Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 47 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

purplefrog · 07-10-2023, 04:56 PM

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This.

Plus I think Capela might be the perfect fit because
1) he does what we need him to do (hard picks, rebounding, anchoring defense) so we can compete this year
2) he's a vet who can show Lively around. Powell has the attitude. Chandler can answer questions and mentor. Capela can show him on the court and in real-time.
3) only has a two-year contract which should fit Lively's development perfectly. In two years if we want him back, we move Lively to starter and maybe resign Capela to a smaller deal

Other perfect guys who more or less have the same situation: Drummond, Allen (younger but AMAZING attitude), Lopez (not available), Gobert (probably not available but fits the mold of the aging defensive vet)

Guys who I DON'T want AKA don't fit that niche: Ayton (ego, still making his name), Vucevic (offense-first center, terrible defense, not a good role model for Lively), Nurkic (same)

How about Jonas V.? There has been some chatter that the Pels are/were looking to move him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2023, 06:38 PM

These little "insiders" crack me up, but honestly, it is totally believable that the Mavs would be too good for Capela. Why we never get a center.

https://twitter.com/nbainsidergoat/s...38895519256576

At least they are "interested" again. Haha.

EricaLubarsky · 07-10-2023, 10:43 PM

Mavs? Grant Williams Sign & Trade Not Official; Could Dallas Expand to 5-Team Deal?

The Dallas Mavericks initially agreed to a three-team trade with the Bostons Celtics and San Antonio Spurs to acquire Grant Williams. If the Atlanta Hawks wants Toronto Raptors' Pascal Siakam, perhaps the Mavs can get Clint Capela in an expanded five-team trade.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...m-clint-capela

Melonhead · 07-10-2023, 11:51 PM

If it happens, I?d say they damn near fixed everything in one offseason. But I?m not getting my hopes up at all. Feels like they?re done. Fully expect to be going in preseason with Holmes/Powell.

Melonhead · 07-10-2023, 11:58 PM

Jared Dudley on Hardy:

"I thought [Jaden Hardy] played terribly [in the] first half. He wasn't listening to the play calls, dropping his head, going too fast, turning the ball over. [Shammgod] had a good halftime speech. I came in to follow him, talking to him about slowing down, making the right reads [and] that we were going to score enough points."

Something to keep an eye on but that doesn?t sound great to hear.

Scoobay · 07-11-2023, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Jared Dudley on Hardy:

"I thought [Jaden Hardy] played terribly [in the] first half. He wasn't listening to the play calls, dropping his head, going too fast, turning the ball over. [Shammgod] had a good halftime speech. I came in to follow him, talking to him about slowing down, making the right reads [and] that we were going to score enough points."

Something to keep an eye on but that doesn?t sound great to hear.

Eh hard to say? young player maybe pressing to do too much
Seems like he responded with a better second half. Something to take to heart hopefully

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

Eh hard to say? young player maybe pressing to do too much
Seems like he responded with a better second half. Something to take to heart hopefully

Yeah, that doesn?t bother me at all. Sounds like just about every young player ever. He responded exactly the right way, it sounds like.

rimrocker · 07-11-2023, 02:35 AM

I'm tapping the brakes a bit on expectations of Hardy's ceiling. I thought he had star potential but thinking he might just have a solid career as a 6th man role player.
I'd be perfectly fine with another JET though.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm tapping the brakes a bit on expectations of Hardy's ceiling. I thought he had star potential but thinking he might just have a solid career as a 6th man role player.
I'd be perfectly fine with another JET though.

Why are you tapping the brakes? Just curious. Because I've seen nothing at all to discourage expectations of his ceiling. In fact, everything I've seen from him as only encouraged me. When we first got his draft rights, I figured he was so raw that it would be at least a year before he saw anything other than garbage time, but he actually contributed quite a bit last year, and showed flashes of real brilliance. So as far as I'm concerned, he's way ahead of schedule.

I can't guarantee that he'll be a star, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he can't. I think he might easily be a 20+ per game guy a bit down the road. If anything, I think the only thing that will prevent him from doing that in Dallas is being behind Luka and Kyrie, and simply not getting enough shots.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2023, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm tapping the brakes a bit on expectations of Hardy's ceiling. I thought he had star potential but thinking he might just have a solid career as a 6th man role player.
I'd be perfectly fine with another JET though.

Are you basing this on the game you watched or Dudley's quotes?

Summer league means didly doo. Hardy didn't have a good summer league last summer and then destroyed the G league eventually becoming a rotation player in the second half of the season.

He is a young energy guy that gets carried away. That really is his main flaw which is nothing to be worried about really.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 08:59 AM

For whatever it's worth, Hardy had a better rookie season than Dirk, statistically speaking. Dirk's rookie season was notoriously difficult for him for a variety of reasons. But still, my point is Hardy is way better than I thought he would be at this point.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2023, 09:05 AM

I guess what I see is that Hardy responded to good coaching to play better and help win the game.

Dudley looking promising as a potential head coach. I love an intense guy with brutal honesty.

And Lively had a very solid game. Looks legit on defense.

