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blessednegr0 · 07-03-2012, 09:48 PM

Our targets at this point should be: 1)definitely Dragic. I know he only had small spurts of productivity and has never been a full time starter. But he definitely adds to Mavericks. I wouldn't give him more then 8 mil a year. And have no problem with a 4 year contract. He will be a stud when given time. Plus he is YOUNG. Enough of this
Nash talk.

Sign Marcus Camby to 2-3 Mil per year over 2 years. He is an UPGRADE over Haywood. Even at his age.

Sign Delonte cheap to a two year deal to back up Dragic. Delonte was great last year. Roddy becomes our new Jason Terry. He doesn't have to compete to be the spark off the bench. He can check in looking to score and not to contribute.

We NEED to following players to get young and stay competitive. Any combination of: Brandon Rush, Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, JR smith (I know kill me), Brandon Roy, Michael Beasley, Anthony Randolph, AND/OR McGee. And hear me out on McGee. He is the weakside defender that we need to help Dirk. He will only get better with time. Plus we need a serious youth movement. McGee I already have rated higher then Deandre Jordan. And I think we can get him for cheaper.

Our advantage is not too many teams have cap at the moment. Brooklyn is tapped out. Suns... Well, suck... Timberwolves offered that crazy amount to Batum. And then Toronto is not a great destination for NBA players. I think the ball is in our court. We just need to make some good moves.

I dont think the world is ending like some of the rest of you. Deron Williams is nice. However, it didn't happen. So lets move on.

pepe · 07-03-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blessednegr0

Our targets at this point should be: 1)definitely Dragic. I know he only had small spurts of productivity and has never been a full time starter. But he definitely adds to Mavericks. I wouldn't give him more then 8 mil a year. And have no problem with a 4 year contract. He will be a stud when given time. Plus he is YOUNG. Enough of this
Nash talk.

Sign Marcus Camby to 2-3 Mil per year over 2 years. He is an UPGRADE over Haywood. Even at his age.

Sign Delonte cheap to a two year deal to back up Dragic. Delonte was great last year. Roddy becomes our new Jason Terry. He doesn't have to compete to be the spark off the bench. He can check in looking to score and not to contribute.

We NEED to following players to get young and stay competitive. Any combination of: Brandon Rush, Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, JR smith (I know kill me), Brandon Roy, Michael Beasley, Anthony Randolph, AND/OR McGee. And hear me out on McGee. He is the weakside defender that we need to help Dirk. He will only get better with time. Plus we need a serious youth movement. McGee I already have rated higher then Deandre Jordan. And I think we can get him for cheaper.

Our advantage is not too many teams have cap at the moment. Brooklyn is tapped out. Suns... Well, suck... Timberwolves offered that crazy amount to Batum. And then Toronto is not a great destination for NBA players. I think the ball is in our court. We just need to make some good moves.

I dont think the world is ending like some of the rest of you. Deron Williams is nice. However, it didn't happen. So lets move on.

Agree with your way of thinking...we need to get younger if anything

purplefrog · 07-03-2012, 09:59 PM

I'm for two or three years of Dirk and friends. Go all in and get Nash. Sign Kaman. Amnesty Haywood. Put some relatively young pieces around that group like Lee, Mayo, or Rush. Dirk will enjoy coming to work and trying to help his buds win a championship (they might not get close but they will have fun trying). It will be entertaining and you won't have to worry about watching a painfully anemic offense. You can try to trade some of those pieces later but plan on letting Dirk and friends play out their careers and then rebuild in 2015-2016. Seems to me like this is a relatively happy ending to a bitter story of bad luck in signing free agents.

oilfieldtrash · 07-03-2012, 09:55 PM

Dragic, Dragic, Dragic. Get f@cking DRAGIC!!!

oilfieldtrash · 07-03-2012, 10:04 PM

Screw Deron. He was getting a little thick and slowing down anyways. By the time he's 32 he'll be an undersized power forward with the extra lbs he's been putting on.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 10:16 PM

People are abusing and misusing that gif. Not cool.

chumdawg · 07-03-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

People are abusing and misusing that gif. Not cool.

Was that Kane applauding his wife even though she sucked at singing?

mac222b · 07-03-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Was that Kane applauding his wife even though she sucked at singing?

Yup. After he built the opera house for her

FreshJive · 07-03-2012, 10:55 PM

Just go get Nash, so we can have a little fun until Dirk is done. None of this keeping the pussy dry just to tease us again next summer.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Was that Kane applauding his wife even though she sucked at singing?

Yessir.

pepe · 07-03-2012, 10:16 PM

Are the Nets looking at a payroll of like $74 Million?..no stiff penalties for luxury tax?

If that is the case how much will it cost for Dirk, Gasol, Goran and BRush? keeping BWright, DWest and Roddy and the 3 rookies? Can't be that much.

