Official Dirk is Great Thread - Page 5 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

aquaadverse · 04-08-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dim499

You're right, I don't know where I got 6-0.

Here's a (maybe not quite fair

) playoff career comparison between Dirk and Kobe.

15 Dirk Nowitzki 82 Games 42,2 Min ,445 FG% ,376 3p% ,878 FT% 11,1 TOT 2,4 AST 2,2 TO 25,2 PTS

27 Kobe Bryant 131 Games 38,8 Min ,439 FG% ,331 3p% ,796 FT% 4,9 TOT 4,5 AST 2,9 TO 23,3 PTS

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1 Michael Jordan 179 Games 41,8 Min ,487 FG% ,332 3p% ,828 FT% 6,4 TOT 5,7 AST 3,0 TO 33,4 PTS

26 Larry Bird 164 Games 42,0 Min ,472 FG% ,321 3p% ,890 FT% 10,3 TOT 6,5 AST 3,1 TO 23,8 PTS

Now put in the number of rings. It's what catapults you from being superior in talent to eternal greatness as one of the best ever. No one cares how good/bad the supporting cast is.

Murphy3 · 04-08-2008, 10:02 AM

I think that Dirk catches the majority of the crap that he catches because he is white. Actually, just listen to the radio when the subject of Dirk comes up. It's almost always the black guy that's calling in saying that he wouldn't be an All-Star if he were black or that he couldn't start on any other playoff team in the West... (heard that last one a couple of weeks ago on 103.3).

Murphy3 · 04-08-2008, 10:03 AM

The fact is that Dirk is one of the greatest players in the history of the game when his team is facing elimination from the NBA playoffs.... I've punched the numbers numerous times... few people add it. Hell, few guys have numbers that resemble Dirk's just in the playoffs alone...

kingmalaki · 04-08-2008, 10:45 PM

I wouldn't say he is soft. He just played some of his worst ball at the biggest stage, and followed it up with a gigantic flameout after winning the MVP. It didn't help that he went against two dudes who morphed into Superman in both of those series, especially the one last year with B.Diddy making clutch plays on one leg. The same thing happened to Karl Malone....great player who just played some of his worst ball when it mattered most.

After the SA series in 06 everyone (including me) thought Dirk turned the corner...and then he had the two bad playoff series. Folks only remember the most recent stuff, especially if it's negative....

ghazi · 04-08-2008, 11:47 PM

I refuse to blame the 2006 finals on Dirk. maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I will go to the grave believing David Stern and his PUPPET salvatore rigged the outcome of that finals to create a fake superstar in Dwayne Whistle.

Dirk wouldn't be viewed so critically for last year's playoff collapse if he had a ring. Which is unfortunate, because I think he deserved a ring in 2006.

aquaadverse · 04-09-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

I refuse to blame the 2006 finals on Dirk. maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I will go to the grave believing David Stern and his PUPPET salvatore rigged the outcome of that finals to create a fake superstar in Dwayne Whistle.

Dirk wouldn't be viewed so critically for last year's playoff collapse if he had a ring. Which is unfortunate, because I think he deserved a ring in 2006.

All very well and good. You get the moral victory. I'm pretty sure the ring wouldn't have trumped all the MVP, 67 wins and 1 seed losing to an 8 seed, Nellie vs Cuban beat down. Having a ring might have an even made it worse in a last year champs losing to the lowest seed story. Sports is a what have you done this year activity.

rabbitproof · 04-09-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaadverse

All very well and good. You get the moral victory. I'm pretty sure the ring wouldn't have trumped all the MVP, 67 wins and 1 seed losing to an 8 seed, Nellie vs Cuban beat down. Having a ring might have an even made it worse in a last year champs losing to the lowest seed story. Sports is a what have you done this year activity.

You are sooooooo 2006 and 2007. Dirk is bad ass royalty this year.

chumdawg · 04-09-2008, 12:18 AM

Dirk

ShaggyDirk · 04-09-2008, 12:49 AM

I thought the Mavs lost game 6. so it must be game 5

fluid.forty.one · 04-09-2008, 12:58 AM

hahahaha

ShaggyDirk · 04-09-2008, 01:03 AM

you know, it really does suck to be a Rocket fan...

bernardos70 · 04-09-2008, 01:20 AM

It looks as though Jeff can't even stand to look at it, and has his sights set far, far away, at about halfcourt.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2008, 01:21 AM

That's a road game in that playoff series, so that means it's Game 3, 4, or 6.

