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Looking at how the Mavs are now would anybody have done that Kidd for Davis and Kaman trade that was on the table?
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No way. Getting baron on this team with that contract and that baggage is not how the Mavs do business and it's why we're one of the best organizations in the game.
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05-13-2010, 05:50 AM
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Boozer strikes me as an interesting chip in this offseason. He's the one "big-name" free agent--albeit a notch below the top guys--that his own team doesn't seem to want. Now, I think he'd be a horrible fit for the Mavs--but I'm wondering about the possibility of a DUST chip-Boozer S&T-Sammy Superstar 3-way.
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05-13-2010, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bobatundi
Boozer strikes me as an interesting chip in this offseason. He's the one "big-name" free agent--albeit a notch below the top guys--that his own team doesn't seem to want. Now, I think he'd be a horrible fit for the Mavs--but I'm wondering about the possibility of a DUST chip-Boozer S&T-Sammy Superstar 3-way.
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Boozer and Miami were huge rumors during the season and offseason. Then again, you can't get Wade if Boozer's landing in Miami. Wade's got his superstar to run with......
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05-13-2010, 01:12 PM
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Boozer and Miami were huge rumors during the season and offseason. Then again, you can't get Wade if Boozer's landing in Miami. Wade's got his superstar to run with......
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Probably right--unless it goes down in a slightly different order. Say D-Wade decides he wants to sign with Dallas, so we have to work out a S&T. Maybe then Boozer gets in the mix, as Miami goes after say Boozer & Johnson. I dunno--I'm just bored. I shouldn't be bored right now, I should be buying my plane tickets to come to Dallas for the WCF...
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05-13-2010, 11:04 AM
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Man oh man, Kaman would be a huge stiffy for the Mavs.
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05-13-2010, 11:26 AM
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I hate the offseason.
Just throwing that out there.
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05-13-2010, 11:50 AM
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I hate the offseason.
Just throwing that out there.
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Worst part is that it isn't even technically the offseason yet...
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05-13-2010, 12:09 PM
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Someone start a countdown to next seasons opener...
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05-13-2010, 01:45 PM
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What if Utah really does decide it wants to keep Boozer--but doesn't want to pay luxury tax? we could swap them Damp + Carroll for Kirilenko + the #9 pick. Saves Utah a crapload of money, gets the Mavs a top 10 pick. Not sure there's anybody in the 9/10 range who is a real game changer at this point, but if we're unable to do anything else with the DUST chip, it's worth a shot, right?
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05-13-2010, 02:13 PM
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What if Utah really does decide it wants to keep Boozer--but doesn't want to pay luxury tax? we could swap them Damp + Carroll for Kirilenko + the #9 pick. Saves Utah a crapload of money, gets the Mavs a top 10 pick. Not sure there's anybody in the 9/10 range who is a real game changer at this point, but if we're unable to do anything else with the DUST chip, it's worth a shot, right?
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True doesn't necessarily have to be sign and trade for a free agent, could be an existing player under contract.
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05-14-2010, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bobatundi
What if Utah really does decide it wants to keep Boozer--but doesn't want to pay luxury tax? we could swap them Damp + Carroll for Kirilenko + the #9 pick. Saves Utah a crapload of money, gets the Mavs a top 10 pick. Not sure there's anybody in the 9/10 range who is a real game changer at this point, but if we're unable to do anything else with the DUST chip, it's worth a shot, right?
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I like your thinking. The goal is obviously win now, but i don't mind thinking about the future at the same time. This way we would have a nice young duo with Roddy and that lottery player. Obviously, you have to try and get Wade or Lebron first. But if that fails, i hope our FO doesn't do something stupid. For example a Roddy, Butler, Damp for Joe Johnson and bad contract, or something like that. Hopefully we won't pull the trigger on something like that. And i want no part of Boozer. He won't make us better.
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05-14-2010, 01:08 PM
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[QUOTE=Budapest Maverick;1101674] But if that fails, i hope our FO doesn't do something stupid. For example a Roddy, Butler, Damp for Joe Johnson and bad contract, or something like that. QUOTE]
if the mavs give up that much for him and his name isnt wade or lebron idk how i'll be a mavsfan next year.in 2 years roddy will be BETTER than JJ.