And if anybody knows...how valuable are expiring contracts in the CBA? Gasol will be one next year.

spreedom · 07-03-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Are the Nets looking at a payroll of like $74 Million?..no stiff penalties for luxury tax?

If that is the case how much will it cost for Dirk, Gasol, Goran and BRush? keeping BWright, DWest and Roddy and the 3 rookies? Can't be that much.

And if anybody knows...how valuable are expiring contracts in the CBA? Gasol will be one next year.

No, there are penalties that will be kicking in... Prokhorov is just willing to pay them.

tcat075 · 07-03-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

No, there are penalties that will be kicking in... Prokhorov is just willing to pay them.

It will be normal luxury tax penalties this year ($1 lux tax for each $1 over the cap), then it starts ramping up. People say Prokhorov is a $15 billion dollar man, so I suppose it's a risk he's willing to tax. Obviously, if the Nets win a title or even just get to the Finals, the money is going to easily cover what he spent on the team. New York teams make money, period.

chumdawg · 07-03-2012, 10:56 PM

I hate to ask this, but...what's the salary floor in this new CBA?

Skywalker · 07-03-2012, 10:58 PM

gimme this, cubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qE8KqWgblI

he's worth it

pepe · 07-03-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

gimme this, cubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qE8KqWgblI

he's worth it

Goran is not a conventional point guard, He is an efficient shooter 44% FG and 36% 3PT in the last 3 years but since last year all star the guy has average like 16 points 8 assists....In the previous 3 years like 8/3

I wish we could get him..If the Mavs can get 16/8 from the point guard spot for the next 3-4 years they are set

Songbard · 07-04-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

gimme this, cubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qE8KqWgblI

he's worth it

I would love Dragic... seems like a team guy, hard worker, confident, won't disappear at important times, not afraid of taking a big shot.
He scared the crap out of me in some of those Mavs/Rockets games this year. I thought we were going to lose just based on what he would make happen.

dirk2003 · 07-03-2012, 11:04 PM

Tyreke Evans anyone? Can stick him at the 1 or 2 and Kings don't want much for him.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk2003

Tyreke Evans anyone? Can stick him at the 1 or 2 and Kings don't want much for him.

Mavs don't have much for him right now.

dirk2003 · 07-03-2012, 11:09 PM

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Mavs don't have much for him right now.

They might take Roddy + throw ins for him. It seems they really just want to dump his ass.

pepe · 07-03-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Mavs don't have much for him right now.

Do we have anything for BRush? If this guy available? I think he is a Restricted Free agent, right? Can we squeeze the warriors somehow?...they have Thompson and Barnes.

Is it any interest in Mavs land?

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Do we have anything for BRush? If this guy available? I think he is a Restricted Free agent, right? Can we squeeze the warriors somehow?...they have Thompson and Barnes.

Is it any interest in Mavs land?

RFA. I haven't heard anything in terms of interest yet. There's more interest in guys like Ray Allen, CJ Miles and others we've already heard about.

Budapest Maverick · 07-04-2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk2003

Tyreke Evans anyone? Can stick him at the 1 or 2 and Kings don't want much for him.

He's a terrible basketball player. In order to be even somewhat remotely effective, he needs to pound the crap out of the ball for like 15 seconds, to see, and get where he wants to be, 2 reasons for that, his below average speed and his bad first step, and obviously, he's a terrible shooter. Not that we would have anything to trade for him, thankfully.

mac222b · 07-04-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

He's a terrible basketball player. In order to be even somewhat remotely effective, he needs to pound the crap out of the ball for like 15 seconds, to see, and get where he wants to be, 2 reasons for that, his below average speed and his bad first step, and obviously, he's a terrible shooter. Not that we would have anything to trade for him, thankfully.

Agreed. Excellent scouting report.

LSMF · 07-03-2012, 11:05 PM

I have no comment for the FO, the way they've screwed things up since our championship has been mind-boggling.

ShadowLink · 07-03-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

I have no comment for the FO, the way they've screwed things up since our championship has been mind-boggling.

This.

I knew that trying to get Deron Williams was a big risk and didn't see a reason for him to join this Mavs team that is getting older..

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 11:17 PM

I think it's funny that people are laughing at other teams for over paying guys and people honestly want us to get into the dragic bidding war and pay him 9-10 mill a year for a guy that has played hard but is far from a star.

It reeks of desperation in the worst way.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think it's funny that people are laughing at other teams for over paying guys and people honestly want us to get into the dragic bidding war and pay him 9-10 mill a year for a guy that has played hard but is far from a star.

It reeks of desperation in the worst way.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. You're getting him for what he can give you now and for what he can potentially give you in the future. To me, he's a guy who has been a great change of pace backup and has performed well in opportunities where he's been given more or actually started.

Last year (per 36 mins): 15.9 points, 7.2 assists with 46% shooting from the field. You can look at the stretch he had to finish the year, actual starter minutes with Lowry out and he averaged around 17 points, 7.7 assists with 48% shooting and 37% shooting from range. He saw a nice uptick in PER, as well.

