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sefant77 · 03-01-2016, 11:21 PM

Deron also collecting around 14m from the Njets next season...

spreedom · 03-01-2016, 11:22 PM

The only reason I think Deron opting in is a possibility is because I believe he's still getting about $13M from the Nets after his buyout... turns his annual salary into about $18-19M next season.

I'd like him to come back next season. That said, if he opts out, best of luck to him because I don't want to pay him more than the $5.6M if it takes us out of the race with top-flight free agents.

mac222b · 03-01-2016, 11:54 PM

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The only reason I think Deron opting in is a possibility is because I believe he's still getting about $13M from the Nets after his buyout... turns his annual salary into about $18-19M next season.

I'd like him to come back next season. That said, if he opts out, best of luck to him because I don't want to pay him more than the $5.6M if it takes us out of the race with top-flight free agents.

Even so he'll want the security of a multi-year deal. The next one he signs could legit be his last. I don't see him opting in.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-01-2016, 11:37 PM

DWill has been a hit and miss player this season. The effort isn't always there, and the injuries come up often. I'd be fine if he opted in and fine if he opted out.

mac222b · 03-01-2016, 11:53 PM

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DWill has been a hit and miss player this season. The effort isn't always there, and the injuries come up often. I'd be fine if he opted in and fine if he opted out.

I agree the effort hasn't always been there. I do however think he's pacing himself like a lot of vets do and we'll see another gear come playof time.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-02-2016, 10:58 AM

Mike Conley is one of the most overrated players in the game. The idea of a max or close to max contract for him would be insane.

Moving back to Parsons possibility of joining the Magic...

I'll say that the Magic have a lot more playoff competition in the East. They are bundled with 4-5 other teams just as good as them. And the Wizards and Bulls are playing under what they should be. In the West, the playoffs are wide open with the 5-8 seed, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon.

rimrocker · 03-02-2016, 11:23 AM

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Moving back to Parsons possibility of joining the Magic...

I'll say that the Magic have a lot more playoff competition in the East. They are bundled with 4-5 other teams just as good as them. And the Wizards and Bulls are playing under what they should be. In the West, the playoffs are wide open with the 5-8 seed, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon.

Magic might have a slight edge considering they can offer 2 max deals....depending on who would be the 2nd max deal though. They are younger and looking for someone like Chandler to lead them so I could see him entertaining that situation.

I'd think it would be more appealing to lead guys younger with an upside than try to lead a bunch of veterans which is what he'll be forced to do here.

Nevertheless I think Cuban will sell him on staying here.

BPo001 · 03-02-2016, 03:50 PM

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Magic might have a slight edge considering they can offer 2 max deals....depending on who would be the 2nd max deal though. They are younger and looking for someone like Chandler to lead them so I could see him entertaining that situation.

I'd think it would be more appealing to lead guys younger with an upside than try to lead a bunch of veterans which is what he'll be forced to do here.

Nevertheless I think Cuban will sell him on staying here.

I think the Magic are an intriguing option for Parsons for the exact reasons you listed. Young nucleus, ability to add a 2nd max player (Horford?), and I'm sure they will sell him on being the leader and face of the franchise.

I think he ends up resigning with the Mavs. While Rick has been tough on him I think it's because he thinks he can be a great player in this league for years to come. He owes it to Cuban and especially Dirk to stick around.

rimrocker · 03-02-2016, 04:06 PM

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I think the Magic are an intriguing option for Parsons for the exact reasons you listed. Young nucleus, ability to add a 2nd max player (Horford?), and I'm sure they will sell him on being the leader and face of the franchise.

I think he ends up resigning with the Mavs. While Rick has been tough on him I think it's because he thinks he can be a great player in this league for years to come. He owes it to Cuban and especially Dirk to stick around.

Yeah, forgot about Horford....another Gator.
Plus they'll have a lotto pick so they'll have a chance at another young player or a nice trade chip along with another one of their young players to bring in another seasoned core player.