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05-14-2010, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick
I like your thinking. The goal is obviously win now, but i don't mind thinking about the future at the same time. This way we would have a nice young duo with Roddy and that lottery player. Obviously, you have to try and get Wade or Lebron first. But if that fails, i hope our FO doesn't do something stupid. For example a Roddy, Butler, Damp for Joe Johnson and bad contract, or something like that. Hopefully we won't pull the trigger on something like that. And i want no part of Boozer. He won't make us better.
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no way i'm giving up even Dust/Butler for Joe Johnson at this point. his playoff averages are abysmal. not only this season. Roddy is safe unless it's for Bron or Wade... maybe Bosh. even then i bet the braintrust doesn't do it.
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05-13-2010, 05:23 PM
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We also have a couple of trade exceptions: http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ons.jsp#dallas
Original Deal - Exception Amount - Expiry Date
Nathan Jawai - $736,420 - 20th October 2010
Kris Humphries - $2,900,000 - 11th January 2011
Quinton Ross - $1,033,342 - 14th February 2011
I wonder if we can take back a cheap talent for a team looking to maximize cap space? ex. Beasley.
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05-14-2010, 12:25 PM
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We also have a couple of trade exceptions: http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ons.jsp#dallas
Original Deal - Exception Amount - Expiry Date
Nathan Jawai - $736,420 - 20th October 2010
Kris Humphries - $2,900,000 - 11th January 2011
Quinton Ross - $1,033,342 - 14th February 2011
I wonder if we can take back a cheap talent for a team looking to maximize cap space? ex. Beasley.
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Nice, find, forgot about those, should be an interesting offseason. But Beasley won't work, he's probably around 3-4 million this season. That Humphries one is a nice chunk.
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05-14-2010, 12:33 PM
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We also have a couple of trade exceptions: http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ons.jsp#dallas
Original Deal - Exception Amount - Expiry Date
Nathan Jawai - $736,420 - 20th October 2010
Kris Humphries - $2,900,000 - 11th January 2011
Quinton Ross - $1,033,342 - 14th February 2011
I wonder if we can take back a cheap talent for a team looking to maximize cap space? ex. Beasley.
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Another thing that might come up, is possibly helping a team gain cap space, to sign a free agent, hey a draft pick and the player would squeeze right in.
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05-14-2010, 04:45 PM
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I do Roddy for LeBron or Wade without hesitation; however, my list may end there. I think he'll be better than Joe Johnson by the all-star break if given a chance to play 30 mpg.
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05-14-2010, 05:01 PM
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Definitely agree with you guys, it's good to see that almost everybody here is high on the kid. We can't possibly be all homers, right? Okay, we could be, but still, he's great. I also think Roddy has a chance to be a better player than JJ, but it's really not the main point here. As mac wrote, JJ is not a good playoff performer, and wouldn't be a guarantee to put us over the top, to say the least. He may play better as a second option behind Dirk, but he's definitely not a max player. At least in a perfect world. I say no for any Roddy trade unless Lebron or Wade coming back.
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05-14-2010, 05:32 PM
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Is this a dumb question:
which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy
with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron
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05-14-2010, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Is this a dumb question:
which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy
with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron
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LeBron and lose Roddy is better
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05-14-2010, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Is this a dumb question:
which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy
with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron
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Wow
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05-14-2010, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Is this a dumb question:
which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy
with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron
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If you can get Lebron or Wade and it costs you Booby you take that deal, and with perhaps one exception (Bosh if he doesn't cost you Booby) you don't even consider other trade possibilities that might be out there.
I'd also say that once you get to JJ on down I don't consider Damp + Butler to be a particularly good deal for the Mavs (conditional on whatever other pieces come back the Mavs' way).
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05-15-2010, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Is this a dumb question:
which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy
with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron
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I think its fairly dumb . Simply put, Lebron has a greater, more transcendent effect than Roddy and JJ put together...superduperstar power >>> depth
Lebron is the best player on the planet, I don't even consider Johnson to be a top 20 player.
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05-14-2010, 05:42 PM
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does anyone else think Dust and Caron is alot to give up for Joe Johnson? (who will want close to a max deal).
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05-14-2010, 06:44 PM
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does anyone else think Dust and Caron is alot to give up for Joe Johnson? (who will want close to a max deal).
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Yea, prob too much.
He isn't getting a max deal and he probably knows it.
And Vomit on Shaq idea.
