2020-2021 Season thread - Page 5 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

NeedlesKane · 12-03-2020, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Richardson is opting out for sure, He is underpaid.

If we get Giannis im 99% sure we would ship out Powell with the 2025 FRP (or Brunson), so we could sign Giannis and resign Josh.

With Giannis Powell has No place on the team anyway

In regards to Richardson, if you plays his heart out this season... and I am sure that he will... I am gonna really miss having him around.

ozmavs123 · 12-03-2020, 11:30 PM

WOJ reporting that active roster spots may be increased to 15 for this season, so maybe JJB does make the roster after all

EricaLubarsky · 12-03-2020, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmavs123

WOJ reporting that active roster spots may be increased to 15 for this season, so maybe JJB does make the roster after all

Is it 15 active and 2 inactive or is it just 15 active and no inactive list? If we can bring 15+2+2 then it makes sense to keep Barea

MFFL · 12-03-2020, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Is it 15 active and 2 inactive or is it just 15 active and no inactive list? If we can bring 15+2+2 then it makes sense to keep Barea

I think the roster max for this year should be 18 active players with an additional 2 players on 2 way contracts

I don't think there will be much of a G-League this year

But the 15+2+2 is the only way it makes any sense - "shortened season and concerns over Covid impact" can be covered with the flexible inactives slot. NBA Player Assoc must be trying to get a few more jobs out of the owners

NeedlesKane · 12-03-2020, 11:39 PM

I really hope that those guys stay off this site. I don't want any of them to think we want them to be shipped out. I like having them around... but if it's between having Giannis or them... yeah. I think they should understand that.

NeedlesKane · 12-03-2020, 11:50 PM

I looked into it. They're just getting rid of inactive roster spots. Including the 2-way contracts, teams can still carry 17 players.

EricaLubarsky · 12-03-2020, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I looked into it. They're just getting rid of inactive roster spots. Including the 2-way contracts, teams can still carry 17 players.

Mavs have 18. So someone has to go.

Maybe we bump Hinton. Make Terry a two-way. Two-way guys can spend infinite time with the Mavs this year.

Then again, sounds like Terry has a full contract. If we bump him to two-way we lose rights and he may just sign elsewhere.

NeedlesKane · 12-04-2020, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs have 18. So someone has to go.

Maybe we bump Hinton. Make Terry a two-way. Two-way guys can spend infinite time with the Mavs this year.

Then again, sounds like Terry has a full contract. If we bump him to two-way we lose rights and he may just sign elsewhere.

No matter who gets bumped I think I'll be disappointed. Better not be Boban.

spreedom · 12-04-2020, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs have 18. So someone has to go.

Maybe we bump Hinton. Make Terry a two-way. Two-way guys can spend infinite time with the Mavs this year.

Then again, sounds like Terry has a full contract. If we bump him to two-way we lose rights and he may just sign elsewhere.

Tyrrell Terry already signed a 2+2 main roster contract. He isn't going anywhere.

What Woj referred to today wasn't about adding two additional players/roster spots to teams; he was saying teams could have 15 active players in every game instead of 13. Rosters will remain at 15 main spots and the two 2-ways.

I still think it's an absolute certainty that JJ is cut, barring some batshit out-of-nowhere trade between now and nut-cutting time.

NeedlesKane · 12-04-2020, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Tyrrell Terry already signed a 2+2 main roster contract. He isn't going anywhere.

What Woj referred to today wasn't about adding two additional players/roster spots to teams; he was saying teams could have 15 active players in every game instead of 13. Rosters will remain at 15 main spots and the two 2-ways.

I still think it's an absolute certainty that JJ is cut, barring some batshit out-of-nowhere trade between now and nut-cutting time.

Another possibility. Can we trade him for a 2nd round pick or anything?

tap2390 · 12-04-2020, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs have 18. So someone has to go.

Maybe we bump Hinton. Make Terry a two-way. Two-way guys can spend infinite time with the Mavs this year.

Then again, sounds like Terry has a full contract. If we bump him to two-way we lose rights and he may just sign elsewhere.

