Official trade watch 2020-2021

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Teams don't need the S&T when they can just sign Brunson outright.

Listen, nobody wants Powell or THJ, so you'll have to part with guys we like at some point. Trade while the value is high as long as the return makes sense.

Brunson is in the Eric Bledsoe situation he was in while playing behind Chris Paul on the Clippers (although Brunson is better than Eric). It's really tough because if Brunson was a RFA, then we hold all the cards. As it is, our best shot is a deadline trade. I just don't see Cuban paying 20-25 mil a year for him.

It’s still possible a team needs a Sn’T if he wants to go to a specific team or market, like say NYK or Philly. Of course he could just sign outright with a cap space team. But there aren’t many of those, and those with space would have to need a point guard and Jalen would have to want to be there.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Teams don't need the S&T when they can just sign Brunson outright.

Listen, nobody wants Powell or THJ, so you'll have to part with guys we like at some point. Trade while the value is high as long as the return makes sense.

Brunson is in the Eric Bledsoe situation he was in while playing behind Chris Paul on the Clippers (although Brunson is better than Eric). It's really tough because if Brunson was a RFA, then we hold all the cards. As it is, our best shot is a deadline trade. I just don't see Cuban paying 20-25 mil a year for him.

I guess we will also have to trust that if they DO trade Brunson at the deadline it’s because he and his camp have them some signals that he intends to walk. Or of course that they got an offer they couldn’t refuse or player that fits better. Conversely, if he’s still here after the deadline it should increase confidence that we feel like we have a great shot at retaining him. Of course, this is Cubes we are talking about. They could miscalculate wildly and it wouldn’t surprise anyone at this point.

[BPo001]

Rick Carlisle was known as Finney-Smith’s biggest advocate in Dallas, sources said, and Indiana has been mentioned as a potential destination. League personnel are also monitoring the possibility Dallas waives Willie Cauley-Stein to create a roster spot for Marquese Chriss, who is on his third 10-day deal with the team

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Rick Carlisle was known as Finney-Smith’s biggest advocate in Dallas, sources said, and Indiana has been mentioned as a potential destination. League personnel are also monitoring the possibility Dallas waives Willie Cauley-Stein to create a roster spot for Marquese Chriss, who is on his third 10-day deal with the team

The only thing about Indiana is they have absolutely nothing I want unless they want to ship off Brogdon or Levert for DFS and I can't see that.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

The only thing about Indiana is they have absolutely nothing I want unless they want to ship off Brogdon or Levert for DFS and I can't see that.

I’d take Brogdon and Turner for sure, but agree that we have a package of players they would be interested in.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

The only thing about Indiana is they have absolutely nothing I want unless they want to ship off Brogdon or Levert for DFS and I can't see that.

I want nothing of Lavert. He's another one-dimensional guy like THJ.

Turner is a meh.

Brogdon is exactly what we need as a second playmaker

I think Sabonis is the final piece we need next to KP and Luka. Rebounding, passing, inside scoring.

Turner is the only one out there publicly demanding a trade though.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Brogdon is not healthy though, so that is a gamble. Not sure he is ever healthy.

But if something like Brogdon was involved, then it would have to include Tim's salary.

I could see something like THJ, DFS, Brunson for Brogdon/Turner. I personally wouldn't do that trade, but I have no idea what gets a deal done with the our FO these days. Or what they are even looking for.

[mac222b]

The moment we trade DFS we are right back in the market for a guy just like him. And Cam Reddish just went for a protracted first round pick. Switchy wings are hard to come by. I’d hang onto DFS at all costs. Just pay the man.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Brogdon is not healthy though, so that is a gamble. Not sure he is ever healthy.

But if something like Brogdon was involved, then it would have to include Tim's salary.

I could see something like THJ, DFS, Brunson for Brogdon/Turner. I personally wouldn't do that trade, but I have no idea what gets a deal done with the our FO these days. Or what they are even looking for.

From my understanding I thought brogdon was ineligible to be traded until after this season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

From my understanding I thought brogdon was ineligible to be traded until after this season.

Yes, Brogdon cannot be traded until April, which is after the TDL so he can't be acquired until the offseason.

