03-18-2021, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tap2390
And I expect Mavs fans to continue to bitch about every move the FO makes despite the fact that since 2017 (they year we started getting "good" draft picks) we've added Luka Doncic, Jalen Brunson, Kristaps Porzingis (by way of Dennis Smith Jr.), and three promising rookies this year.
Edit: By the way hindsight is 20/20. Please show me where you were clamoring for Saddiq Bey prior to the draft.
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I'm not paid to make those decisions but get to complain about them from here for free just like you can do your job of protecting all decisions always.
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03-18-2021, 10:32 PM
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I'm not paid to make those decisions but get to complain about them from here for free just like you can do your job of protecting all decisions always.
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I don’t agree with a lot of stuff the FO does. I don’t agree with a lot of what Carlisle does.
That being said, I’m not going to judge any rookies from a half season sample when they barely had a training camp or chance to get acclimated. No one has any idea who’s going to blossom and who’s going to bust. Saddiq Bey is having a great rookie season. Cool. So did Michael Carter Williams. So did Dennis Smith Jr. Bringing it up every thread isn’t helpful or in any way a meaningful contribution.
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03-18-2021, 11:16 PM
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I'm sure that Carlisle wants rookies to "prove" they deserve minutes. And with the VERY limited amount of practice time that is available this season, there is very little opportunity
When you have a suck team like the Pistons, it is a little less important to have rookies earn their minutes
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03-19-2021, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MFFL
I'm sure that Carlisle wants rookies to "prove" they deserve minutes. And with the VERY limited amount of practice time that is available this season, there is very little opportunity
When you have a suck team like the Pistons, it is a little less important to have rookies earn their minutes
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Why does everyone assume only bad teams play rookies?
I just posted a list of rookies that are getting quality minutes for playoff contending teams this year.
Do some research fellas their are some solid rookies who were not lottery picks that are consistently getting rotation minutes on teams that are currently equal to or better than our Mavs.
Did those rookies have more practice time than the Mavs rookies or more training camp time?
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03-19-2021, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dallas41
Do some research fellas their are some solid rookies who were not lottery picks that are consistently getting rotation minutes on teams that are currently equal to or better than our Mavs.
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For someone who accuses others for not reading posts, you sure glossed over mine
I said CARLISLE wants rookies to "prove" they deserve minutes
I might not agree with it but HE is the coach and that is one of HIS quirks. Carlisle only seems to play cerebral point guards as rookies - see Brunson and Yogi
If you want to use this as a point to replace Carlisle then that's another discussion but this is the way he is
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03-19-2021, 10:11 AM
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03-19-2021, 10:15 AM
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** double post
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03-19-2021, 10:15 AM
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I posted this in the Clippers GDT but I'll post it here since people are talking about the rookies not getting minutes.
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Do I wish the rookies would get minutes so we could see what they are and so they could develop? Yes. Do I agree with the way Carlisle has always kept his young players on such a short leash? Nope. Never have.
That being said, it's very unrealistic to expect second round picks to get consistent minutes in their rookie seasons, particularly for playoff teams. And as for Green, yes I wish we could see more of him, but in fairness to Rick, the little bit we have seen of Green this season didn't exactly make me clamor for more. Rookies have to earn their minutes like everyone else, and Green looked very raw every time he stepped out there, and he couldn't hit the broadside of barn- which is very disconcerting considering we drafted him to be a 3-and-D specialist. Nothing I saw from Green so far made me think he deserved minutes over any of the other guys on the roster. Carlisle has always been too conservative with his young players, yes, but in this particular instance, he might be right to let them cut their teeth in the G-League.
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03-19-2021, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
I posted this in the Clippers GDT but I'll post it here since people are talking about the rookies not getting minutes.
Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson View Post
Do I wish the rookies would get minutes so we could see what they are and so they could develop? Yes. Do I agree with the way Carlisle has always kept his young players on such a short leash? Nope. Never have.