The Rockets won rather handily in Game 6, so I'd say it's either Game 3 or 4, even though Houston was already leading the series.

Now it's time for Chum to step in and give a smarmy pat-on-the-head post with regards to my deduction skills.

chumdawg · 04-09-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Now it's time for Chum to step in and give a smarmy pat-on-the-head post with regards to my deduction skills.

My recollection was off by a game or three. Thank goodness Bernie didn't have any trouble sorting it out regardless.

I say "thank goodness" because that is one of the best basketball pics you will ever see. The ball is still in the guy's hands, mind you, and every one paying attention knows what is about to happen.

Man, I miss that Jason Terry.

bernardos70 · 04-09-2008, 01:33 AM

Dallas Mavericks v Houston Rockets - West QF Game 4
HOUSTON - APRIL 30: Jason Terry #31 of the Dallas Mavericks shoots a three-pointer to seal their victory over the Houston Rockets in Game four of the Western Conference Quarterfinals during the 2005 NBA Playoffs on April 30, 2005 at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas. The Mavs defeated the Rockets 97-93 to tie the series 2-2.

dude1394 · 04-09-2008, 03:13 AM

Okay most of this isn't about dirk but the funniest part is. The guy isn't even scared of the hyperbaric chamber!!

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...c-chamber.html

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April 9, 2008
Tales from the hyperbaric chamber
12:40 AM Wed, Apr 09, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Jerry Stackhouse wants to get back on the court as soon as possible, so he's been spending some time in a hyperbaric chamber in hopes that the extra oxygen helps his groin heal.

Hey, it might have worked for Dirk's ankle. It definitely didn't hurt.

Stack might be the toughest-minded Mav, but he admitted that his hyperbaric chamber experience was kinda creepy. You can see through the glass when you're in the chamber, but you're completely enclosed in there. And it makes your ears pop like crazy.

"Everybody left and I kind of freaked out," Stack said with a snicker. "I was like, 'Hey, anybody out there!'"

Dirk, on the other hand, isn't so claustrophobic. He described his four sessions in the hyperbaric chamber as a relaxing experience. He watched movies during the 90-minute sessions at a place in Collin County. Dirk's cinematic selections included Elf, Dodgeball, Zoolander and another lowbrow comedy flick that he couldn't remember.

"You know, I think I got dumber lying in that chamber," he said.

a.weidner · 04-09-2008, 08:11 AM

Dirk in elimination games (13 games total):
27.23 PPG
12.07 RPG
.45 FG%

I posted these stats shortly after we lost against Golden State, when everyone wanted to get rid of Dirk asap. At the time noone seemed to be too impressed though

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My response to a KG for Dirk trade proposal:

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Against Golden State, Dirk was awful by his standards. He averaged:
19.7 PPG
11.3 RPG
.38 FG%

That's actually not that much worse than what Garnett averaged in all the 12 elimination games he played in his NBA career:
19.92 PPG
12.92 RPG
.41 FG%

Dirk's averages in elimination games (13 games total):
27.23 PPG
12.07 RPG
.45 FG%

Now if you wanna argue that Garnett is the better all around player, absolutly. But the rational for trading Dirk would be, that he doesn't get it done under pressure, that he's not able to take games over when it counts.
Well, History suggests the average production you will get from KG, when the season is on the line, will be about what Dirk gave you against Golden State (+3 APG?). Dirk for KG is not an awful trade by any means, but what makes you guys think that with KG at the helm, we could beat the Spurs? What about the Suns? KG couldn't get past the Spurs. Dirk has proven he can, even with Duncan playing at his best.

