Dallas @ Lakers GameDay Thread

[Bayliss]

This is frickin' awful playcalling.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Mavs always manage to do this on nationally televised games. I guess they have no shame.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: dude1394
They look open to me...

Well, apparently you're just not looking hard enough. Pay a little more attention and get back to me.

[ocelot_ark]

STRONG move by Josh taking Kobe to the basket.

[Nash13]

Originally posted by: Charlie Brown
terry is by far the best option at the point. he rarely forces shots. makes the shots he takes. and does a far better job finding open people than marquis or harris. armstrong might be a better passer, but that's only because that's all he thinks about. if you focus on doing one thing and one thing only, you should be pretty good at it. terry provides the best balance. i think terry's poor passing recently coincided with the loss of dampier. dampier provided an easy target whenever terry drove the lane. terry's a work-in-progress at point guard, but i think we should let him learn by giving him more minutes then letting marquis/armstrong take away his minutes at the point. i think it will pay great dividends in the playoffs.

I think overall, Terry is the best option. But right now, Daniels might be better because injuries are forcing him to take more shots. And what some people fail to realize is that we need scoring from Quis. I think he's the second best on this team when it comes to creating his own shot.

And i think Terry is a better shooter, but he's not agressive when it comes to scoring.

And Terry isn't losing minutes to Quis, Harris is.

[Murphy3]

Dirk has to grab an offensive board just so he can get a touch on the offensive end.

Nellie is an idiot.

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Honestly, it's about matchups. Nellie believes that everyone can drive on their man. So, he's calling for that. No, it's not nearly as efficient as Dirk doing his thing, but hey...it's matchup ball. That's just how that dumb fatass Don Nelson rolls.

Can't argue with that. But, it *is* tied at the half. We'll see if we can put the hammer down in the second half here.

[Murphy3]

Only Daniels and Dirk have more than 1 rebound.

[ocelot_ark]

That shot by Kobe at the buzzer should NEVER happen. That's pathetic.

All things being equal, we're not doing that bad. We're playing about as poor as we have this season and we've sustained an 18 point Kobe half and we're still tied. I'm pretty confident we'll pull this one out.

[dude1394]

22 trips to the FT line. Way to be aggressive mavs.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: Murphy3

Well, apparently you're just not looking hard enough. Pay a little more attention and get back to me.

Apparently you are a broken records, find a new one and get back to me.

[Murphy3]

You know what Dude, if you are not capable of looking at the boxscore and watching the game and coming up with a common sense opinion, then so be it. I can honestly say that I don't give a damn about what you have to say. It's just not worth it. Bury your head in the sand if that's what you want to do. I could really care less.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: dude1394
They look open to me...I'm not completely in love with the dirk one-on-one play. I have no issue with that being more reserved for when we go to a half-court game.

I would like to see a center out there however but bradley's line looked pretty sad.

I agree with you there. When we go into that one on one game with Dirk the end result is the team watching Dirk play. I have no problem with the shot attempts the guys are taking but they need to use their common sense. Daniels and Josh know a majority of their shots shouldn't be jumpshots. Their games are in the post and that's where they should stay.

[Bayliss]

Nellie reminds me of some "neo-artist" that just flings sh%t everywhere on the canvas... and then calls it art.

Yeah I guess some people like it. I guess some people would pay big bucks for it. But it's still "throwing sh%t on the wall and hopes it sticks."

[Charlie Brown]

sacramento nearly went to the finals playing a team game and spreading the wealth on offense. detroit won a championship spreading the wealth on offense. so you can win playing that kind of ball, but a big difference between the mavs and the sac/detroit teams (besides sac's superior passing ability and detroit's superior defense) is that the mavs have one player who's clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the team in terms of offensive skill, so the shots need to be allocated accordingly. the mavs aren't doing that this game and once everyone's healthy, i worry that nelson will continue to take shots/touches away from dirk.

[4cwebb]

OK, is there any reason why Daniels has double the shot attempts of Dirk? I'm not a huge hater of Daniels, and he is clearly playing aggressively, but it's not good for this Mavs' team for the ball to not be in Dirk's hands as often as possible on the offensive end.

Disclaimer: I'm not watching the game -- I'm listening on NBA inside ticket -- so I can't see if the Lakers are just doubling Dirk each time he touches the ball. Failing that, I don't think there is any reason for Daniels to out shoot Dirk 12 to 6 in any half of any game unless he has made 70% or greater of his shots (which he hasn't tonight).