Vinsanity · 03-02-2016, 04:08 PM

I think the only way Parsons would go to the Magic is if Dwight wanted to go back there with him. They'd suddenly be a scary team if those two went there surrounded by their young talent. Wouldn't be as good as us though if CP stayed and Dwight came here

rimrocker · 03-02-2016, 05:53 PM

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I think the only way Parsons would go to the Magic is if Dwight wanted to go back there with him. They'd suddenly be a scary team if those two went there surrounded by their young talent. Wouldn't be as good as us though if CP stayed and Dwight came here

I certainly think that would be the best scenario for us but I'd think both will get max deals that we probably won't be able to give.

The more I think about it the more I think he'll be going to the Magic.
There he will be the face of the franchise, here he will be on Dirk and Cuban's team. He will also be home, in Florida, on a young team, with a lot of upside with the ability to start a super team.
He will also most likely be able to name his coach.

Think 2 or 3 years from now....where will the Mavs be?.....where will Orlando be?

Unless we get through a few rounds of the POs I'd say there's a better chance of him going to the Magic than staying here.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-02-2016, 06:26 PM

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I certainly think that would be the best scenario for us but I'd think both will get max deals that we probably won't be able to give.

The more I think about it the more I think he'll be going to the Magic.
There he will be the face of the franchise, here he will be on Dirk and Cuban's team. He will also be home, in Florida, on a young team, with a lot of upside with the ability to start a super team.
He will also most likely be able to name his coach.

Think 2 or 3 years from now....where will the Mavs be?.....where will Orlando be?

Unless we get through a few rounds of the POs I'd say there's a better chance of him going to the Magic than staying here.

Anything is possible, but TMac is infamous for stirring up this kinda stuff to get people riled up. To say he is likely to go there is getting way ahead of yourself.

rimrocker · 03-02-2016, 10:20 PM

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Anything is possible, but TMac is infamous for stirring up this kinda stuff to get people riled up. To say he is likely to go there is getting way ahead of yourself.

Just making the points as to why I think he'll strongly consider them over us.
The entire conversation of resigning Parsons is getting ahead of ourselves if you want to look at it like that.

This is a really old team and when we keep bringing in 30+ yo guys (DWill, Zaza, VC, Amare, Lee, Odom, etc...) to save our season and to play with an aging former Superstar it's hard for me to think our situation will be more attractive than what Orlando can offer a 27yo who has aspirations of leading a team.

If we don't perform well in the POs and are virtually bringing back the same team but 1 year older, I don't see that as very appealing when younger teams with more attractive situations are options.

Perhaps Parsons is more comfortable leading vets, and we can only hope he is, but we are fooling ourselves if we think Cuban has created an attractive situation/environment/culture for a young rising star to stick around.

mac222b · 03-02-2016, 11:57 PM

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Just making the points as to why I think he'll strongly consider them over us.
The entire conversation of resigning Parsons is getting ahead of ourselves if you want to look at it like that.

This is a really old team and when we keep bringing in 30+ yo guys (DWill, Zaza, VC, Amare, Lee, Odom, etc...) to save our season and to play with an aging former Superstar it's hard for me to think our situation will be more attractive than what Orlando can offer a 27yo who has aspirations of leading a team.

If we don't perform well in the POs and are virtually bringing back the same team but 1 year older, I don't see that as very appealing when younger teams with more attractive situations are options.

Perhaps Parsons is more comfortable leading vets, and we can only hope he is, but we are fooling ourselves if we think Cuban has created an attractive situation/environment/culture for a young rising star to stick around.

It may hinge on whether we can lure another "star". Howard, Horford, Whiteside, Conley. Or someone in trade. Though that seems less likely given the cap space most teams will have, less salary dumps.

We should have room for Parsons, Max player X and most likely a point guard(Deron?)and backup Center with full taxpayers MLE and other exceptions.

Powell and Anderson back up 4 and 2/3 spots respectively.

Can we go over the cap to re-sign Powell?

spreedom · 03-06-2016, 01:32 AM

And FWIW I'm currently in the "offer Parsons a max contract at 12:01 on the first day of free agency" camp.

Underdog · 03-06-2016, 02:24 AM

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And FWIW I'm currently in the "offer Parsons a max contract at 12:01 on the first day of free agency" camp.