Not sure if Terry can be bumped to a 2-way deal given that he wasn't undrafted and already signed his contract but how would the Mavs lose rights that would allow Terry to sign elsewhere?

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 10:36 AM

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Not sure if Terry can be bumped to a 2-way deal given that he wasn't undrafted and already signed his contract but how would the Mavs lose rights that would allow Terry to sign elsewhere?

He has an NBA contract. The only way to reduce it to a two-way would be to waive him and offer him a two-way. Whenever you waive a guy, you lose rights.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 08:54 AM

The cart is way out ahead of the horse

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

The cart is way out ahead of the horse

Yeah.

I'm about 98% confident that the guy who gets cut will be Barea.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Yeah.

I'm about 98% confident that the guy who gets cut will be Barea.

Cutting Terry for Jjb is certifiable. People still talk about it even though he has a 2 year deal and likely a long successful future ahead. There is no logic, even with Luka saying he still has game left. Do everything you can to keep him around in some capacity but obviously not at the cost of our future.

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Yeah.

I'm about 98% confident that the guy who gets cut will be Barea.

I wouldn’t be so confident. Luka apparently loves Barea and wants him here. I think the Mavs value him too.

If so then
1) waive Iwundu, Johnson, or Terry
2) stretch Powell (can we even? Would we?)
3) trade someone

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If so then
1) waive Iwundu, Johnson, or Terry

I buy the Luka/Barea relationship, and I won't be totally shocked if he's here, but I can almost guarantee that the victim wouldn't be among those three. Maybe one of them gets traded, but there's no way one of them gets cut, I don't think.

I just can't imagine that after going to all of this trouble to be as financially flexible as possible between now and the end of next summer (when Luka signs his extension) that they'll casually decide to put millions of dead money on NEXT YEAR'S cap. I think that would be insane.

Johnson...maybe. He's an expiring guy. But, do we really think Barea is worth $16-17 million for one year? That's essentially what it would cost to cut Johnson for Barea, and you'd lose that big expiring deal (trade asset) in the process.

Going to keep saying it, but IF they want to cut someone for Barea (my prediction is that they won't) there are really only three possibilities: Brunson, WCS or Boban. All three of those guys can be cut in such a way where the dead money won't carry on past this season, and their salaries this year aren't as prohibitive as Johnson's.

If you told me you were from the future and you KNEW they cut someone for Barea's spot, my first guess would be WCS.

tap2390 · 12-04-2020, 12:15 PM

I’m still of the mind that the most likely scenario is that Barea gets cut, collects his 2.6 million guaranteed, and signs on as a player development coach.

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I buy the Luka/Barea relationship, and I won't be totally shocked if he's here, but I can almost guarantee that the victim wouldn't be among those three. Maybe one of them gets traded, but there's no way one of them gets cut, I don't think.

I just can't imagine that after going to all of this trouble to be as financially flexible as possible between now and the end of next summer (when Luka signs his extension) that they'll casually decide to put millions of dead money on NEXT YEAR'S cap. I think that would be insane.

Johnson...maybe. He's an expiring guy. But, do we really think Barea is worth $16-17 million for one year? That's essentially what it would cost to cut Johnson for Barea, and you'd lose that big expiring deal (trade asset) in the process.

Going to keep saying it, but IF they want to cut someone for Barea (my prediction is that they won't) there are really only three possibilities: Brunson, WCS or Boban. All three of those guys can be cut in such a way where the dead money won't carry on past this season, and their salaries this year aren't as prohibitive as Johnson's.

If you told me you were from the future and you KNEW they cut someone for Barea's spot, my first guess would be WCS.

Yeah I may be changing my opinion. Here's my list from most likely to least.

1) Iwundu - literally minimum salary. Non-guaranteed money. His salary is equal to a cap hold and we also have a lot of other guys who may outcompete him both defensively and offensively at the same position (Green/Bey/DFS/Richardson/Johnson). He may not even have to mess up to get cut. If Green comes in ready for the NBA, then Iwundu is just insurance.