The result is that the Mavs are tied with this crappy Lakers team at halftime. Memo to Marquis: this team did pretty well when you weren't playing on the offensive end with Dirk leading the charge (and Stackhouse and Finley taking their turns every once and awhile at being the primary scorers). Feel free to replace Finley or Stackhouse. Please do not try to replace Dirk.

[Charlie Brown]

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
You know what Dude, if you are not capable of looking at the boxscore and watching the game and coming up with a common sense opinion, then so be it. I don't really care. You are no longer worth talking to.

Good because I ALWAYS know what's coming from yourself. Same old, same old. Dirk doesn't shoot enough, dirk doesn't touch it enought, nellie is an idiot, no one should shoot unless dirk touches it, we should be like the lakers and have dirk throw up 17 shots a half. whatever.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: 4cwebb
OK, is there any reason why Daniels has double the shot attempts of Dirk? I'm not a huge hater of Daniels, and he is clearly playing aggressively, but it's not good for this Mavs' team for the ball to not be in Dirk's hands as often as possible on the offensive end.

Disclaimer: I'm not watching the game -- I'm listening on NBA inside ticket -- so I can't see if the Lakers are just doubling Dirk each time he touches the ball. Failing that, I don't think there is any reason for Daniels to out shoot Dirk 12 to 6 in any half of any game unless he has made 70% or greater of his shots (which he hasn't tonight).

The result is that the Mavs are tied with this crappy Lakers team at halftime. Memo to Marquis: this team did pretty well when you weren't playing on the offensive end with Dirk leading the charge (and Stackhouse and Finley taking their turns every once and awhile at being the primary scorers). Feel free to replace Finley or Stackhouse. Please do not try to replace Dirk.

Dirk's nto being doubled. He's simply not getting touches. As soon as Daniels, KVH, Howard, or Stack get the ball on offense, they are trying to take their man off of the dribble.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: dude1394

Good because I ALWAYS know what's coming from yourself. Same old, same old. Dirk doesn't shoot enough, dirk doesn't touch it enought, nellie is an idiot, no one should shoot unless dirk touches it, we should be like the lakers and have dirk throw up 17 shots a half. whatever.

Well it works for the 6ers and the Lakers right? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[ocelot_ark]

My strategy for the second half...point Dirk. That way he can get more touches and it pulls their best rebounder away from the basket. BRILLIANT!

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: 4cwebb
OK, is there any reason why Daniels has double the shot attempts of Dirk? I'm not a huge hater of Daniels, and he is clearly playing aggressively, but it's not good for this Mavs' team for the ball to not be in Dirk's hands as often as possible on the offensive end.

Disclaimer: I'm not watching the game -- I'm listening on NBA inside ticket -- so I can't see if the Lakers are just doubling Dirk each time he touches the ball. Failing that, I don't think there is any reason for Daniels to out shoot Dirk 12 to 6 in any half of any game unless he has made 70% or greater of his shots (which he hasn't tonight).

The result is that the Mavs are tied with this crappy Lakers team at halftime. Memo to Marquis: this team did pretty well when you weren't playing on the offensive end with Dirk leading the charge (and Stackhouse and Finley taking their turns every once and awhile at being the primary scorers). Feel free to replace Finley or Stackhouse. Please do not try to replace Dirk.

Crappy lakers team .500 in the west and at home. If we aren't blowing them out by the first quarter then nellie is an idiot. Oh...yeah and dirk didn't shoot 17 times.

[sike]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Only Daniels and Dirk have more than 1 rebound.

ugh....

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: dude1394

Good because I ALWAYS know what's coming from yourself. Same old, same old. Dirk doesn't shoot enough, dirk doesn't touch it enought, nellie is an idiot, no one should shoot unless dirk touches it, we should be like the lakers and have dirk throw up 17 shots a half. whatever.

I have not mentioned anything about Dirk needing to throw up an insane amount of shots ONE FREAKING time. It's pretty damn obvious that Dirk needs some touches whenever the offense cannot buy a freaking bucket. Yes, I know that the Mavs have gotten to the line 20 times, but they are only shooting 36 freaking percent from the floor. And 6 of the attempts from the line are from Dirk. No, they are not from offensive touches. He was fouled on a 'd' board and he was fouled after an 'o' board. He's simply not touching the ball whenever the offense is struggling. Where is the common sense in that? Tell me. If I'm being remotely unreasonable, give me some freaking examples of HOW I'M BEING UNREASONABLE. If I'm being a damn BROKEN RECORD, it's because the Dirk is simply not getting enough DAMN touches.