I don't see a better option unless Durant comes knocking down our door at the stroke of midnight (especially if Parsons keeps this pace up through the rest of the season...)

Dtownsfinest · 03-06-2016, 08:27 PM

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And FWIW I'm currently in the "offer Parsons a max contract at 12:01 on the first day of free agency" camp.

Yeah I mean I think fans are fooling themselves thinking they will get better than Parsons. I'd also have to wonder why would Parsons even come back here at this point though. Unless you just offer him something he can't refuse which is possible.

BPo001 · 03-02-2016, 08:42 PM

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I certainly think that would be the best scenario for us but I'd think both will get max deals that we probably won't be able to give.

The more I think about it the more I think he'll be going to the Magic.
There he will be the face of the franchise, here he will be on Dirk and Cuban's team. He will also be home, in Florida, on a young team, with a lot of upside with the ability to start a super team.
He will also most likely be able to name his coach.

Think 2 or 3 years from now....where will the Mavs be?.....where will Orlando be?

Unless we get through a few rounds of the POs I'd say there's a better chance of him going to the Magic than staying here.

One thing to remember is that the Mavs have shown they can field a competitive team year in and year out and also know how how to win a Championship. Something the Magic can't claim and I'm sure Cuban will remind CP when they sit down and talk. Dirk only has 1-2 more seasons, so it could/will be Parsons' team if he is willing to be patient. Even if Parsons is the better player (which now he is) this will always be Dirk's team as long as he keeps donning a Mavs jersey.

rimrocker · 03-02-2016, 10:36 PM

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One thing to remember is that the Mavs have shown they can field a competitive team year in and year out and also know how how to win a Championship. Something the Magic can't claim and I'm sure Cuban will remind CP when they sit down and talk. Dirk only has 1-2 more seasons, so it could/will be Parsons' team if he is willing to be patient. Even if Parsons is the better player (which now he is) this will always be Dirk's team as long as he keeps donning a Mavs jersey.

You are sort of making my point....it is and will be Dirk's team for at least half of Parsons' contract. Then DWill and Zaza will be in their mid-30s so we'll be virtually in rebuild mode when Parsons is 29.
Doesn't sound very attractive to me if I have to choose between that and leading a team with a roster full of players predominately in my age group and younger the first year of my contract. Not to mention an organization that can sign another max contract (most likely someone in their mid to late 20s) and has a lotto pick in their pocket. And it doesn't hurt Orlando's cause that he is from that area.

I'm sorry but I don't see Cuban winning on a sale of us being competitive year after year. Competitive is a relative term and just making the POs isn't being competitive in some eyes. That pitch might have worked 4 or 5 years ago but not so much now....if at all.

sefant77 · 03-02-2016, 07:14 PM

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I think the only way Parsons would go to the Magic is if Dwight wanted to go back there with him. They'd suddenly be a scary team if those two went there surrounded by their young talent. Wouldn't be as good as us though if CP stayed and Dwight came here

I prefer Vucevic over ~60 games Dwight Howard...

mac222b · 03-04-2016, 01:52 PM

Hey Bryan good stuff. I think CP cap hold will be closer to 20 though. Isn't it 130%?
Same with Dirkor any others not renounced.. Speaking of, Dirk will probably be asked to take a pay cut YET AGAIN for the betterment of this team due to cap mismanagement.

Assuming he would come here Whiteside over Howard would presumably save some $.
Maybe CP re-signs quickly starting around 18per? Less than his cap hold and he made 16m he wouldn't have otherwise on that last deal. Even if he takes 3m less per year than his market he still comes out ahead. Dirk signs a one year 5- 6m deal? Would gain an additional 6m or so this way.

Unfortunately this is a terrible FA point guard crop and D-Will is gonna command somewhere around 12m. Loathe to be locked into that guy at that price for 4yrs but what's the alternative? They're almost better off with a one year stop gap, unless they truly believe that they're one dominant big away from contending. Get best available big this offseason and PG in 2017

Bryan_Wilson · 03-04-2016, 04:26 PM

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Hey Bryan good stuff. I think CP cap hold will be closer to 20 though. Isn't it 130%?
Same with Dirkor any others not renounced.. Speaking of, Dirk will probably be asked to take a pay cut YET AGAIN for the betterment of this team due to cap mismanagement.