Flacolaco · 04-09-2008, 08:43 AM

If Mavs win 2 of their next 3 and clinch the 7 seed should Avery sit Dirk for the final game against NO, essentially giving him 5 or 6 days to rest the ankle?

alexamenos · 04-09-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

If Mavs win 2 of their next 3 and clinch the 7 seed should Avery sit Dirk for the final game against NO, essentially giving him 5 or 6 days to rest the ankle?

i'd take it a step further and say as soon as the mavs clinch the 8th seed they should rest dirk. even without dirk they can plausibly hang onto 7, and regardless, a dirk with a healthier ankle (even marginally more healthy) is more important than whether they're 7 or 8.

alexamenos · 04-09-2008, 10:21 AM

and since this is a random dirk is great thread...

randomly I note that the starting two-guard (and key rotation guy) on the team dirk took to the nba finals two years ago can only get garbage time minutes for 50+ loss team this year.

dirk makes his teammates better.

fluid.forty.one · 04-09-2008, 12:15 PM

I know Dirk's ankle is bad, but being the devils advocate I'd have to point out how out of sync we were going into the playoffs last year because of resting down the stretch.

Maybe <20 minutes might be good for him during the last couple games.

ShaggyDirk · 04-09-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I know Dirk's ankle is bad, but being the devils advocate I'd have to point out how out of sync we were going into the playoffs last year because of resting down the stretch.

Maybe <20 minutes might be good for him during the last couple games.

agreed. Sometimes you just have to work the ankle out in order to strengthen it. And you just can't go through life saying "what if" this happens?.

alexamenos · 04-09-2008, 01:15 PM

i dunno....i thought dirk's slidin' (and hence the team's slide) started in march, and the restin' was in part of the response to the slidin', not the other way around.

dirk's rebounding in the latter part of the year always stands out to me -- take a look at the gamelogs...link

the guy almost never went back to back games under 10 rebounds, but then in the last month of the season he only hit double digits in boards once. in his first 64 games of the season, dirk had 5 or fewer rebounds in 8 games. In the last 14 games he had 10 games with 5 or fewer boards....and it wasn't like he was playing dramatically fewer minutes, either.

i maintain that dirk hit a wall, or something, in the last month of the season, and this carried through to the playoffs. the restin' might not have fixed it, but it didn't cause it either.

dude1394 · 04-09-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

i dunno....i thought dirk's slidin' (and hence the team's slide) started in march, and the restin' was in part of the response to the slidin', not the other way around.

dirk's rebounding in the latter part of the year always stands out to me -- take a look at the gamelogs...link

the guy almost never went back to back games under 10 rebounds, but then in the last month of the season he only hit double digits in boards once. in his first 64 games of the season, dirk had 5 or fewer rebounds in 8 games. In the last 14 games he had 10 games with 5 or fewer boards....and it wasn't like he was playing dramatically fewer minutes, either.

i maintain that dirk hit a wall, or something, in the last month of the season, and this carried through to the playoffs. the restin' might not have fixed it, but it didn't cause it either.

Mavs moneyball has something on this.
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/story/2008/4/8/2121/85405

dude1394 · 04-11-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

i dunno....i thought dirk's slidin' (and hence the team's slide) started in march, and the restin' was in part of the response to the slidin', not the other way around.

dirk's rebounding in the latter part of the year always stands out to me -- take a look at the gamelogs...link

the guy almost never went back to back games under 10 rebounds, but then in the last month of the season he only hit double digits in boards once. in his first 64 games of the season, dirk had 5 or fewer rebounds in 8 games. In the last 14 games he had 10 games with 5 or fewer boards....and it wasn't like he was playing dramatically fewer minutes, either.

i maintain that dirk hit a wall, or something, in the last month of the season, and this carried through to the playoffs. the restin' might not have fixed it, but it didn't cause it either.

Dirk heard that ko'ach was going to go smallball and he just got depressed.

fluid.forty.one · 04-09-2008, 02:25 PM

Yeah that makes sense.. and that was the year after the finals run.. plus he played with the national team as well between the seasons right? Not much rest for the big guy.

alexamenos · 04-09-2008, 02:38 PM

^^thanks

dude1394 · 04-09-2008, 11:57 PM

Funny stuff..

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Post-Game: Cuban Backs Avery as Mavs Roll
Date Posted: 4/8/2008 11:32:00 PM By: Bill Ingram
The Mavs got off to a sluggish start, but ultimately managed to blow out the Sonics in a game they had to have as they continue their quest for a playoff berth. With the 99-83 win the Mavs move within two games of clinching a playoff berth, and await the Utah Jazz on Thursday.