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05-14-2010, 06:55 PM
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Yea, prob too much.
He isn't getting a max deal and he probably knows it.
And Vomit on Shaq idea.
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Ditto on vomiting as far as bringing Shaq here... however if he end up here, he would start over Haywood sensitive arse..
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05-14-2010, 06:55 PM
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does anyone else think Dust and Caron is alot to give up for Joe Johnson? (who will want close to a max deal).
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I think using the Dust and Caron you'd want a franchise player that can carry Dirk for an additional 2-3 years past Dirk's prime. JJ's a tremondous talent, but his head, his attitude, has me questioning a max deal. It was him and the Atl crowd this playoff run, in PHX he wasn't the MAN.....you never know what you get....will he melt under pressure? I mean he has put up awesome stats in the 82, but it's May and June that has me question the value, not only the Chip and Caron, but the handicapping max deal...who knows we create an unguaranteed year at the end, but......Carroll....Terry, JJ before Caron. I'd be happy going into the season with Caron and another piece like an AK47 (for the chip) as mentioned earlier.
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05-14-2010, 06:26 PM
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It'd be an option but are you going the S&T route or do you use the MLE to get him? He's definitely past his prime and I can only see him working in a back-up role, his injuries are basically much-needed vacations for him.
He's running out of big destinations for him to land, so Dallas works.
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05-14-2010, 07:02 PM
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It'd be an option but are you going the S&T route or do you use the MLE to get him? He's definitely past his prime and I can only see him working in a back-up role, his injuries are basically much-needed vacations for him.
He's running out of big destinations for him to land, so Dallas works.
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Vet minimum, Haywood should be a higher priority than Shaq.
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05-14-2010, 07:05 PM
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Vet minimum, Haywood should be a higher priority than Shaq.
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Clearly Haywood is the bigger priority over Shaq. It's safe to say that Shaq only has sporadic semi-dominant games left in him and needs to be relegated to a back-up role. The interesting part will be can his ego handle not being wooed by a ton of teams and taking a massive pay cut.
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05-14-2010, 09:26 PM
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Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.
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05-14-2010, 10:37 PM
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Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.
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First, LeBron adding 30 to 50 wins, in which I am assuming you're meaning during the Regular Season, means nothing. We don't have a problem winning during the Regular Season, it's the playoffs that we just can't get a grasp of.
Second Roddy is not an option and will not be an option in reference to any trade talks.
Trust me we can find a way to play everybody that should be playing if Barea and Najera seem to find a way to get minutes.
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05-14-2010, 10:46 PM
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first off Lebron will be a free agent, so there's no need to discuss a trade with Cleveland.
Second, LeBron adding 30 to 50 wins, in which I am assuming you're meaning during the Regular Season, means nothing. We don't have a problem winning during the Regular Season, it's the playoffs that we just can't get a grasp of.
Third Roddy is not an option and will not be an option in reference to any trade talks.
Trust me we can find a way to play everybody that should be playing if Barea and Najera seem to find a way to get minutes.
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Umm....yes we do have to discuss a trade with Cleveland. Since we are over the cap, the only way to get LeBron is to do a sign & trade with Cleveland...
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05-14-2010, 10:48 PM
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Umm....yes we do have to discuss a trade with Cleveland. Since we are over the cap, the only way to get LeBron is to do a sign & trade with Cleveland...
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I keep forgetting that we're over the cap. Disregard the first part of that message. but from the second point on, i am golden
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I keep forgetting that we're over the cap. Disregard the first part of that message. but from the second point on, i am golden
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If you keep forgetting that we're over the cap, how could we take your analysis seriously?
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05-14-2010, 11:52 PM
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Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.
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30-50 wins...damn i hope we get lebron so we'll be undefeated next year
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Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.
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How awesome would it be for the Mavs to get LeBron and win 105 games during the regular season!!!
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05-14-2010, 11:37 PM
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It's not about standings or rankings, its the fact that LeBron produces so much during games consistently across an entire season.
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05-15-2010, 01:16 AM
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Wouldn't it be great if somehow Shaq influenced Lebron into coming to Dallas just like he almost did with McGrady back when he wanted out of Orlando? We use Damp's contract and then sign Shaq as the backup to Haywood.
Kidd/Roddy
Roddy/Terry
Lebron/Marion
Dirk/Marion
Haywood/Shaq
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