That being said, it's very unrealistic to expect second round picks to get consistent minutes in their rookie seasons, particularly for playoff teams. And as for Green, yes I wish we could see more of him, but in fairness to Rick, the little bit we have seen of Green this season didn't exactly make me clamor for more. Rookies have to earn their minutes like everyone else, and Green looked very raw every time he stepped out there, and he couldn't hit the broadside of barn- which is very disconcerting considering we drafted him to be a 3-and-D specialist. Nothing I saw from Green so far made me think he deserved minutes over any of the other guys on the roster. Carlisle has always been too conservative with his young players, yes, but in this particular instance, he might be right to let them cut their teeth in the G-League.
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I agree you have to be selective in when you play these guys and I don't agree with a fixed amount of minutes per game quota.
The problem is, outside of the desperation of needing bodies during the covid stretch, they haven't played. Some scrap minutes here and there but nothing meaningful. Rick has to do a better job of finding a way to get them in and there have been opportunities to do so. Reps in practice isn't enough.
James Johnson, Burk and Powell have been underwhelming to quite bad this season so it would be easy to supplement some minutes from those 3. I thought Green was fine when he played, Given the fact that we had a tiny offseason and there wasn't normal practice schedules. Green was never going to be a shooter like Bane coming out, and I highly doubt he ever will. I thought we got him for his A and D, Athleticism and Defense, and He has shown both.
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03-19-2021, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
I agree you have to be selective in when you play these guys and I don't agree with a fixed amount of minutes per game quota.
The problem is, outside of the desperation of needing bodies during the covid stretch, they haven't played. Some scrap minutes here and there but nothing meaningful. Rick has to do a better job of finding a way to get them in and there have been opportunities to do so. Reps in practice isn't enough.
James Johnson, Burk and Powell have been underwhelming to quite bad this season so it would be easy to supplement some minutes from those 3. I thought Green was fine when he played, Given the fact that we had a tiny offseason and there wasn't normal practice schedules. Green was never going to be a shooter like Bane coming out, and I highly doubt he ever will. I thought we got him for his A and D, Athleticism and Defense, and He has shown both.
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I'm with you. I think pretty much everyone is. These guys need to get their feet wet at some point. Unfortunately, this just comes with the territory with Carlisle, always has been. Some coaches just don't trust rookies, and Carlisle is one of them.
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03-23-2021, 09:02 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/22/nba-...the-price.html
Some conjecture that the deal will include buying out local networks and also potentially moving streaming onto Hulu or something similar
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03-23-2021, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
I agree you have to be selective in when you play these guys and I don't agree with a fixed amount of minutes per game quota.
The problem is, outside of the desperation of needing bodies during the covid stretch, they haven't played. Some scrap minutes here and there but nothing meaningful. Rick has to do a better job of finding a way to get them in and there have been opportunities to do so. Reps in practice isn't enough.
James Johnson, Burk and Powell have been underwhelming to quite bad this season so it would be easy to supplement some minutes from those 3. I thought Green was fine when he played, Given the fact that we had a tiny offseason and there wasn't normal practice schedules. Green was never going to be a shooter like Bane coming out, and I highly doubt he ever will. I thought we got him for his A and D, Athleticism and Defense, and He has shown both.
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I mentioned before but if you watch Golden St the kid Nico Mannion plays every night now.
He had that stint in the G-League and since coming back Kerr has played him some quality minutes.
Dude played with Green out here in Arizona and I know for a fact Green is the better player amongst the two.
Nico was a 2nd round pick and he was slowly moved in to the rotation.
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03-24-2021, 10:05 PM
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Mavs .737 over the last 19 games (14-5)
Mavs have now climbed from 14th in the west to 7th
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03-24-2021, 10:47 PM
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i think it will be interesting to see how teams start gearing up for the playoffs when they have about 7-8 games remaining. I like what I've seen from the Mavs the past month or month and a half. I'm cautiously optimistic about how they'll finish out the regular season.