Dtownsfinest · 07-11-2023, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Jared Dudley on Hardy:

"I thought [Jaden Hardy] played terribly [in the] first half. He wasn't listening to the play calls, dropping his head, going too fast, turning the ball over. [Shammgod] had a good halftime speech. I came in to follow him, talking to him about slowing down, making the right reads [and] that we were going to score enough points."

Something to keep an eye on but that doesn?t sound great to hear.

One thing about Dudley is he?s gonna tell it like it is.

I don?t think it?s an issue to be honest I don?t even know they ran plays in SL or were expected too. It sure doesn?t come across that way while watching lol.

Dtownsfinest · 07-11-2023, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

For whatever it's worth, Hardy had a better rookie season than Dirk, statistically speaking. Dirk's rookie season was notoriously difficult for him for a variety of reasons. But still, my point is Hardy is way better than I thought he would be at this point.

I think the only good player we had was Finley then lol?.it?s a blur now but I seem to remember Nash and Dirk both stinking. Understandable for Dirk?.I I remember meeting him and Chris Anstey at the Mavs camp?..Dirk spoke zero English or at least he chose not to lol?.I remember we had autograph lines and I moved Dirk out the way to get Eric Strickland autograph lol. Fun times.

Dtownsfinest · 07-11-2023, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm tapping the brakes a bit on expectations of Hardy's ceiling. I thought he had star potential but thinking he might just have a solid career as a 6th man role player.
I'd be perfectly fine with another JET though.

I mean I can see a Bradley Beal type career for him. But he could also be JR Smith. Too early to tell but I do think there is something there.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dudley looking promising as a potential head coach. I love an intense guy with brutal honesty.

Potential Kidd replacement down the line? I've always liked Dudley. Like so many guys who end up being head coaches, he wasn't a very talented player, but had a reputation as a great lockerroom guy. And I've heard him in interviews and podcasts, and he's always very engaging and insightful. Quite funny too- especially telling stories about Dwight Howard being a weird man-child.

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And Lively had a very solid game. Looks legit on defense.

Agreed. I think the Tyson Chandler comparisons are very valid. I think he can contribute meaningful minutes next season and might very well be our starter in 2025.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I mean I can see a Bradley Beal type career for him. But he could also be JR Smith. Too early to tell but I do think there is something there.

Beal is the player he reminds me of the most, both in terms of his skillset and his body type. No idea if Hardy's ceiling is that high, but it's not crazy.

tap2390 · 07-11-2023, 09:27 AM

Love Dudley's coaching style. Hope he's next up when Kidd gets fired after this season (you gotta admit there's at least a 25% chance of this happening).

sig · 07-11-2023, 09:40 AM

I wouldn't put much stock in the summer league. A lot of inefficient play all round the games. The team looks like it just showed up to a pick up game they way they play. Hardy has been told to shoot a lot and he is doing what he is coached. Seems he settled down and responded to his coaches at half time. He is only 21 still.

Unless KI and Luka have issues with Wood they should just bring him back. I expect he would be easy to keep on a 1 year deal. His salary could be useful in mid season trades after once he is eligible to trade and who knows maybe he learns the Kidd defensive system with a year under his belt though I feel he will never be much on the switches.

Lively a accumulated a foul a minute and his on the ball defense was not good against Petrusev. He rebounded well in the 4th and seems to have super quick hands knocking balls loose. IMO, both him and Prosper will barely contribute early in season and should start season at Frisco.

Scoobay · 07-11-2023, 09:45 AM

Hardy looks at his best when he's moving - some of the plays where he'll pass/cut, or pass/fake cut then pop back out are what get me excited for his full potential. His outside shot is a weapon and a real threat that has to be respected. The more he keeps moving and relocating the more it puts pressure on the defense to react and keeps them on their toes.

i've said it before and goodness i realized he just turned 21... he needs to watch tape of Curry/Thompson moving and cutting with/without the ball. And then needs to build his stamina to where he can run all day.

Lestat_1795 · 07-11-2023, 10:47 AM

I wanted the Mavs to get Clint Capala for years now. He would be damn near perfect. Get him while shedding THJ and McGee and call it a day.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2023, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat_1795

I wanted the Mavs to get Clint Capala for years now. He would be damn near perfect. Get him while shedding THJ and McGee and call it a day.

If it was that easy, then it would have been done by now.

But it seems if it does happen that it will either be A. Zubac with a Harden to Clippers trade or B. Capela with a Siakam to Hawks trade.

Dtownsfinest · 07-11-2023, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Beal is the player he reminds me of the most, both in terms of his skillset and his body type. No idea if Hardy's ceiling is that high, but it's not crazy.

Yeah I think if he fulfills his potential he could be Bradley Beal?.but right now I?d say he?s on track to be Jr if he doesn?t improve.

SMC0007 · 07-11-2023, 12:35 PM

Hardy is going to be way better than JR Smith lol. Smith was a bonehead that had one hot year (for him) in 2012-13.

Dtownsfinest · 07-11-2023, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Hardy is going to be way better than JR Smith lol. Smith was a bonehead that had one hot year (for him) in 2012-13.