2) WCS - you're right. 4.2 mill this year is guaranteed, but zero guaranteed next year. I really hope that it clicks for him both offensively and defensively. He was borderline

3) Boban - expiring/UFA after this year. No money guaranteed next. Luka loves him and he's a great guy to have in a locker room, though. He can also fill it up offensively as a change of pace, but he may be vulnerable with four other centers (KP/Powell/Kleber/WCS)

4) Tery - He's cheap and we'd lose no money, but we'd be throwing away a pick, even if it was just a second rounder. I don't see it unless he comes in and is a punk or unprofessional. Even then I think we give him more than one chance.

5) Powell - Can be waived or traded, but I'm not sure if are willing to do either. Mavs are really high on him and may just let him stick around for his contract like Lee. I don't see them paying picks--even second-rounders for teams to take him and I don't see him just getting bought out, even if he's limited as we all expect he will be. If they do, they'll probably wait to the TDL or offseason to do that so it's less expensive.

6) Johnson- no money next year, but I think we've been trying to get him for two years and he seems like a perfect vet with a chip on his shoulder and some nice skills. He's going to play some much-needed 4 and may even play some small-ball 5.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I wouldn’t be so confident. Luka apparently loves Barea and wants him here. I think the Mavs value him too.

If so then
1) waive Iwundu, Johnson, or Terry
2) stretch Powell (can we even? Would we?)
3) trade someone

Who cares that Luka likes JJB. Of course he really likes him but people are getting a bit carried away. Luka isn't gonna get butt hurt and want out of Dallas because we didn't cut a young guy who could grow with him for JJB and his last stand. Maybe JJB end up somehow on the roster but JJonhson and Teery should be off limits. Idk about Iwundi but he signed a 2yr minimum deal too. If any of these guys with guaranteed contracts get cut for JJB, then the MBT fuct up. Maybe they will give me some free money since they're just handing it out.

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Who cares that Luka likes JJB. Of course he really likes him but people are getting a bit carried away. Luka isn't gonna get butt hurt and want out of Dallas because we didn't cut a young guy who could grow with him for JJB and his last stand. Maybe JJB end up somehow on the roster but JJonhson and Teery should be off limits. Idk about Iwundi but he signed a 2yr minimum deal too. If any of these guys with guaranteed contracts get cut for JJB, then the MBT fuct up. Maybe they will give me some free money since they're just handing it out.

I care that Luka is happy and it's the 15th man on the roster we're talking about.

Dallas41 · 12-04-2020, 09:27 AM

You know Miami has kept Haslim for years and their fans always assumed he'd be the one cut instead of younger promising player.

I might be in the minority here but it's not going to shock me if JJB is on this roster opening night.

The Mavs are loyal to their long time vets.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 09:36 AM

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You know Miami has kept Haslim for years and their fans always assumed he'd be the one cut instead of younger promising player.

I might be in the minority here but it's not going to shock me if JJB is on this roster opening night.

The Mavs are loyal to their long time vets.

Sure but have they cut a guy projected late lottery, just outside the lottery fr him? Legit question because I'm too lazy to look it up

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 09:55 AM

So, the Haslem thing is similar, but it's a bit different. It's fairly commonly known that he agreed to take less money back in the day to make the Lebron/Bosh/Wade era work. The perception is that the organization has been making it up to him ever since by paying him more than his market value.

NOW, he's probably just like Barea's situation - valuable at the minimum because of his impact on the team's culture. But, it started as a means of "payback."

And, while Miami has the same "flexibility" goals as the Mavs for next summer, they aren't quite as well positioned to get there. They had to let people go, like DJJ and Crowder, because they didn't want to play on 1-year deals. They are fortunate Dragic agreed to do that, imo. So, in their situation, an experienced guy like Haslem who's willing to accept a 1-year deal to take up a roster spot actually isn't much of a sacrifice for them.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't be SHOCKED if Barea is here, either, mostly because of his relationship with Luka. But, looking at the situation logically and ESPECIALLY financially, it definitely seems like cutting Barea is the plan. I don't think they'd cut Brunson, and they literally CAN'T cut Terry without having dead money next season. I suppose I could see them cutting WCS or Boban, but I just don't think they will.

Gonna be interesting!

