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Mavs will make a move for Bynum and/or Odem

The love child of Odom and Oden? He'll have bad knees AND Kardashian baggage... Sign me up!

Dirk's Knee · 07-08-2013, 12:53 PM

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The love child of Odom and Oden? He'll have bad knees AND Kardashian baggage... Sign me up!

Haaaaaa! Sorry, I was on my phone. Oden...

j0Shi · 07-08-2013, 04:55 PM

To move the Monta Ellis debate out of the Bynum-topic: I compiled some regular season stats from last season on shooting guards >500 minutes (46 players)

Ellis ranks 35th in weighted FG%, 42nd in PPP, 41st in PPS while being in the top 10 of both usage and field goal attempts. That's just amazingly bad for a guy that views himself in the same category as Wade (who by the way leads the pack in wFG%, is 3rd in PPP and 4th in PPS).

Also unsurprisingly, playing him cost the Bucks -5.32 points per 100 according to simple +/-.

A positive side node: Newly acquired Devin Harris leads the list with a +/- of +10.88.

Full stats

grndmstr_c · 07-08-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

To move the Monta Ellis debate out of the Bynum-topic: I compiled some regular season stats from last season on shooting guards >500 minutes (46 players)

Ellis ranks 35th in weighted FG%, 42nd in PPP, 41st in PPS while being in the top 10 of both usage and field goal attempts. That's just amazingly bad for a guy that views himself in the same category as Wade (who by the way leads the pack in wFG%, is 3rd in PPP and 4th in PPS).

Also unsurprisingly, playing him cost the Bucks -5.32 points per 100 according to simple +/-.

A positive side node: Newly acquired Devin Harris leads the list with a +/- of +10.88.

Full stats

82games has him with a net +3.8 +/- per 100 possessions last year.

Also, in general terms, my read on his efficiency is that it's largely about shot selection. Maybe that's fixable with the right coaching, maybe it isn't. I'd make sure he was clear on the expectations in any recruiting visit, for sure. But if you *could* get him to cut his threes and dial back the unassisted pull-up 18 footers, his efficiency would be just fine, and the productivity wouldn't take much of a hit at all. That's enough for me to want the Mavs to take a close look at him.

EricaLubarsky · 07-08-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

To move the Monta Ellis debate out of the Bynum-topic: I compiled some regular season stats from last season on shooting guards >500 minutes (46 players)

Ellis ranks 35th in weighted FG%, 42nd in PPP, 41st in PPS while being in the top 10 of both usage and field goal attempts. That's just amazingly bad for a guy that views himself in the same category as Wade (who by the way leads the pack in wFG%, is 3rd in PPP and 4th in PPS).

Also unsurprisingly, playing him cost the Bucks -5.32 points per 100 according to simple +/-.

A positive side node: Newly acquired Devin Harris leads the list with a +/- of +10.88.

Full stats

I hate Ellis and all, but the team scored 5.8% more efficiently when he was on the floor (105.8 pp100 possessions vs. only 100 when he was out. His team shot 3% better from the floor (eFG%) when he was playing as well.

As for his own scoring efficiency, dude scored 63rd among qualified PGs in TS% and was 27th in PER. Those are both pretty troubling.

Underdog · 07-08-2013, 05:37 PM

The biggest issue with Ellis is cost... If he thinks he's a max player, then hell no. But if he's willing to sign for an amount closer to his actual talent level, then I'd be willing to consider him. He could at least be a valuable asset - for the right price.

EDIT: at this point, "the right price" is about $8m, since that's all the cap space we have. I wouldn't want to part with Marion or Carter to get him.

j0Shi · 07-08-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

82games has him with a net +3.8 +/- per 100 possessions last year.

Also, in general terms, my read on his efficiency is that it's largely about shot selection. Maybe that's fixable with the right coaching, maybe it isn't. I'd make sure he was clear on the expectations in any recruiting visit, for sure. But if you *could* get him to cut his threes and dial back the unassisted pull-up 18 footers, his efficiency would be just fine, and the productivity wouldn't take much of a hit at all. That's enough for me to want the Mavs to take a close look at him.

