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Dtownsfinest · 02-06-2008, 02:24 PM

I like this deal for the Suns. Suns are fast paced but we all know the game slows down a bit when the playoffs come around. We may not see how much they benefit from Shaq's presence until the post season comes around. Its a good deal for the Suns. Marion was unhappy and i'm sure at this point his teammates are about sick of hearing how underrated he is as I am. Why not make a move for shaq? I give the Suns credit for making this deal even though they have the best record in the league. Shaq gives them a legit big man. I can see him giving them a solid 25-28 minutes a night. That' s a deal worth making. Even on his last legs Shaq is still one of the best 5's in the game and with Nash's passing ability I can only imagine its going to make him more effective. I wouldn't right the Suns off yet. Marion is a terrific player but losing him doesn't do much for a Suns team that's been trying to find more minutes for Diaw and Barbosa.

jthig32 · 02-06-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash13

Could the Lakers possibly finish atop of the Pacific division?

Personally, I would be shocked if they didn't, assuming this trade goes through.

Five-ofan · 02-06-2008, 02:29 PM

everyone thats saying dirk is going to have to guard amare i dont think so. I think we will see the mavs go big quite a bit with dirk guarding grant hill. i think we will see the mavs run this lineup out there quite a bit

harris
josh
bass
dirk
dampier/diop

Windmill360 · 02-06-2008, 02:30 PM

how many games has snaq sat out this season?

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

how many games has snaq sat out this season?

I know he just missed two weeks because of a bum hip...

(how bad is that? my GRANDPA missed 2 weeks of work due to a bum hip when he was 64!)

Flacolaco · 02-06-2008, 02:49 PM

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 03:05 PM

Panic among Phoenix Suns fans forums about the Shaq for Marion trade, and I thought i outta share my laughs with you guys. It rings panic among the Suns Fandom and as a mav fanatic, im loving it:

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- so everyone wants a big man huh? well had anyone else read this crap about SHAQ COMIN TO PHOENIX FOR MARION AND DIAW!?!?!?!?!?? i read it in this other site called hoopsworld.com in the little rumors part and its retarded. heres the link, talk amongst yourselves. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=7241

- if this happened.....wow i dont even wanna talk about it.

- Suns Dont Need Shaq! Why? Trade For Camby, Bosh Or Howard Not Shaq! This Deal Sucks! Why Do We Even Need To Make A Trade 34-14! Best Record In The West And Playing Like Crap Too! We Just Need A Bigman To Rebound And Block Shots Thats It. BRING KURT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- What the hell is Steve Kerr thinking... does he really think that a 36 year old Shaq will be able to stay on the court?? This trade would essentially hand the Lakers the Western Conference

- The Suns are dead. We Funeral services will be at US Airways Center at 7:00 tonight

I would really like to know who made this deal Sarver or Kerr which ever one it waas i think they need to be the one to leave which ever one it was just may have lost hope for an NBA championship. There is so much morte out there that we could of got for Marion even though i think we should of kept him. THANKS ALOT SARVER KERR FOR RUINING THE SUNS

Windmill360 · 02-06-2008, 03:08 PM

Lakers v Suns ESPN Feb 20

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 03:13 PM

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- The Suns are dead. We Funeral services will be at US Airways Center at 7:00 tonight

That one is my favorite...

Dirkenstien · 02-06-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I don't believe the reports out of Phoenix that Howard was on the table. That sounds to me like a Phoenix writer trying to justify the trade. What seems more likely to me is a KVH+expirers deal, which Broussard's column seems to suggest.

I don't see this working out well for the Suns.

I agree. There is no way we were going to do that deal. KVH's contract and filler is most likely all that we were offering.

The one guy I feared most in Phoenix was Marion. He can guard anyone, play any position, he's usually the most athletic guy on the floor, and he has a knack for pumping up the crowd and shifting momentum with his thunderous high-flying dunks. He and Nash were a tremendous fast-break combination. I'm glad we don't have to deal with that anymore.

Now Nash gets an aging overweight injury prone Center who can barely get his feet off the floor.

Oh and yeah I almost forgot about Shaq calling Nash's MVP awards TAINTED! Yeah, this will be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Link: http://deadspin.com/sports/shaquille...int-239430.php

bernardos70 · 02-06-2008, 03:28 PM

Recent Career:
Shaq
2005-06: 59 games played
2006-07: 40 games played
2007-08: 32 games played of 46 Heat games

Matrix
2005-06: 81 games played
2006-07: 80 games played
2007-08: 47 games played of 48 Suns games

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Oh and yeah I almost forgot about Shaq calling Nash's MVP awards TAINTED! Yeah, this will be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

...and here I was worrying about him calling Damp "Ericka" if he came to Dallas!

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 03:32 PM

I disagree. This is a trade designed to counter the Lakers. If Shaq gets healthy it works.

The Celtics kicked the Lakers butts twice this year because they outmuscled the LA frontline. Shaq and Amare are a huge powerful duo. Amare will be an impossible match up for Gasol or Odom. The entire LA frontcourt will be in chronic foul trouble when these teams play.

