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kg_veteran · 11-22-2003, 10:42 PM

A couple of observations here after assessing what's going on:

1. Nellie is quite clearly sitting Bradley so that he can get Jamison going. And it appears to have worked. He's having a very nice offensive game, even if he's only contributed 4 boards in 30 minutes. We're allowing a 38% shooting team to shoot 43% and getting outrebounded by 8, but hey, the Mavs are good enough to beat the Nuggets in spite of that, I guess, so good job Nellie.

2. Nice to see Josh Howard get time. He's had a foul-plagued evening, but apparently some nice defensive contributions as well.

3. Kudos to Travis Best for contributing defensively, and double kudos to him for realizing that he can't shoot and for not trying.

BTW, I think it's not a slight edge for Walker as MVP thus far. It's a pretty clear edge, at least through 13 games.

DNNF · 11-22-2003, 10:43 PM

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Jamison should start intead of Fortson/Delk/Najera/Bradley without any doubt.

he should?

He must, but Nellie makes it "should".

More like "never"

Murphy3 · 11-22-2003, 10:44 PM

If he's sitting Bradley to get Jamison going, then why did Najera log 15 minutes in the first half with Bradley logging 0?

Perhaps that is the case in the second half..but not the first

MavsFanFinley · 11-22-2003, 10:44 PM

Who's guarding Leonard?

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 10:45 PM

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2. Nice to see Josh Howard get time

I like a lot Howard. He definitely is an asset coming from the bench; a very offensive-defensive balanced player.

DNNF · 11-22-2003, 10:47 PM

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2. Nice to see Josh Howard get time

I like a lot Howard. He definitely is an asset coming from the bench; a very offensive-defensive balanced player.

Howard still taking alot of dumb shots.

Dirkenstien · 11-22-2003, 10:47 PM

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Jamison should start intead of Fortson/Delk/Najera/Bradley without any doubt.

Exactly, but I don't think Nellie is smart enough to think of that .

Nellie is a knowledgable man basketball speaking so I dont believe its a debate of his bball IQ more so than his longing for a Ven Exel type of energy off the bench in which I believe Jamison is not, but we'll need more time to develope a thorough understanding of where Jamison would be best placed in this lineup regarding the status of starting or not starting.

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 10:47 PM

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Jamison should start intead of Fortson/Delk/Najera/Bradley without any doubt.

he should?

He must, but Nellie makes it "should".

More like "never"

Yeah, more than Fortson/Delk/Najera/Bradey.

Dirkenstien · 11-22-2003, 10:50 PM

Great play by AJ!

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by: Chiwas
Jamison should start intead of Fortson/Delk/Najera/Bradley without any doubt.

Exactly, but I don't think Nellie is smart enough to think of that .

Nellie is a knowledgable man basketball speaking so I dont believe its a debate of his bball IQ more so than his longing for a Ven Exel type of energy off the bench in which I believe Jamison is not, but we'll need more time to develope a thorough understanding of where Jamison would be best placed in this lineup regarding the status of starting or not starting.

Hard to argue with this. Let's say then, more than Delk?

kg_veteran · 11-22-2003, 10:51 PM

Murph - Even with Najera starting and getting 15 minutes, Shawn would have gotten some center minutes if Nellie hadn't wanted to go with Jamison, because Dirk wouldn't have been forced to play center.

Amazing that Jamison has cranked up to 8 boards even though the Nugs are still dominating the glass; I guess he heard me complaining. Also amazing that the Nugs dropped quickly to their customary 38%.

Good job, Nellie. Way to keep Jamison happy. And good job, Antawn, responding to receiving minutes with a very nice game.

Murphy3 · 11-22-2003, 10:51 PM

It's amazing how much opinions flip flop based on one game.

The Mavs will simply be able to blow some teams away with their offense. However, there will be alot of games in which it's imperative to start a guy that can provide a big time defensive presence in the middle.

Murphy3 · 11-22-2003, 10:53 PM

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Murph - Even with Najera starting and getting 15 minutes, Shawn would have gotten some center minutes if Nellie hadn't wanted to go with Jamison, because Dirk wouldn't have been forced to play center.

Amazing that Jamison has cranked up to 8 boards even though the Nugs are still dominating the glass; I guess he heard me complaining. Also amazing that the Nugs dropped quickly to their customary 38%.

Good job, Nellie. Way to keep Jamison happy. And good job, Antawn, responding to receiving minutes with a very nice game.

Of course it has had some impact KG..especially in the second half. However, I do not believe that your statement applies to the first half of the game

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 10:53 PM

Strange to see Nash, Finley and Dirk in the 10's points and Walker, Jamison in the 20's.

kg_veteran · 11-22-2003, 10:53 PM

Player of the game: Antoine Walker.