If we want him, though, we can wait until draft night and then that would allow us to trade the 2022 FRP.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by mac222b

The moment we trade DFS we are right back in the market for a guy just like him. And Cam Reddish just went for a protracted first round pick. Switchy wings are hard to come by. I’d hang onto DFS at all costs. Just pay the man.

DFS is different this season. Hell he had 2 baseline drive dunks last night. He’s attacking way more. Nico and Cuban gotta figure out how to keep him and Brunson.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

DFS is different this season. Hell he had 2 baseline drive dunks last night. He’s attacking way more. Nico and Cuban gotta figure out how to keep him and Brunson.

Yes he definitely has more off the bounce game. I’m sure he works at it and still has room to improve in that regard. I love the dude and I hope we can lock him up for the next four years. Guys that can play 3/4 spots and even guard point of attack in certain matchups are exceedingly rare.

And yes they need to keep Brunson too. I keep going back to how it would look to Luka to have two of the teams top 4 walk. Or even 1 of our top 4! If Cuban is really not willing to pay the tax then the only options are trade KP or THJ. And/Or Powell, Burke and Sterling Brown. Brunson is getting in the neighborhood of 18-22m and Dodo 12-14m I would imagine.

[G-Man]

The Mavs keep talking about needing a secondary ball handler next to Luka...I think they already have him in Brunson. Last year, Carlisle let him get exposed on pick and rolls with his "switch everything" defense, and ended up benching him against the Clips. Thanks to Kidd's more aggressive defense, he no longer gets left on an island against a 6'7" wings, so he's less of a liability. I think Frank will be fine as the 3rd point guard, so I'm all for paying him. i think he's very close to what we'd hoped for when we went hard after Kemba Walker...and for a lot less money.

Keep Jalen, and find some shooters who are less streaky!

[BPo001]

Shams Charania: The Dallas Mavericks are waiving center Willie Cauley-Stein and signing Marquese Chriss to a new two-year deal, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Chriss has averaged 6.8 points and 3.9 rebounds in 12 games for the Mavericks, impressing the team with his energy. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Shams Charania: The Dallas Mavericks are waiving center Willie Cauley-Stein and signing Marquese Chriss to a new two-year deal, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Chriss has averaged 6.8 points and 3.9 rebounds in 12 games for the Mavericks, impressing the team with his energy. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

Nice! Really like his game. Hope it’s two years fully guaranteed, no player option.

[mac222b]

Sucks to lose WCS for trade matching though.

[BPo001]

The Mavericks still haven’t afforded former Villanova point guard Jalen Brunson a contract extension and he has made another leap this season. As The Post has reported multiple times, the Knicks have had Brunson on their radar. Brunson’s father is Rick Brunson — Leon Rose’s initial client when he started his sports agency business out of Cherry Hill, N.J. Thibodeau has had the elder Brunson on his staff for years before he rejoined the Knicks. With “T-Day’’ approaching in 3 ¹/2 weeks, the Mavericks are certainly capable of moving Brunson before the 2018 second-round pick becomes an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks already contacted the Mavericks sometime in the past about Brunson, an NBA source said. “They want him bad,’’ the NBA source said. – via Marc Berman @ New York Post

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by BPo001

The Mavericks still haven’t afforded former Villanova point guard Jalen Brunson a contract extension and he has made another leap this season. As The Post has reported multiple times, the Knicks have had Brunson on their radar. Brunson’s father is Rick Brunson — Leon Rose’s initial client when he started his sports agency business out of Cherry Hill, N.J. Thibodeau has had the elder Brunson on his staff for years before he rejoined the Knicks. With “T-Day’’ approaching in 3 ¹/2 weeks, the Mavericks are certainly capable of moving Brunson before the 2018 second-round pick becomes an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks already contacted the Mavericks sometime in the past about Brunson, an NBA source said. “They want him bad,’’ the NBA source said. – via Marc Berman @ New York Post

I'd probably trade Brunson to get our pick back plus an unprotected future first from the Knicks.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Brunson is reportedly seeking 4/80 which I think is a no brainer. Just dump Tim this summer to do it. Not saying it will be easy, but Nico isn't paid to twiddle his thumbs.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Brunson is reportedly seeking 4/80 which I think is a no brainer. Just dump Tim this summer to do it. Not saying it will be easy, but Nico isn't paid to twiddle his thumbs.