[EricaLubarsky]

just the same as last night except the Lakers dont have as many big men and athletic swingmen

[4cwebb]

Originally posted by: dude1394

Good because I ALWAYS know what's coming from yourself. Same old, same old. Dirk doesn't shoot enough, dirk doesn't touch it enought, nellie is an idiot, no one should shoot unless dirk touches it, we should be like the lakers and have dirk throw up 17 shots a half. whatever.

Haven't the Mavs been pretty successful this season when that is the formula? In fact, were it not for all of the injuries that Mavs have suffered this season, they'd probably have a better shot at competing with San Antonio, but since the WC has been realigned, they are stuck in the 4th spot. Still a good place to be heading into the playoffs considering that the 5 - 8 seeds are particularly strong (especially since the CWebb trade).

[Murphy3]

NO ONE IS FREAKING CALLING FOR DIRK TO SHOOT THE BALL EVERY DAMN TIME DOWN THE COURT. NO ONE.

You are doing ONE THING whenever you resort to that argument Dude. You are losing the argument. You have nothing to counter what others are saying so you are twising what they have to say. I expect more from you than that. No one is asking for Dirk to shoot the ball 17 damn times in the first half. We're asking for some of the offense to run through Dirk. We're asking for one of the most dominant offensive players in the league to have the opportunity to help the team out on offense. Do not twist my words.

[chumdawg]

Do you think that one significant reason why Dirk isn't getting enough touches is that we have far less than championship caliber point guard play on this team?

[EricaLubarsky]

the good news is that we were only outrebounded by 5 at the half. At one point they were doubling us up, and in the second they led the battle of the boards by 10.

Good news is that I never thought that a team that played poor defense (allowing 49% FG), had poor offense (36%), was nearly doubled up on assists (15-8), was outrebounded by 5 (26-21) could be tied after 24 minutes of play

[MavsFanFinley]

52-52 at the half:

Howard (20) 3-8, 6pts, 1rb, 1blk

Dirk (21) 3-6, 5-6, 11pts, 8rbs, 2as, 1blk

Bradley (10) 2-2, 4pts, 1rb, 1blk

Stackhouse (17) 1-6, 4-4, 6pts, 1rb, 1to, 1stl

Terry (13) 2-3, 1-1, 5pts, 1rb, 3as

Henderson (7) 1-1, 1-1, 3pts, 1rb, 1to

KVH (12) 0-6, 0-1, 4-4, 4pts, 1rb, 1stl

Armstrong (4) 2-2, 2pts, 1as

Daniels (16) 4-12, 0-1, 3-4, 11pts, 7rbs, 2as, 1to, 1stl


I guess some guys took a page out of Finley's book on rebounding. I'm pretty sure Dirk is the only one working for them. I think Daniels rebounded 4 of his own misses.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: chumdawg
Do you think that one significant reason why Dirk isn't getting enough touches is that we have far less than championship caliber point guard play on this team?

Sure, it's possible that that could slightly impact him getting the ball. However, it isn't that difficult to put Dirk on the post and to throw him the ball. It really isn't. It's not difficult to give him the ball from time to time when he's closer than 28-30 feet from the bucket.

Plus, has mediocre point guard play impacted Dirks ability to get ample touches throughout most of this season? No, not for the most part.

[chumdawg]

How many minutes will Bradley get in the second half? Henderson? Van Horn?

How many shots/FT's will Dirk attempt in the second half?

Help me sweat this one in, guys. I've got a parlay on the Mavs minus 3 and over 205. I like my chances at this point.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Damn Dirk's 5-6 from the field. I had no idea he was shooting that well. Dirk needs to start calling for the ball.

[EricaLubarsky]

well we might need Bradley's one-dimensional offensive game out there if no one else scores and Dirk can't get the ball. [img]i/expressions/moon.gif[/img]

[FilthyFinMavs]

BTW, am I the only one who caught Bill Walton say Jason Terry was a great free agent acquistion lol?

[sike]

too many turnovers

[PepperTheMavsFan41]

Great start to the 2nd!!!


We dont get a rebound.


Shocking.

[tgfan]

Phantom foul call there on Bradley. Did he even touch Mihm?

[ocelot_ark]

that's from the free throw line, dirk's 3-6

[sike]

and 1! Stackattack