What a line: 25 pts, 14 reb., 6 assts, 11-18 FG, 2-5 3P, 2 blks, 1 stl.

That's a complete performance.

Murphy3 · 11-22-2003, 10:54 PM

it is good to see that Mavs over powering a weaker opponent on the offensive side of the ball.

bernardos70 · 11-22-2003, 10:54 PM

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mavs 112 nuggets 100

Damn it! Close enough[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Murphy3 · 11-22-2003, 10:54 PM

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Player of the game: Antoine Walker.

What a line: 25 pts, 14 reb., 6 assts, 11-18 FG, 2-5 3P, 2 blks, 1 stl.

That's a complete performance.

Yep...Walker was good tonight. He definitely has a slight edge as the MVP of the mavs so far this season (IMO)

DNNF · 11-22-2003, 10:55 PM

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mavs 112 nuggets 100

Damn it! Close enough[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Didn't cover [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Mavs by 13 according to Vegas.

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 10:57 PM

Dallas got outrebounded by 9, but scored 47% and 52% against 38% and 20% of the Nuggets.

Great defense by the Mavs, in spite of having again the Big Five with scoring double figures. The team is getting more balanced.

MavsFanFinley · 11-22-2003, 11:00 PM

Mavs win 115-101.

Walker (40) 11-18, 2-5, 1-1, 25pts, 14rbs, 6as, 3to's, 1stl, 2blks

Dirk (39) 5-15, 1-2, 8-9, 19pts, 11rbs, 1as, 2blks

Najera (17) 2-6, 1-3, 5pts, 3rbs, 1stl, 1blk

Finley (34) 5-12, 2-4, 12pts, 1rb, 6as, 2to's, 1blk

Nash (35) 5-10, 4-4, 4-4, 18pts, 3rbs, 8as, 3to's, 2stls

Jamison (34) 10-16, 6-7, 26pts, 8rbs, 2to's, 2stls, 1blk

Howard (15) 2-7, 0-1, 4pts, 2rbs, 1as, 2stls, 2blks

Best (17) 0-1, 3as, 1to, 2stls

Delk (8) 2-3, 2-2, 6pts, 1rb, 1stl

Daniels (1) 0-1, 0-1, 1as

grndmstr_c · 11-22-2003, 11:01 PM

Great second half. Not too impressed with our rebounding job tonight but the defense picked it up in the second half to drop them to under 40% shooting for the game. That, and some good offense got the job done.

Great games by Antoine and Antawn. Good job by Dirk finding the rhythm in the second half. Nice job by Steve early on, but come on Steve - only 3 rebounds? You're slackin'[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

As others have said, I'm a little disappointed we didn't see the Mantis, but hopefully this was partly Nellie resting him for the upcoming games against Chicago, Phoenix, Minny, and the pair against LA.

dirno2000 · 11-22-2003, 11:01 PM

Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Chiwas · 11-22-2003, 11:01 PM

What a team!

This team is going to be very tough in few months.

Good night.

kg_veteran · 11-22-2003, 11:02 PM

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However, I do not believe that your statement applies to the first half of the game

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Jamison played twice the minutes that he did on Thursday night. Some of those minutes came at Shawn's expense in both the first and second half.

bingocasino · 11-22-2003, 11:02 PM

blockshots mavs 9 nuggets 3
and camby is not that worse

grndmstr_c · 11-22-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

dirno2000 · 11-22-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

In the post game interview with Bob Ortegal.

grndmstr_c · 11-22-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by: dirno2000

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

In the post game interview with Bob Ortegal.

So I'm guessing this was a halftime conversation since the Big 5 started the second half.

mercury_rev · 11-22-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Did you mean Antawn Jamison campaigned for this?

Walkerforthree · 11-22-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

How nice of Antione, actually i think you meant Jamison was campaigning... that makes more sense given the rest of your post, but either way, how nice of them, now they demand that they get the ball early and play a two man game, screw dirk, nash and fin, they don't need to the ball [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

bingocasino · 11-22-2003, 11:08 PM

walker is the antoine lol
and i love em both but walker played some damn good ball.
his inside moves are so smooth

dirno2000 · 11-22-2003, 11:08 PM

Sorry, Antawn Jamison.

dirno2000 · 11-22-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

How nice of Antione, actually i think you meant Jamison was campaigning... that makes more sense given the rest of your post, but either way, how nice of them, now they demand that they get the ball early and play a two man game, screw dirk, nash and fin, they don't need to the ball [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

I did mean Antawn Jamison. Also, he was not saying screw his teamates. He was just saying that they get in trouble sometimes when they shoot too many jump shots. In his defense, the questions led him in that direction.