Numbers were limited to him playing the SG spot. He played about 700+ minutes of PG for the Bucks and that went pretty well (net +12.27, although his shooting stayed subpar). Overall I have him at +3.67.

Overall he doesn't strike me as a very coachable player, so I personally have a hard time believing that he would completely reshape his game and stop taking a ton of bad shots (essentially everything outside 3 feet where he has had a hard time cracking 40% in most seasons, 2012/2013: 33.3%). Of course Rick off and Dirk on the floor are factors I absolutely don't want to discount, but guys are what they are and not everybody can channel the inner Vince. For the same reason I always have been against J-Smoove in Dallas. Guy thinks he's Dirk but can build a Metroplex with his midrange bricks.

moogle · 07-08-2013, 07:20 PM

Does anyone else think that the Mavs are saving their cap space for a potential amnesty bid on Pau Gasol?

If the Mavs lose Bynum to Cleveland, then I'm pretty sure they'll set their eyes on Pau Gasol next. The Lakers claim they won't amnesty Gasol, but I think they're just blowing smoke. They are $12 million over the luxury tax, and it's almost impossible for them to avoid the repeater tax without using the amnesty on Gasol.

I suspect they specifically acquired Chris Kaman to replace him.

grndmstr_c · 07-08-2013, 07:37 PM

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Does anyone else think that the Mavs are saving their cap space for a potential amnesty bid on Pau Gasol?

If the Mavs lose Bynum to Cleveland, then I'm pretty sure they'll set their eyes on Pau Gasol next. The Lakers claim they won't amnesty Gasol, but I think they're just blowing smoke. They are $12 million over the luxury tax, and it's almost impossible for them to avoid the repeater tax without using the amnesty on Gasol.

I suspect they specifically acquired Chris Kaman to replace him.

I suspect they've got one eye on the waiver wire, and even if Bynum weren't in play would probably want to see who got the amnesty ax before spending money on (most of) the remaining guys on the market. I'm not very confident at this point that anybody worth talking about is going to get cut, but I'd wager Dallas would be very happy to bid on Pau, or Boozer, to name one other unlikely front-court amnesty candidate. I suspect they'd pounce on Salmons, as well, and he's perhaps more likely to be available.

LonghornDub · 07-08-2013, 08:07 PM

LA plans to amnesty MWP according to the OC Register, so Pau won't be on the market.

jasonic · 07-08-2013, 08:17 PM

I would love Pau playing next to Dirk. Of course he has declined since 2010 but i think one of the reasons was that he played at PF. If he will move to the Center position he 's going to play better, espesially in defense. However, i don't think that he 'll get amnestied.
Btw, do you remember after Paul won his second ring people said that he was the best European in the NBA(lol)?

SMC0007 · 07-08-2013, 08:46 PM

Why in the world would we be interested in Pau Gasol? He plays the same position as Dirk and can't play defense much better than Dirk if at all. You don't want to see them paired in a starting lineup unless there is absolutely no one that is mobile and can play D and grab rebounds. I'd rather not pay Gasol and roll with SArge than spend any money on another offensive minded "center".

Ninkobei · 07-08-2013, 10:20 PM

If Dallas can't put anything together this year, I hope Dirk signs with a competitor. I hate to see him waste his final years on a lottery team.

SeanL · 07-08-2013, 10:49 PM

Greg Oden

BGMaverick9 · 07-08-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Does anyone else think that the Mavs are saving their cap space for a potential amnesty bid on Pau Gasol?

If the Mavs lose Bynum to Cleveland, then I'm pretty sure they'll set their eyes on Pau Gasol next. The Lakers claim they won't amnesty Gasol, but I think they're just blowing smoke. They are $12 million over the luxury tax, and it's almost impossible for them to avoid the repeater tax without using the amnesty on Gasol.

I suspect they specifically acquired Chris Kaman to replace him.

Why the heck would they trust Kaman to stay healthy for 82 games?

He's an insurance policy and backup to Gasol.

jeffers94 · 07-08-2013, 11:00 PM

Dalembert anyone??? Lacking in motor but could be coached up

mavs777 · 07-08-2013, 11:03 PM

Mavs need to trade for a center if they don't get Bynum

OrlandoMavs · 07-08-2013, 11:23 PM

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Dalembert anyone??? Lacking in motor but could be coached up

First time poster here...