Exactly. We’ve seen wayyyy worse contracts moved in the last few seasons. They can figure out how to move 20m THJ

[DannyFortsonBakedPotato]

Based on the contracts of guys like THJ, Joe Harris, Duncan Robinson, etc., yeah, Brunson will get 20M.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by DannyFortsonBakedPotato

Based on the contracts of guys like THJ, Joe Harris, Duncan Robinson, etc., yeah, Brunson will get 20M.

And none of those guys have the upside of Brunson. He keeps getting better and better and plays a pivotal position.

I even think he'll get a better offer than that.

Again, my mindset has shifted to Luka/Brunson/KP as our big three. Trade anyone else for upgrades.

[BPo001]

They have to pay JB 4/$80 million if that’s his asking price. As other have said lesser players have gotten that. I think JB could get more on the FA market. Hopefully we don’t have to find out. Lock him in. Trade the rest of the guys for upgrades.

[mac222b]

So say we move Tim and re-sign Brunson to 4/80m and DFS gets 4/52. What would the tax bill look like? We would also have the tax payer MLE right?

[mac222b]

Dwight Powell and Trey Burke are expiring too after next season. As is Sterling Brown. Reggie Bullock 3rd year only partial guarantee 3rd year so he has a good contract should be moveable.

Just hope we don’t have to give up a 1st rd. pick to get off of THJ or these other guys.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Rumors that we are the top team to get Turner for either Powell/DFS or Powell/Brunson. I don't take much stock in rumors until closer to the deadline, but obviously I'd pick Powell/DFS if it came to it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pots?share=sms


The reality is that we aren't going to be able to keep both Brunson and DFS this offseason. You're going to have to pick one or the other and even then you'll have to dump money (THJ) elsewhere.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Rumors that we are the top team to get Turner for either Powell/DFS or Powell/Brunson. I don't take much stock in rumors until closer to the deadline, but obviously I'd pick Powell/DFS if it came to it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pots?share=sms


The reality is that we aren't going to be able to keep both Brunson and DFS this offseason. You're going to have to pick one or the other and even then you'll have to dump money (THJ) elsewhere.

This is the last report I saw for Turner. We don’t have 2 first round picks to offer, and I wouldn’t do that if we did.

Indiana has endured an underwhelming season due partly to injuries and COVID outbreaks leading rival executives to believe the Pacers could be in for a roster shakeup as the deadline approaches. The Pacers are seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Myles Turner, the NBA’s top shot blocker, league sources told HoopsHype. 11 hours ago – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Nobody is giving up two firsts for Turner unless they absolutely love him and have firsts stockpiled up. Don't see it.

Not saying the Mavs have any real chance at him, but two firsts is a negotiating tactic and and poor one at best.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Nobody is giving up two firsts for Turner unless they absolutely love him and have firsts stockpiled up. Don't see it.

Not saying the Mavs have any real chance at him, but two firsts is a negotiating tactic and and poor one at best.

Yeah that’s smoke. Indy is not getting 2 firsts

[SMC0007]

I'm still not convinced on KP and Turner at 4/5. Rum protection would be primo, but forwards might feast. I'm sure we could make it work.

[Dallas41]

Turner might have issues now with a previous stress fracture in his foot.

I don't think the Mavs will touch him now especially after they got burnt with J.J. Reddick trade from last year because of his injuries.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Turner might have issues now with a previous stress fracture in his foot.

I don't think the Mavs will touch him now especially after they got burnt with J.J. Reddick trade from last year because of his injuries.

I really hope we don't pay fullprice for Turner. Bigs with foot problems are trouble and I'm not convinced he would play well with KP.

[BPo001]

Marc Stein: The Mavericks have been frequently linked to a trade pursuit of Indiana’s Myles Turner, but league sources say Dallas had already backed off on its interest even before Turner’s foot injury and with its team defense already flourishing at No. 5 overall in defensive efficiency. – via Twitter TheSteinLine

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Marc Stein: The Mavericks have been frequently linked to a trade pursuit of Indiana’s Myles Turner, but league sources say Dallas had already backed off on its interest even before Turner’s foot injury and with its team defense already flourishing at No. 5 overall in defensive efficiency. – via Twitter TheSteinLine

And I trust Stein. It's worse when for some reason people are taking a page from Morey's playbook with ridiculous price tags.