Dirkenstien · 11-22-2003, 11:10 PM

Good job picking up the slack in the second half. It was pleasant to see that both AW & AJ got it going. Overall good performance by the Mavericks in keeping the home record perfect.

Walkerforthree · 11-22-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
A couple of observations here after assessing what's going on:

1. Nellie is quite clearly sitting Bradley so that he can get Jamison going. And it appears to have worked. He's having a very nice offensive game, even if he's only contributed 4 boards in 30 minutes. We're allowing a 38% shooting team to shoot 43% and getting outrebounded by 8, but hey, the Mavs are good enough to beat the Nuggets in spite of that, I guess, so good job Nellie.

2. Nice to see Josh Howard get time. He's had a foul-plagued evening, but apparently some nice defensive contributions as well.

3. Kudos to Travis Best for contributing defensively, and double kudos to him for realizing that he can't shoot and for not trying.

BTW, I think it's not a slight edge for Walker as MVP thus far. It's a pretty clear edge, at least through 13 games.

Pretty clear edge? Hmmm...have we been watching the same games KG??

PPG- Dirk
RPG- Walker
ASP- Walker
SPG- Dirk
BPG- Dirk
FG%- Dirk
FT%- Dirk
3pt%- walker
TO (as in less)- Dirk
Effecientcy rating- Dirk

Doesn't look clear imo. Plus I think it is a given dirk will pass walker in 3pt% soon enough. So Dirk seems better in most categories, plus the fact walker has the ball in his hands constantly where dirk doesn't. Walker now has also attempted more fga this year, which IMO is entirely unacceptable, seperate post though. So all walker is better in is assist and rebounds, mainly because the ball's in his hands. IMO Dirk has been MVP. Walker certainly has a STRONG case as well. But to say its not close, to say Walker has a clear age, well, imo that's immutably wrong.

Walkerforthree · 11-22-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

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Originally posted by: dirno2000
Antawn Walker was campaigning for Nellie to start the five star lineup. He says it gives the team a chance to get it going defensively and gives him a chance to get in the game early.

He also said that they need to go to he and Antione early and work inside out.

Really? Where'd you hear this and when did this conversation occur?

How nice of Antione, actually i think you meant Jamison was campaigning... that makes more sense given the rest of your post, but either way, how nice of them, now they demand that they get the ball early and play a two man game, screw dirk, nash and fin, they don't need to the ball [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

I did mean Antawn Jamison. Also, he was not saying screw his teamates. He was just saying that they get in trouble sometimes when they shoot too many jump shots. In his defense, the questions led him in that direction.

well, i don't know the full context, regardless (irregardless isn't a word LRB, just thought I'd point it out since I've seen you say it a few times recently) I don't like the quote.

grndmstr_c · 11-22-2003, 11:16 PM

So, this MVP thing...I still think it's Nash so far. Antoine's had some nice games, none better than tonight, but it's just too apparent that the team is struggling for an identity when Nash goes to the bench for me to think that anybody else is more important right now.

Dirkenstien · 11-22-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran
A couple of observations here after assessing what's going on:

1. Nellie is quite clearly sitting Bradley so that he can get Jamison going. And it appears to have worked. He's having a very nice offensive game, even if he's only contributed 4 boards in 30 minutes. We're allowing a 38% shooting team to shoot 43% and getting outrebounded by 8, but hey, the Mavs are good enough to beat the Nuggets in spite of that, I guess, so good job Nellie.

2. Nice to see Josh Howard get time. He's had a foul-plagued evening, but apparently some nice defensive contributions as well.

3. Kudos to Travis Best for contributing defensively, and double kudos to him for realizing that he can't shoot and for not trying.

BTW, I think it's not a slight edge for Walker as MVP thus far. It's a pretty clear edge, at least through 13 games.

Pretty clear edge? Hmmm...have we been watching the same games KG??

PPG- Dirk
RPG- Walker
ASP- Walker
SPG- Dirk
BPG- Dirk
FG%- Dirk
FT%- Dirk
3pt%- walker
TO (as in less)- Dirk

Doesn't look clear imo. Plus I think it is a given dirk will pass walker in 3pt% soon enough. So Dirk seems better in most categories, plus the fact walker has the ball in his hands constantly where dirk doesn't. Walker now has also attempted more fga this year, which IMO is entirely unacceptable, seperate post though. So all walker is better in is assist and rebounds, mainly because the ball's in his hands. IMO Dirk has been MVP. Walker certainly has a STRONG case as well. But to say its not close, to say Walker has a clear age, well, imo that's immutably wrong.

You certainly are very opinionated [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

MightyToine · 11-22-2003, 11:19 PM

Who CARES Who the Team MVP is?? Walker Played Outstanding Ball tonight and we Won. That's all that matters, bahbay!!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]