Saw Sam Dalembert at my store a couple of days ago...shoulda asked what was going on in terms of playing this year...

adonis · 07-08-2013, 11:27 PM

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If Dallas can't put anything together this year, I hope Dirk signs with a competitor. I hate to see him waste his final years on a lottery team.

Guy has nothing to prove any more. He's retiring a Mav.

yahyes · 07-08-2013, 11:40 PM

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Mavs need to trade for a center if they don't get Bynum

Demarcus Cousins.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kajqfyl

Maybe add Larkin and a draft pick too.

spreedom · 07-09-2013, 07:52 AM

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Demarcus Cousins.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kajqfyl

Maybe add Larkin and a draft pick too.

LOL... "maybe"

Budapest Maverick · 07-09-2013, 08:18 AM

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Demarcus Cousins.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kajqfyl

Maybe add Larkin and a draft pick too.

That's not even remotely close to being realistic. They need to add McLemore, and their 2014 first, unprotected.

Skywalker · 07-09-2013, 08:23 AM

spreedom · 07-09-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffers94

Dalembert anyone??? Lacking in motor but could be coached up

He's 32. At this point he is what he is. Actually, he might not even be that much any more.

Budapest Maverick · 07-09-2013, 10:32 AM

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Obviously i was being sarcastic.

It's ridiculous to think we would get Cousins for an expiring.

REEKO_HTOWN · 07-09-2013, 10:39 AM

Just heard one of your Dallas The Ticket hosts suggest a Dirk to Houston trade.

Dirk and maybe a PG for Asik, Motiejunas, Lin and a couple of picks.

I hope it's an option for both teams.

mavs777 · 07-09-2013, 10:40 AM

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Just heard one of your Dallas The Ticket hosts suggest a Dirk to Houston trade.

Dirk and maybe a PG for Asik, Motiejunas, Lin and a couple of picks.

I hope it's an option for both teams.

Ban plz

LonghornDub · 07-09-2013, 10:40 AM

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Just heard one of your Dallas The Ticket hosts suggest a Dirk to Houston trade.

Dirk and maybe a PG for Asik, Motiejunas, Lin and a couple of picks.

I hope it's an option for both teams.

LOLOLOLOL

REEKO_HTOWN · 07-09-2013, 10:42 AM

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Ban plz

I'm not trolling. It's YOUR radio host saying it.

REEKO_HTOWN · 07-09-2013, 10:44 AM

Either way it's only one season. Dirk could easily come back to the Mavs in 2014. You get assets for a loan basically.

oilfieldtrash · 07-09-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

Just heard one of your Dallas The Ticket hosts suggest a Dirk to Houston trade.

Dirk and maybe a PG for Asik, Motiejunas, Lin and a couple of picks.

I hope it's an option for both teams.

I'd actually love for Dirk to finish his career with Harden and Howard. He deserves more than the garbage Cuban has put together. The trade package you've put together would get you laughed out of the room though. Dirk is a nba legend that would guarantee Htown a title and you're bringing that to the table?

mavs777 · 07-09-2013, 10:46 AM

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I'm not trolling. It's YOUR radio host saying it.

We don't claim Lan locker

REEKO_HTOWN · 07-09-2013, 10:52 AM

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I'd actually love for Dirk to finish his career with Harden and Howard. He deserves more than the garbage Cuban has put together. The trade package you've put together would get you laughed out of the room though. Dirk is a nba legend that would guarantee Htown a title and you're bringing that to the table?

Pierce and Garnett are NBA legends and all The Celtics got back for them was Trash and 2 first rounders

JCmasta · 07-09-2013, 10:54 AM

I made a red wedding (game of thrones) reference a couple of days ago, but Dirk going to Houston would be much...muchmuchmuch worse than that.

A team with Harden-Dirk-Howard would win the next couple of titles, my heart would turn to stone, i would no longer watch basketball, and i would curse Mark Cuban until the end of my days.

oilfieldtrash · 07-09-2013, 11:02 AM

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Pierce and Garnett are NBA legends and all The Celtics got back for them was Trash and 2 first rounders

Celtics already offered Rondo.