Dallas used an 18-4 run in the fourth to put things away. Jason Terry said Avery's half time "pep talk" got his team focused and prepared for the task at hand.

Avery talked about the way he's been working to change his offensive sets since the acquisition of Kidd, which he said sparked a run of "Kidd watching" as the team got used to having a future Hall-of-Famer on their squad. Now he's got them doing a lot more cutting and moving away from the ball to help create easy shots off of Kidd's passes.

Jason Kidd decided he needed to tidy up his locker area before talking to the gathered media, so he picked up box scores and random uniform articles, saying he felt he should "clean up a little bit." He then dropped everything he had picked up on Antoine Wright's chair . . .the next locker over . . .with a big grin on his face.

Dirk usually walks into the locker room calling "What's up ladies!" - though there are actually few "ladies" in the press corps. Tonight was not different, except he called out "What's up ladies - hey HoopsHype." Brandon Bass immediately corrected him saying, "That's HOOPSWORLD, fool." Dirk shrugged at him and said, "I know - I'm just giving them (crap)."

When he got down to business, as he does when the cameras come on, Dirk admitted he's really not quite up to speed since the injury. Avery said he'd like to limit Dirk to 24 minutes per game through the rest of the season, but Dirk said he's not likely to settle for that. Should be interesting to see who wins that battle.

On the Seattle side, PJ said he felt his team played hard, but not smart. He liked what they did with their zone defense, but thought his team lost Jason Terry (22 points) too much - especially in transition. He also was very complimentary of Brandon Bass (13 points) off the bench.

These two teams will meet again in Seattle next week . . .and Jet said he has about 80 tickets set aside for friends and family in what will likely be his last trip to Seattle to play a basketball game. He was very upset about the team leaving his home town, where he grew up watching Gary Payton and the Sonics in their hay day.

Be sure to catch HOOPSWORLD TV for more from tonight's game!

And you should, there are postgame videos with kidd, dirkster, jason, josh and ko'ach..

It's kind of weird, maybe I'm missing these being at the game or something. But I see lot's of local media with microphones but I don't hear these post games very often. Are they right after the game or something?

fluid.forty.one · 04-10-2008, 12:44 AM

I just watched my favorite dirk video and it just made me so mad how much crap dirk gets from the media. He is so freaking awesome.

Five-ofan · 04-11-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I just watched my favorite dirk video and it just made me so mad how much crap dirk gets from the media. He is so freaking awesome.

is the video the one with never too late by three days grace?

fluid.forty.one · 04-11-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

is the video the one with never too late by three days grace?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEAG...eature=related

honorable mentions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9oONJ862SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OmE3...eature=related - not really a dirk video, but almost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v4_r...eature=related - ending sucks obviously
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vy0kI4SMvo - no pump-you-up music here, but still satisfying to watch from start to finish

jleefilled · 04-11-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEAG...eature=related

Good call...That is definitely my favorite as well.

mav_love · 04-10-2008, 10:00 PM

what a cold-blooded, BAMF game-winner tonight by DIRK.

the fight in this guy is freaking unbelievable. NEVER QUESTION IT.

rabbitproof · 04-10-2008, 10:01 PM

nowhereman · 04-10-2008, 10:06 PM

huh this dirk nowitzki guy is pretty good

bernardos70 · 04-11-2008, 01:50 AM

Wrong thread.

dude1394 · 04-11-2008, 10:33 AM

I will call him mini-me.

Flacolaco · 04-11-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I will call him mini-me.

I noticed that on the tv last night...they had a shot of Dirk doing it, and then they cut to Avery and I giggled. (I believe that was after the bs no continuation call)

Norm just said that Dirk absolutely "drowned" that 3 pointer.... Norm...he drained it. He didn't drown it.

fluid.forty.one · 04-11-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I noticed that on the tv last night...they had a shot of Dirk doing it, and then they cut to Avery and I giggled. (I believe that was after the bs no continuation call)

Norm just said that Dirk absolutely "drowned" that 3 pointer.... Norm...he drained it. He didn't drown it.

Dirk murdered that 3 pointer.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-12-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I will call him mini-me.

That is what you do with your arms when you feel like punching the ref.