VA-Mavs-Fan · 12-04-2020, 01:15 PM

I read that Iwundu's deal is 2 yr. guaranteed, 2nd year might be player option

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VA-Mavs-Fan

I read that Iwundu's deal is 2 yr. guaranteed, 2nd year might be player option

It is. Two years, guaranteed.

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 01:25 PM

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I read that Iwundu's deal is 2 yr. guaranteed, 2nd year might be player option

It's just two years and both yearsa are fully guaranteed.

I'd say that means something, but he got a minimum deal which means he doesn't count toward the cap (if he wasn't on the roster, there'd be a cap hold for empty roster spot for the same amount).

We've given out a ton of those minimum contracts out as a way to assess talent. Most recently Isaiah Roby who is still collecting his money.

Dallas41 · 12-04-2020, 02:35 PM

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I read that Iwundu's deal is 2 yr. guaranteed, 2nd year might be player option

Iwundu might be the least talked about acquisition this offseason.

He sort of reminds of the Aminu pickup from a few years ago. I really like his defensive versatility and i think he could surprise some people being under the radar.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 03:03 PM

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Iwundu might be the least talked about acquisition this offseason.

He sort of reminds of the Aminu pickup from a few years ago. I really like his defensive versatility and i think he could surprise some people being under the radar.

We will get a nice view of this when he's on another team because we dump him for JJB's last year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-04-2020, 01:56 PM

Yeah, I def don't think we're cutting Johnson...

https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/sta...29799597449223

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 02:08 PM

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 03:50 PM

James Johnsons interview was good.

EricaLubarsky · 12-04-2020, 04:15 PM

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James Johnsons interview was good.

He's mature and I love that. I think he could be a really good presence for us.

SMC0007 · 12-04-2020, 04:55 PM

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He's mature and I love that. I think he could be a really good presence for us.

Yea. He's confident and experienced, I can see him being a calming factor to our guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets plenty of minutes. Its hard to overlook his defense on one side and assists on the other.

ozmavs123 · 12-07-2020, 05:58 AM

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Yea. He's confident and experienced, I can see him being a calming factor to our guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets plenty of minutes. Its hard to overlook his defense on one side and assists on the other.

It’s interesting how some teams just seem calmer and more confident when they have a big guy who has got their back physically.

For example over the past few years, the Australian national team has performed really well with Andrew Bogut on the floor, even though he has been nowhere near the player he used to be. Everyone just seems to grow a little taller when he is out there.

SMC0007 · 12-07-2020, 10:24 AM

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It’s interesting how some teams just seem calmer and more confident when they have a big guy who has got their back physically.

For example over the past few years, the Australian national team has performed really well with Andrew Bogut on the floor, even though he has been nowhere near the player he used to be. Everyone just seems to grow a little taller when he is out there.

Tyson Chandler effect. Also Shawn Marion and Deshawn Stevenson.

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 04:20 PM

Trey Burke's was good, too, imo. I like how hungry and focused this team seems.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-04-2020, 04:49 PM

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Trey Burke's was good, too, imo. I like how hungry and focused this team seems.

Yeah, it's interesting how we might view Terry as the Curry replacement, but I'm thinking it was really Burke's playoff play that made Curry available in trades.

KillerLeft · 12-04-2020, 11:08 PM

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Yeah, it's interesting how we might view Terry as the Curry replacement, but I'm thinking it was really Burke's playoff play that made Curry available in trades.

For sure. Probably a bit of both.

I think Burke will get a lot of Curry's minutes, especially early on, even if he doesn't play the exact, same role.

My sneaky favorite part of this off-season is that while they seem to have made a commitment to drafting and developing some young, exciting players, they also made sure they're in a position where they don't absolutely have to depend on them to contribute. I think that's important for a playoff team. You don't want to rule out the possibility of rookies contributing, but you also don't want to depend on it, if you can help it.

Burke gives Terry some time.
Richardson gives Green some time.
Johnson gives Bey some time.
Even Iwundu will have to get past DFS to carve out a major role here, imo.

I see lots of redundancy (in a good way).

MFFL · 12-04-2020, 11:41 PM

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I see lots of redundancy (in a good way).

Redundancy in a covid season with a compressed schedule is essential. The teams that don't have a deep bench can easily be in trouble