STD (@#$show thread daily): Mavs suckage

[DevinHarriswillstart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RZm...el=PandaHank41

Two games in a row where Lively has done the euro step to the basket. This guy is gonna be scary good next season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Shoutout to Pops. Wemby is an unusual specimen and Pops knows how to use him to peak effect.

Wemby is so dominant defensively in the middle that it put us on our heels. Luka was all but shutdown as a scorer (couldn't hit threes, stifled inside, didn't have much midrange this game). That forced Mavs to do what they are terrible at (shooting threes) which meant that only Gafford/Lively were in the paint for rebounds.

Lost big on the boards
Lost the fast break
lost the FT battle
outshot from three
Lost the defensive stat (stl+blk) 16-9

We would have lost this game without:
1) Kyrie - dominant midrange game and sneaky effective game up close against defense
2) Gafford/Lively got us 25pts, 13reb, 2blk
3) Decent defense. We weren't great at the three, but we were disruptive enough forcing TOs and defending the paint
4) Exum dominance. His 4-4 from three lifted us over the top. Without him, our three point shooting would have been 26%

[EricaLubarsky]

Dwight Powell since the Gafford trade

9 DNP - CDs out of 19 games (playing in only around half of games)

44 minutes played in those 10 games (4.4mpg in the games he plays)

Only one game where he played 10+ mpg and it was the Detroit game where Lively was out and it was a blowout

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dwight Powell since the Gafford trade

9 DNP - CDs out of 19 games (playing in only around half of games)

44 minutes played in those 10 games (4.4mpg in the games he plays)

Only one game where he played 10+ mpg and it was the Detroit game where Lively was out and it was a blowout

Took 10+ years for the Mavs to figure out they could win games at the 5 position. Even with KP, they started Powell next to him. Monumentally stupid.

Lively/Gafford this game...25/13/2.

[LukaMagic]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We would have lost this game without:
1) Kyrie - dominant midrange game and sneaky effective game up close against defense
2) Gafford/Lively got us 25pts, 13reb, 2blk
3) Decent defense. We weren't great at the three, but we were disruptive enough forcing TOs and defending the paint
4) Exum dominance. His 4-4 from three lifted us over the top. Without him, our three point shooting would have been 26%

This game first showed just how great of a player Luka Doncic is. So lets take a look at his numbers. Luka had

18 Points
10 Rebounds and
16 ASSISTS.

That is A GREAT RECORD for an away game. That is a triple double with a solid 18 points and rather very, very exceptional 16 assists. That's what that game showed. Just how great Luka is. Everyone assumes he had a bad night WITH THOSE NUMBERS. And if you think about it, those numbers are rather great for anyone.

And THAT is what is missing from what you wrote. So you need to add that probably under number 2. I suppose that most of those 25 of Gafford/Lively's points came from Luka's assists. 16 assists translates into a minimum of 32 points.

I guess that a triple double with 16 assists in an away game is worth mentioning?

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Mavs vs. Nuggets team stats
3pt% - Mavs 25.7% Nuggs 43%
Rebounds - Mavs 60 Nuggs 37
Pts in the Paint Mavs - 62 Nuggs 38

While I understand the complaints regarding PJ shooting 3s, it seems to me that is all by design. That is the JKidd designed offense. Either Kidd needs to adapt to PJs strenghts or you should look to trade him in the offseason for a perimeter shooter. I guess the third option is for PJ to work on his perimeter game during the offseason and hope he can develop a better shot. PJ collected 11 rebounds and the Mavs kept the Nuggets to 105 pts. Personally, I can live with his poor shooting. All is good.

Dante is becoming more of that 3rd option that they were trying to make PJ into

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by LukaMagic

This game first showed just how great of a player Luka Doncic is. So lets take a look at his numbers. Luka had

18 Points
10 Rebounds and
16 ASSISTS.

That is A GREAT RECORD for an away game. That is a triple double with a solid 18 points and rather very, very exceptional 16 assists. That's what that game showed. Just how great Luka is. Everyone assumes he had a bad night WITH THOSE NUMBERS. And if you think about it, those numbers are rather great for anyone.

And THAT is what is missing from what you wrote. So you need to add that probably under number 2. I suppose that most of those 25 of Gafford/Lively's points came from Luka's assists. 16 assists translates into a minimum of 32 points.