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03-26-2021, 08:47 AM
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From the Athletic
J.J. Barea could be added back to the roster if the Mavericks wanted due to the NBA clause in his Spanish ACB contract; he’s started the past six games for Movistar Estudiantes and scored double figures in each.
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03-26-2021, 11:24 AM
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From the Athletic
J.J. Barea could be added back to the roster if the Mavericks wanted due to the NBA clause in his Spanish ACB contract; he’s started the past six games for Movistar Estudiantes and scored double figures in each.
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Whoo hoo! That would be great. Can't wait to see a lineup with Brunson, JJB, and Burke.
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03-28-2021, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SMC0007
I agree you have to be selective in when you play these guys and I don't agree with a fixed amount of minutes per game quota.
The problem is, outside of the desperation of needing bodies during the covid stretch, they haven't played. Some scrap minutes here and there but nothing meaningful. Rick has to do a better job of finding a way to get them in and there have been opportunities to do so. Reps in practice isn't enough.
James Johnson, Burk and Powell have been underwhelming to quite bad this season so it would be easy to supplement some minutes from those 3. I thought Green was fine when he played, Given the fact that we had a tiny offseason and there wasn't normal practice schedules. Green was never going to be a shooter like Bane coming out, and I highly doubt he ever will. I thought we got him for his A and D, Athleticism and Defense, and He has shown both.
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Bane is athletic like Green but also good at basketball.
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03-31-2021, 10:52 AM
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#unconfirmedreports #anonymoussources
Mavericks allegedly potentially possibly interested in Knicks' center Mitchell Robinson:
Mitchell Robinson’s contract saga with Knicks now seems clear-cut
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To solidify his future, the Knicks had a chance to not exercise the team option and allow him to become a restricted free agent. Then the Knicks could match any offer that wasn’t deemed outrageous.
By doing so, it would prevent the Knicks from the risk of losing Robinson as an unrestricted free agent in 2022, with one NBA source believing Dallas will have an eye out for the center
Saturday’s injury has changed matters considerably. The Knicks don’t know enough about the player they have, or about his durability after undergoing two surgeries this season and various ailments in his previous two seasons
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Robinson's season has ended with surgery on a broken foot, four games after returning from a six-week layoff for a broken hand.
Knicks had developed a better-than-average 2-man center rotation with Robinson and Nerlens "Press Buffet Hot Dog" Noel, the latter of whom is actually making a reasonable contribution to an improved Knicks team this year.
Robinson would be the right type of player to complement Porzingis in the frontcourt-- elite-ish athlete, very good movement, good defender, elite shot-blocker who was just beginning to learn to challenge shots without getting into foul trouble. In addition, he was almost exclusively an opportunistic scorer--converting lobs, and hoovering up offensive boards for put-back dunks, so he would not have competed with Porzingis for touches or shots. Robinson did not have a discernible offensive move beyond dunking, however, let alone 3-point range, so debatable as to what kind of minutes he'd get under Future Former-Guy.
Robinson has shown superior athleticism, and had improved significantly under Thibs. Damned shame about the injury, which kind of puts a damper on the NYKs' seasons and any serious playoff aspirations.
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03-31-2021, 11:05 AM
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You know it's 100% BS when
1) It's the NY Post
2) They use two qualifiers. It's both alleged and potential? It's not enough to say that the Mavs are potentially interested in him or allegedly interested? We're allegedly potentially interested?
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03-31-2021, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
You know it's 100% BS when
1) It's the NY Post
2) They use two qualifiers. It's both alleged and potential? It's not enough to say that the Mavs are potentially interested in him or allegedly interested? We're allegedly potentially interested?
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Article was by Mark Berman, take it for what it's worth.
The qualifiers were my own editorial commentary--allegedly, potentially, AND possibly--suggesting my own dubious regard for the speculation.