I think he needs work from three-point land, but he's a fearless guy who will attack the basket.

He still needs more grooming, but I'm sold he's worth the money.

NoTnERb · 07-03-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'll have to respectfully disagree. You're getting him for what he can give you now and for what he can potentially give you in the future. To me, he's a guy who has been a great change of pace backup and has performed well in opportunities where he's been given more or actually started.

Last year (per 36 mins): 15.9 points, 7.2 assists with 46% shooting from the field. You can look at the stretch he had to finish the year, actual starter minutes with Lowry out and he averaged around 17 points, 7.7 assists with 48% shooting and 37% shooting from range. He saw a nice uptick in PER, as well.

I think he needs work from three-point land, but he's a fearless guy who will attack the basket.

He still needs more grooming, but I'm sold he's worth the money.

definitely. I've been keeping an eye on him ever since his phoenix days. I always felt that he was a hard working player and every time he stepped on the court he would change the pace. He was just hindered by limited minutes and backing up one of the best PGs of the league. He can create his own shots (both inside and outside), had flashes of steve nash's passing, played smart, and was active in the defensive end. I saw his 23 point 4th quarter performance against the spurs in the playoffs, and I saw him dismantle the Lakers last season (because my brother's a Lakers fan). How many point guards in the league can you name that can almost single handedly shred the Lakers defense, inside and out?

chumdawg · 07-03-2012, 11:48 PM

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How many point guards in the league can you name that can almost single handedly shred the Lakers defense, inside and out?

Here's one: Jose Juan Barea!

NoTnERb · 07-03-2012, 11:57 PM

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Here's one: Jose Juan Barea!

JJB = 12points 4 assist
Dragic = 26 points 11 assist 4 rebs 3 steals

not even close

PS
Good catch though, didn't think anybody would remember JJB's game 2 performance

pepe · 07-03-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Here's one: Jose Juan Barea!

That was funny...he was actually a thorn to the lakers, probably a good case for Goran. A seven inch taller JJ

Scott McGuire · 07-04-2012, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'll have to respectfully disagree. You're getting him for what he can give you now and for what he can potentially give you in the future. To me, he's a guy who has been a great change of pace backup and has performed well in opportunities where he's been given more or actually started.

Last year (per 36 mins): 15.9 points, 7.2 assists with 46% shooting from the field. You can look at the stretch he had to finish the year, actual starter minutes with Lowry out and he averaged around 17 points, 7.7 assists with 48% shooting and 37% shooting from range. He saw a nice uptick in PER, as well.

I think he needs work from three-point land, but he's a fearless guy who will attack the basket.

He still needs more grooming, but I'm sold he's worth the money.

I wouldn't say signing Goran Dragic "reeks of desperation", but I still think the enthusiasm for Dragic on here is not looking at his potential to be a fluke a la Charlie Villanueva.

He really could "regress to the mean" after signing a 4/40 contract. We love thinking about guys like Dragic/Ilyasova because it is gamble that could really payoff. We look at Marcin Gortat and see how the gamble works. The downside would be filling up our cap on a middling PG.

Player A 4 Years of PER Player B 4 Years of PER
9.83 --------------------------------16.45
14.87--------------------------------15.82
13.21--------------------------------15.12
18.03--------------------------------18.64
Which is Dragic and which is Villanueva?

I like Dragic and would be excited to have him on the team. However he would take up all our cap unless we amnesty Haywood (which isn't happening unless a Superstar is coming). We'd lose the Odom TPE and our MLE exception. We'd have to fill the rest with minimum contracts. Maybe Kidd comes back for cheap…. maybe not. I think West will stay.

We'd be left with
Dragic Roddy
Carter West Cunningham
Marion FA Crowder
Dirk Wright
Haywood FA James

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think it's funny that people are laughing at other teams for over paying guys and people honestly want us to get into the dragic bidding war and pay him 9-10 mill a year for a guy that has played hard but is far from a star.

It reeks of desperation in the worst way.

I don't think so.
If you want to win... you have to pay. PG is a crucial piece especially here where we don't have a lot of ball handlers. You gotta be kidding me about waiting for the most flaky player in the NBA- Dwight or even further down the crackpipe CP3. Commit to a young guy like Dragic (or Lin) and build around them. Sucks for Dirk but this team will be around LONG after he will.

I wonder how much Dirk believed in getting Deron. Cuban too for that matter, they both should have been there if they wanted to go all out on a pitch. Neither of them were, somehow we had Michael Finleythere. WTF?

howdoesmydirktaste · 07-03-2012, 11:22 PM

Dragic is good. Rick can make him work. We do need to sign a PG. Do any of you biased people on this forum really think we have a shot at Chris Paul next year? I don't. The NBA PG is a young slasher that can make things happen. We tried to get one and struck out. Now we can get one at half price. Do it.