Assuming he would come here Whiteside over Howard would presumably save some $.
Maybe CP re-signs quickly starting around 18per? Less than his cap hold and he made 16m he wouldn't have otherwise on that last deal. Even if he takes 3m less per year than his market he still comes out ahead. Dirk signs a one year 5- 6m deal? Would gain an additional 6m or so this way.

Unfortunately this is a terrible FA point guard crop and D-Will is gonna command somewhere around 12m. Loathe to be locked into that guy at that price for 4yrs but what's the alternative? They're almost better off with a one year stop gap, unless they truly believe that they're one dominant big away from contending. Get best available big this offseason and PG in 2017

Yeah I thought so too but when I went to spotrac and looked at his future cap hold it wasn't 130% so Idk, I thought it was as well. Idk if it changed is he denies a player option, if spotrac is wrong then yeah we have more like 10m after DH12 to fill out the roster in the example above. As for Dirk I don't think he opts out personally so I left his as is. He has said he intends to play out his contract and then decide after that if he wants to play more. So if he did opt out I think it would be to sign for less if anything.

I go back and forth with whiteside, he has nice individual stats but from what I read he is not great at helping his team in terms of defensive impact. Might be like McGee that he fails block out assignments for rebs or challenges shots for high block numbers at the expense of the team. Idk though because I only watch him kill us, I don't watch the Heat to have a real opinion. Cheaper options that keep being tossed around also include Noah as a reclamation, and then a serviceable backup. If Howard insists on more than 20 per I don't want him honestly. He just seems to be breaking down and with the NBA as a whole really going small it's just hard to pay a guy like that 20 unless he really still is dominant at protecting the paint. I'd prolly go for the Gasol or Noah route as a cheaper alternative. I also agree the pg market is absolutely terrible. It's rly only Dwill or a trade candidate IMO. I really don't want to overpay Conley and I don't want to go after restricted Clarkson.

Underdog · 03-04-2016, 05:14 PM

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I go back and forth with whiteside, he has nice individual stats but from what I read he is not great at helping his team in terms of defensive impact. Might be like McGee that he fails block out assignments for rebs or challenges shots for high block numbers at the expense of the team. Idk though because I only watch him kill us, I don't watch the Heat to have a real opinion.

One thing I've noticed about Whiteside is that he'll occasionally take a game off, disappearing completely... Kinda like peak Roy Hibbert -- if he's not dominating, he's invisible.

mac222b · 03-04-2016, 04:38 PM

Count me out on Noah. Was an incredible player for a few years but his body is betraying him. I go back and forth between Whiteside and Howard. I get what you're saying about Whitside. I'm not much on advanced stats so would like to see if someone could quantify his on court impact in relatable terms. Howard healthy is something of a difference maker. I get what you say about the league trending small but our $ has to go somewhere. And bigs still matter. Especially with sieves like D-Will and JJB at point.

Skywalker · 03-07-2016, 03:56 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...in-free-agency

rimrocker · 03-07-2016, 05:19 PM

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...in-free-agency

I think Parsons is just being the class act that he is and not trashing his old team...smart not to burn any bridges.
Still think Orlando is our biggest competitor.

EricaLubarsky · 03-07-2016, 05:12 PM

According to McMahon, Matthews is second to last in FG%. 117/118

Only player worse? Kobe Bryant.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-07-2016, 07:04 PM

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According to McMahon, Matthews is second to last in FG%. 117/118

Only player worse? Kobe Bryant.

Max money!

spreedom · 03-07-2016, 07:11 PM

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According to McMahon, Matthews is second to last in FG%. 117/118

Only player worse? Kobe Bryant.

What is this stat? Crunch-time scoring FG%?

BPo001 · 03-08-2016, 12:05 PM

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...liarity-matter

Good read by a former NFL player on free agency. I know the article is about free agency in the NFL, but the way of thinking has to be similar among athletes no matter what sport you're playing.