The flipside of Robinson is that he seems somewhat shall we say intellectually immature, having gone through six agents in ~3 years, and having dumped former Knick David Lee as an agent in exchange for a pickup truck, this alleged bribery being the subject of a lawsuit by Mr. Lee. Robinson is not named as a defendant.
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03-31-2021, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr
Article was by Mark Berman, take it for what it's worth.
The qualifiers were my own editorial commentary.
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Ah! Sorry! That was brilliant commentary for what it's worth. I even read it, and didn't see that that wasn't included!
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04-02-2021, 09:46 AM
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Mavs-Knicks tonight. Anyone interested in the GDT?
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04-02-2021, 04:21 PM
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04-19-2021, 10:15 PM
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The Dallas Mavericks have fired director of player personnel Tony Ronzone after sexual assault allegations were published against him in a Sports Illustrated report last year, according to The Dallas Morning News’ Bread Townsend.
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04-19-2021, 10:33 PM
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The Dallas Mavericks have fired director of player personnel Tony Ronzone after sexual assault allegations were published against him in a Sports Illustrated report last year, according to The Dallas Morning News’ Bread Townsend.
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Sure hope he did not hurt someone else? Or should we ask, why now do you fire the guy 9 mounts after the SI article?
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04-19-2021, 11:50 PM
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Damn Saddiq Bey dropped a 6 for 11 3 point performance tonight in a 20 point effort.
Good little profile from last month on how he growing his offensive repertoire to be a more effective passer. Although most wanted the Mavs to pick Bey, and many to most insiders thought they would, how could you pass on the shorter less good at basketball Josh Green?
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/...efense-profile
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05-25-2021, 06:32 PM
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Who is down with Lauri Markkanen joining the Mavericks next season? If he does, I hope we can get him more field goal attempts. His percentages mimic those of Dirk. Problem is that he shoots it 8 or so fewer times per game at the same age.
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05-25-2021, 06:53 PM
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Who is down with Lauri Markkanen joining the Mavericks next season? If he does, I hope we can get him more field goal attempts. His percentages mimic those of Dirk. Problem is that he shoots it 8 or so fewer times per game at the same age.
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Unless you can get him at $12-15 million per yr AND move Porzingis without taking back bad contracts Markkanen doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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05-25-2021, 08:52 PM
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Unless you can get him at $12-15 million per yr AND move Porzingis without taking back bad contracts Markkanen doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly. They are too similar in play style, and both are injury prone.
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05-27-2021, 07:44 PM
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Mavs are confident that they can re-sign THJ. This makes me think that they will not be signing a big name free agent. I'd be thrilled to see THJ return personally. Also I think he'll be given a huge contract, which will stop us from signing any free agent aside from potentially Markkanen, right? He wants to come to Dallas, but is that only if we can offer him more than $15 million?
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05-28-2021, 01:06 AM
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Mavs are confident that they can re-sign THJ. This makes me think that they will not be signing a big name free agent. I'd be thrilled to see THJ return personally. Also I think he'll be given a huge contract, which will stop us from signing any free agent aside from potentially Markkanen, right? He wants to come to Dallas, but is that only if we can offer him more than $15 million?
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There simply aren't any big name free agents. None that are realistic targets for Dallas anyway. This is maybe the worst free agent class I've ever seen.
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05-28-2021, 09:05 AM
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There simply aren't any big name free agents. None that are realistic targets for Dallas anyway. This is maybe the worst free agent class I've ever seen.
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It's definitely not a dense FA pool, but there are some decent players that could be attainable. The front office could do themselves a favor if they could land a solid contributor in the weeds here.
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The Mavericks are the only team left in the playoffs that have won an NBA title in my lifetime. I am 35.
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06-12-2021, 12:31 PM
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Sinclair Broadcast Group is quietly raising money for a new service to stream Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association and National Hockey League games to fans over the Internet, The Post has learned. The publicly traded media company — which owns exclusive rights to broadcast games for teams like the St. Louis Cardinals and the Dallas Mavericks — is working with investment bank LionTree to raise more than $250 million for the venture, according to two sources with knowledge of the plans. 2 days ago – via Josh Kosman @ New York Post
Hopefully they get it figured out before next season.