I guess that a triple double with 16 assists in an away game is worth mentioning?

nothing wrong with pointing out the contributions of others and how important that is in a game when Luka was clearly off. of course Luka is important still even when he's not shooting well and of course he still makes our offense hum and helps others contribute with his passing. If you want to mention it go ahead but no need to insist that someone else posts about it.

[G-Man]

I don't post here much anymore, even though I read here regularly. Too many posters are overwhelmly negative.

So here's some positives.

Mavs beat the best team in the West on a day when no one not named Luka or Kylie could hit the broad side of a barn, except the centers. PJ, Kleiber and THJ played 66 minutes and together scored 6 points, But they hustled their butts off, and stood tall against Denver's runs.

They barely lost to the next best team in the West, without Luka

And they won on one of Luka's shooting nights ever.

Hustle. Defense. Rebounding. All the things fans here have been begging for.

That ought to be good for a few more positive posts.

[dirt_dobber]

Dang 2003 Scoobay and 2004 G-Man - great posts.

[Melonhead]

Good to see a win after Luka shot the worst of his career. Don?t think at any point pre trade deadline would that have been a win except when Brunson was going off in 2022.

They?re finally a contending team and with a couple of tweaks could be more dangerous for the next few seasons.

Something looming though?what do we do about the josh green issue? He had a little stretch around the deadline where we thought he?s finally gelling with Luka. That went away pretty quick. He?s not great defensively and his 3 is inconsistent. Provides energy but it?s not always a guarantee.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Good to see a win after Luka shot the worst of his career. Don?t think at any point pre trade deadline would that have been a win except when Brunson was going off in 2022.

They?re finally a contending team and with a couple of tweaks could be more dangerous for the next few seasons.

Something looming though?what do we do about the josh green issue? He had a little stretch around the deadline where we thought he?s finally gelling with Luka. That went away pretty quick. He?s not great defensively and his 3 is inconsistent. Provides energy but it?s not always a guarantee.

Green is just a poor fit for the team. He needs more offensive freedom somewhere else I think.

PJ has a similar issue on offense, but he defends and rebounds better so it works.

It's hard to get a solid 3rd guy though when Kyrie and Luke dominate the ball so much. A lot of this is be design.

[LukaMagic]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Luka, buddy, we need you to...

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[saclare]

I'm still of the belief that Josh Green can be a solid contributor to the team this season. He's simply gotta stay healthy...

If it doesn't happen, it's a fairly attractive piece in an offseason trade to retool the roster.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Green's issue is that he isn't hitting his threes lately. That's the only way it's gonna work since we now need three point shooting.

But I'm not sure he isn't out for the season at least until the playoffs. Sounds like it's more serious than they are letting on.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by saclare

I'm still of the belief that Josh Green can be a solid contributor to the team this season. He's simply gotta stay healthy...

If it doesn't happen, it's a fairly attractive piece in an offseason trade to retool the roster.

I think we are a defensive oriented starter caliber SG/SF who can dog perimeter oriented players from being something really special.
Someone like Marcus Smart comes to mind.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I think we are a defensive oriented starter caliber SG/SF who can dog perimeter oriented players from being something really special.
Someone like Marcus Smart comes to mind.

Those are hard to find...
who else is on the short list?
Jrue Holiday?
Caruso?

Need someone who's at least decent on offense though. No more Tony Allen's running around like in the old days.

Is OMP that guy? Exum is our poor man's version.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

Those are hard to find...
who else is on the short list?
Jrue Holiday?
Caruso?

Need someone who's at least decent on offense though. No more Tony Allen's running around like in the old days.

Is OMP that guy? Exum is our poor man's version.

I like Exum

I think he's a good option to close games because he's more of a 2 way threat than Green, PJ and DJJ

He's the one guy out of that group who can hit big shots down the stretch

And he defends pretty good

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I think we are a defensive oriented starter caliber SG/SF who can dog perimeter oriented players from being something really special.
Someone like Marcus Smart comes to mind.

Isn't that exactly Green's draft profile?

I mean, I'd trade him for OG in a second if we didn't have to give up assets both because of Green's injuries and inconsistency, but A) We have almost no assets so we can't waste assets and B) I think it's too early to give up on him. Just look at his run:

Jerked around by Rick
Jerked around by Kidd
Injured and out
Put it together and was a great two-way guy
Kyrie came and changed everything
Green jerked around by all the lineup changes and the new system
Green finally got things going
the offense completely changed with Gafford and PJail
Adjustments threw him off again
Before he could get back in rhythm, he got injured

I'd say that if he could get healthy, he'd be EXACTLY what we need.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Green's issue is that he isn't hitting his threes lately. That's the only way it's gonna work since we now need three point shooting.