Aye....boneheaded or not....he had a good run of being a 15-18 points a game scorer for some years.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-11-2023, 03:04 PM

From DLord:

"The latest widespread buzz in NBA circles is a TOR-ATL Siakam deal needing someone to take Capela to push it over the line (with Mavs being prominently mentioned as the most viable solution).

As with all trade ideas, what happens from here will hinge on relative prices & values."

Looks like this might not be a total pipedream.

Melonhead · 07-11-2023, 03:18 PM

Lively from what I saw in the second game struggles with making contact on the
screen, probably rushing to roll. But really happy Mavs got him. Could be a full time starter year 3

tap2390 · 07-11-2023, 07:10 PM

I know we?ve been using the Tyson Chandler comp for Lively, but on the defensive end, I see a lot of Jaren Jackson Jr. in his game.

rimrocker · 07-12-2023, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Why are you tapping the brakes? Just curious. Because I've seen nothing at all to discourage expectations of his ceiling. In fact, everything I've seen from him as only encouraged me. When we first got his draft rights, I figured he was so raw that it would be at least a year before he saw anything other than garbage time, but he actually contributed quite a bit last year, and showed flashes of real brilliance. So as far as I'm concerned, he's way ahead of schedule.

I can't guarantee that he'll be a star, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he can't. I think he might easily be a 20+ per game guy a bit down the road. If anything, I think the only thing that will prevent him from doing that in Dallas is being behind Luka and Kyrie, and simply not getting enough shots.

Mainly curbing expectations that were too high after that Utah game we then him and Green went off..

I think he will be JET good for sure but I'm wondering about the opportunity he'll get here to ever take it to star level with Kyrie and Luka dominating the ball.

Hardy definitely looks his best with the ball in his hands.

MFFL · 07-12-2023, 08:31 AM

My son has the weirdest idea. He thinks we are trying to deal with Toronto directly.

Siakam for Hardy/Green/THJ/McGee/2027 1st.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-12-2023, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

My son has the weirdest idea. He thinks we are trying to deal with Toronto directly.

Siakam for Hardy/Green/THJ/McGee/2027 1st.

Oof. That's a LOT to give up. Gun to my head I might do it, but I am not sure at all.

Lestat_1795 · 07-12-2023, 08:45 AM

Siakam is not the second coming of Jesus.

Scoobay · 07-12-2023, 08:53 AM

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Oof. That's a LOT to give up. Gun to my head I might do it, but I am not sure at all.

way too much... that's 3 of our best assets - 2 up and coming young guys and a 1st round pick. At most would give up 2 of those, or maybe 1.5 (pick swap instead of giving it away)
but you'd have to strongly believe siakam puts us over the top and i'm not at all sure that's the case.

and even though we'd get rid of THJ and Mcgee, who else is there that we can get this offseason to fill in with that empty space?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2023, 09:20 AM

A more realistic gun to my head is whether I'd give up Green for a starting center.

Melonhead · 07-12-2023, 09:32 AM

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A more realistic gun to my head is whether I'd give up Green for a starting center.

Feels like we?re on the verge of seeing all his hard work pay off. Would hate to let him go now. If he?s not playing well by trade deadline, package I guess. Don?t think they?d extend him

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2023, 09:47 AM

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Feels like we?re on the verge of seeing all his hard work pay off. Would hate to let him go now. If he?s not playing well by trade deadline, package I guess. Don?t think they?d extend him

But you take that risk that he doesn't develop and then that center isn't available at the deadline.

And I'm not sure how good we'll realistically be if Powell is still starting.

It's certainly not an easy choice, but Capela or Green all things being equal? I'm probably going Capela.

BPo001 · 07-12-2023, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

My son has the weirdest idea. He thinks we are trying to deal with Toronto directly.

Siakam for Hardy/Green/THJ/McGee/2027 1st.

Man, I don?t know that I could do that deal. That?s all of our assets. I think I would do one of Hardy/Green and a pick.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-12-2023, 10:41 AM

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Man, I don?t know that I could do that deal. That?s all of our assets. I think I would do one of Hardy/Green and a pick.

Exactly. I could do one of those three things, no question. Two makes me hesitate, but I might still do it. Three? The more I think about it, the more I think I say no.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2023, 11:01 AM

I don't do that deal because Pascal is a FA next summer. Raptors know they aren't getting the bag they think they will because of that.

BUT, that very issue means lots of teams are in the mix to get him, including us. I've seen Atlanta, Orlando, and the Pacers as teams with good packages. Nothing would surprise me with where he eventually goes.

saclare · 07-12-2023, 11:09 AM

Capela could be had for much less, at worst costing the 2027 FRP. But I'd be inclined to get it done any other way.

I absolutely would include Green and the 2027 FRP for Siakam and would not include Hardy in that scenario. If 2030 pick swap was valuable to the Spurs, think of the 2027 FRP as it would be right after any catastrophic scenario with Mavs since Kyrie is on a 3 year deal and Luka would want out if things went sideways.