No team is going to offer two firsts for Turner. He might get you a mid to tale single first and a second at best.

And I doubt a deal gets done in general with that foot injury.

There are rumors about Montrezl Harrell being available. I'd be down with that for the right price.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Marc Stein: The Mavericks have been frequently linked to a trade pursuit of Indiana’s Myles Turner, but league sources say Dallas had already backed off on its interest even before Turner’s foot injury and with its team defense already flourishing at No. 5 overall in defensive efficiency. – via Twitter TheSteinLine

I was in favor of taking a swing on Turner just as a bet on talent, but it seems like he was both an imperfect fit for us and one that we didn't have the assets to bid for.

If we have any way to get them, I think PFs like Jerami Grant, Pascal Siakam, John Collins, Larry Nance Jr, or our old homeboy Harrison Barnes should all be on our target list. I don't know if we have the assets to get any of them, but they all seem like they'd slot in pretty nicely next to Porzingis at center.

[DannyFortsonBakedPotato]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I was in favor of taking a swing on Turner just as a bet on talent, but it seems like he was both an imperfect fit for us and one that we didn't have the assets to bid for.

If we have any way to get them, I think PFs like Jerami Grant, Pascal Siakam, John Collins, Larry Nance Jr, or our old homeboy Harrison Barnes should all be on our target list. I don't know if we have the assets to get any of them, but they all seem like they'd slot in pretty nicely next to Porzingis at center.

Siakim would be beyond perfect for us, but no chance there. The rest are all solid fits, especially Collins. But as you mentioned, don't see it happening.

I do think Turner would be a great piece here, but not sure you can start him and KP together. Insane rim protection, but neither are great on the perimeter/in the PnR.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Jerami Grant apparently wants a 4/112 extension and to be the primary offensive weapon on any team that trades for him.

Don't you love when players make demands on 10 win teams? Darling.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DannyFortsonBakedPotato

Siakim would be beyond perfect for us, but no chance there. The rest are all solid fits, especially Collins. But as you mentioned, don't see it happening.

I do think Turner would be a great piece here, but not sure you can start him and KP together. Insane rim protection, but neither are great on the perimeter/in the PnR.

I personally think people are knocking Turner and how fits with KP but John Collins IMO is bad fit defensively next to KP.

Collins would help the offense but I suspect the Mavs defense when they go with lineups of KP, Collins, THJ, Brunson and Luka would turn into a total disaster

Turner might not be the offensive talent that Collins is but he still brings something to the table as a stretch on offense and his defensively it's not even close between him and Collins

I think if the Mavs had to choose knowing J.Kidd's defensive mindset he'd side with Turner but that foot issue makes me thinks the Mavs would clearly pass now unless the Pacers significantly lower their asking price.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Jerami Grant apparently wants a 4/112 extension and to be the primary offensive weapon on any team that trades for him.

Don't you love when players make demands on 10 win teams? Darling.

Uh if you can’t be the primary offensive weapon in Detroit
Where exactly can you go to be the primary?
Back to college? G league? ROFL

[DannyFortsonBakedPotato]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I personally think people are knocking Turner and how fits with KP but John Collins IMO is bad fit defensively next to KP.

Collins would help the offense but I suspect the Mavs defense when they go with lineups of KP, Collins, THJ, Brunson and Luka would turn into a total disaster

Turner might not be the offensive talent that Collins is but he still brings something to the table as a stretch on offense and his defensively it's not even close between him and Collins

I think if the Mavs had to choose knowing J.Kidd's defensive mindset he'd side with Turner but that foot issue makes me thinks the Mavs would clearly pass now unless the Pacers significantly lower their asking price.

Except Collins is much more mobile and can defend better than Turner on the perimeter. That's literally the only edge he has over Turner on defense. Turner is light years better than Collins as a rim protector...but KP is already our rim protector. You can't have two bigs at the same time who struggle to guard the PnR in today's NBA.