But I'm not sure he isn't out for the season at least until the playoffs. Sounds like it's more serious than they are letting on.

That turn looked nasty and high up on the ankle. Like 3-4 weeks was my initial guess.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Isn't that exactly Green's draft profile?

I mean, I'd trade him for OG in a second if we didn't have to give up assets both because of Green's injuries and inconsistency, but A) We have almost no assets so we can't waste assets and B) I think it's too early to give up on him. Just look at his run:

Jerked around by Rick
Jerked around by Kidd
Injured and out
Put it together and was a great two-way guy
Kyrie came and changed everything
Green jerked around by all the lineup changes and the new system
Green finally got things going
the offense completely changed with Gafford and PJail
Adjustments threw him off again
Before he could get back in rhythm, he got injured

I'd say that if he could get healthy, he'd be EXACTLY what we need.

He tries hard defensively but he?s horrible in the most basic screens and gets bullied by guys bigger than him. His 3s are very hit and miss. He?ll have a few good weeks and then it disappears. I feel like the team is in a little better groove without him starting.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Isn't that exactly Green's draft profile?

I mean, I'd trade him for OG in a second if we didn't have to give up assets both because of Green's injuries and inconsistency, but A) We have almost no assets so we can't waste assets and B) I think it's too early to give up on him. Just look at his run:

Jerked around by Rick
Jerked around by Kidd
Injured and out
Put it together and was a great two-way guy
Kyrie came and changed everything
Green jerked around by all the lineup changes and the new system
Green finally got things going
the offense completely changed with Gafford and PJail
Adjustments threw him off again
Before he could get back in rhythm, he got injured

I'd say that if he could get healthy, he'd be EXACTLY what we need.

Imagine bane over green right about now

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Timmy dogpoo 0-3. Like, just play Hardy over him for good already. This isn't difficult.

[Melonhead]

I?m okay never seeing thj or pj shoot a 3 again.

[Dallas41]

Honestly I'm surprised that team is winning games despite the lack of a 3rd option.

It could hurt them in the playoffs but they are winning as of now because the rebounding has greatly improved and the defense went from terrible to respectable

I'd just hate to see Luka or kyrie have an off game in the playoffs

[Melonhead]

What a fucking play put that on Luka MVP reel

[Dallas41]

Sacramento lost

[Melonhead]

If we can escape this game without serious injury it?ll be a success

[Melonhead]

It?s so nice to have centers and size. We don?t have to watch shoot outs and hope we make more. Really a dream come true

[Melonhead]

Damn I love this team

[blessednegr0]

I am going to say it every game.. Why are THJ and Maxi getting so many minutes?

[Melonhead]

I want to see Hardy as much as the next guy but THJ Maxi Hardy on the floor together is so dumb.

Thj and maxi extended minutes are just like shooting yourself in the foot. Up 17 to only up 8. Absolutely pathetic

[DevinHarriswillstart]

We should be up by 30. This is why you just can't count on this team to simply take care of business.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I want to see Hardy as much as the next guy but THJ Maxi Hardy on the floor together is so dumb.

Thj and maxi extended minutes are just like shooting yourself in the foot. Up 17 to only up 8. Absolutely pathetic

Well nobody on planet earth should want to see those three on the floor at the same time. Only the worst coach in the league would do that.

[Melonhead]

HARDY

[Melonhead]

Gafford is a got damn menace on the floor

[Dallas41]

PJ has got start being able to finish inside.

Don't expect his outside shot to improve but man he's not been good even when around the paint

But thank God for getting Gafford he was definitely the best overall pickup of the two

[Melonhead]

Lead quickly expands once Maxi and THj are sitting. Defense picked up substantially

[Melonhead]

Gafford is scary good. Jazz have no interest in guarding him

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Good, up 20. Glad they listened to me.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

PJ has got start being able to finish inside.

Don't expect his outside shot to improve but man he's not been good even when around the paint

But thank God for getting Gafford he was definitely the best overall pickup of the two

Look Ma, more PJ bashing.