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06-24-2021, 10:34 AM
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One Dallas establishment stays so faithful to the Mavericks that they have banned poorly-performing players of the home team from visiting their venue. Yes, an entertainment venue in Rockwall, Texas called Shenaniganz has banned Lamar Odom, Rajon Rondo and DeAndre Jordan from visiting the place. A patron noticed the funny oddity and shared a photo on social media that went viral. What do all three men have in common? They are all current or former NBA players who had terrible tenures with the Mavericks. “They could crawl here on hands and knees from whatever city they’re living in and beg, and we still wouldn’t let them inside,” Shenaniganz co-owner Parker Coddington told WFAA. – via Larry Brown Sports
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06-25-2021, 12:56 PM
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For someone who accuses others for not reading posts, you sure glossed over mine
I said CARLISLE wants rookies to "prove" they deserve minutes
I might not agree with it but HE is the coach and that is one of HIS quirks. Carlisle only seems to play cerebral point guards as rookies - see Brunson and Yogi
If you want to use this as a point to replace Carlisle then that's another discussion but this is the way he is
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Carlisle HATES unforced turnovers. Who does he especially hate those from? PG's. Who is likely to have lots of unforced turnovers? Rookie guards. Hard to really fault that mindset...but easy to see how it impacts people getting minutes.
You also have to consider he was never in a 'this is a rebuild year' situation. Always trying to win. Playing those rookies, while perhaps beneficial long term, was mostly never going to improve the Mavs ability to win now. In different situations, his rotations might well look different.
You also have to look at what the Mavs needed at the time. Take Green, for example. Mavs struggled offensively quite a bit this year. Was he going to help or hurt them offensively? Hurt, clearly. That alone really limited his playing opportunities. Where could he then best develop his skills? G league. Which is where he went. It should also be noted he didn't exactly tear it up there, either.
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Carlisle HATES unforced turnovers. Who does he especially hate those from? PG's. Who is likely to have lots of unforced turnovers? Rookie guards. Hard to really fault that mindset...but easy to see how it impacts people getting minutes.
You also have to consider he was never in a 'this is a rebuild year' situation. Always trying to win. Playing those rookies, while perhaps beneficial long term, was mostly never going to improve the Mavs ability to win now. In different situations, his rotations might well look different.
You also have to look at what the Mavs needed at the time. Take Green, for example. Mavs struggled offensively quite a bit this year. Was he going to help or hurt them offensively? Hurt, clearly. That alone really limited his playing opportunities. Where could he then best develop his skills? G league. Which is where he went. It should also be noted he didn't exactly tear it up there, either.
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Even when we got the pick for Luka we stupidly kept trying to win games because of "culture". We lost tie breaker and moved from 3rd to 5th iirc and then had to trade a future pick to get Luka. That kind of shit really hurts when compounded with the free agency failures.
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06-25-2021, 02:55 PM
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One Dallas establishment stays so faithful to the Mavericks that they have banned poorly-performing players of the home team from visiting their venue. Yes, an entertainment venue in Rockwall, Texas called Shenaniganz has banned Lamar Odom, Rajon Rondo and DeAndre Jordan from visiting the place. A patron noticed the funny oddity and shared a photo on social media that went viral. What do all three men have in common? They are all current or former NBA players who had terrible tenures with the Mavericks. “They could crawl here on hands and knees from whatever city they’re living in and beg, and we still wouldn’t let them inside,” Shenaniganz co-owner Parker Coddington told WFAA. – via Larry Brown Sports
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I've been to Shenaniganz and I highly doubt those players could give a damn about that place lol.....probably the last place they'd even go to in Dallas lol.
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06-26-2021, 04:45 AM
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Green is horrible. He looked lost. Can't shoot.
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