You can't outrun the Lakers, you have to push them off the spot.

This is all dependent on Shaq having a little left in the tank. O'Neal's not going to be playing 40 minutes. He'll play in spots and be used in match up situations.

Phoenix will run when Shaq is out, and pound it down low when he's in.

I also think it further forces Dallas to make a deal.

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

I disagree. This is a trade designed to counter the Lakers. If Shaq gets healthy it works.

What if they don't play the Lakers?

Does this beat San Antonio?

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

I disagree. This is a trade designed to counter the Lakers. If Shaq gets healthy it works.

The Celtics kicked the Lakers butts twice this year because they outmuscled the LA frontline. Shaq and Amare are a huge powerful duo. Amare will be an impossible match up for Gasol or Odom. The entire LA frontcourt will be in chronic foul trouble when these teams play.

You can't outrun the Lakers, you have to push them off the spot.

This is all dependent on Shaq having a little left in the tank. O'Neal's not going to be playing 40 minutes. He'll play in spots and be used in match up situations.

Phoenix will run when Shaq is out, and pound it down low when he's in.

I also think it further forces Dallas to make a deal.

you don't build your team to beat only one team... example : mavs overreaction about playoff exit and people calling for us to build to match golden states. where are Golden state jailbirds today as far as record?

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 03:39 PM

It's not just one team, but I think it was a reaction to the LA deal. The Suns now match up better against San Antonio and Dallas too.

They can play two styles now instead of one (again- providing Shaq gets healthy).

Dirkadirkastan · 02-06-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Link: http://deadspin.com/sports/shaquille...int-239430.php

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and with Dwyane Wade's shoulder having been destroyed at the hands of the vicious Shane Battier,

Right!

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skylive321

you don't build your team to beat only one team... example : mavs overreaction about playoff exit and people calling for us to build to match golden states. where are Golden state jailbirds today as far as record?

Very true - people were calling for us to blow up this team after that series... All we did was get Bass & now we're 2-0 against a team we hadn't beaten in the regular season for the past few years...

The harder the knee jerks, the more it hurts...

Windmill360 · 02-06-2008, 03:45 PM

Lets pull Vlade out of retirement to counter the Suns and Lakers.

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

The Suns now match up better against San Antonio and Dallas too.

(again- providing Shaq gets healthy).

If the first sentence depends on the second sentence, then I'm not too worried... How does he get healthier as he gets older? It's not like he has a torn ligament - his problem is in his joints (and it's a fairly-well documented fact that cartilage in the joints doesn't regenterate...)

Factor in his size/weight and Father Time can be pretty unforgiving...

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If the first sentence depends on the second sentence, then I'm not too worried... How does he get healthier as he gets older? It's not like he has a torn ligament - his problem is in his joints (and it's a fairly-well documented fact that cartilage in the joints doesn't regenterate...)

Factor in his size/weight and Father Time can be pretty unforgiving...

Chuckled a bit there...Something I feel like I learn everyday.

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If the first sentence depends on the second sentence, then I'm not too worried... How does he get healthier as he gets older? It's not like he has a torn ligament - his problem is in his joints (and it's a fairly-well documented fact that cartilage in the joints doesn't regenterate...)

Factor in his size/weight and Father Time can be pretty unforgiving...

You could be right, but there's a decent chance it's just the temporary hip injury and not being in shape that's kept Shaq from playing well.

I'm not a Suns or Dallas fan, so I have no bias in this. It's just how I see it:

At times Phoenix needs to be able to go strong instead of fast. Shaq allows them to do it if he can play. As you point out, the IF has yet to be determined.

Still, Dallas has to do something IF this works out. They can't go into the playoffs as they are if Phoenix and LA have improved a lot. Don't you think?

DelNegro · 02-06-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

The Suns now match up better against San Antonio and Dallas too.

Really? Marion guarded everyone from Parker to Duncan to Dirk. Amare can't guard Duncan, Shaq can't anymore, and Raja Bell can't guard Manu and Parker at the same time. Versus the Mavs, I'm pretty sure they feel pretty good about Dirk's chances versus Hill, Amare or whoever else Dantoni tries guarding him with. Both the Spurs and Mavs have plenty of big bodies to throw at Shaq & Amare and both can space the floor forcing either Shaq or Amare to have to follow a 3 point shooting big man outside the paint.

I don't think this deal helps the Suns against either team.

Usually Lurkin · 02-06-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

At times Phoenix needs to be able to go strong instead of fast. Shaq allows them to do it if he can play. As you point out, the IF has yet to be determined.

I think the bigger question is what is "at times?" and how usefull is Shaq for the rest of the time? Did they give up Marion for Shaq the situational role player?

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 03:56 PM

Also, the Suns surely aren't thinking they're getting Shaq from 5 years ago. I read somewhere that he'll be used like the Celtics used Bill Walton in 1986- in spot duty against the right match ups, not playing huge minutes.

It's a very risky but fascinating deal.

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Also, the Suns surely aren't thinking they're getting Shaq from 5 years ago. I read somewhere that he'll be used like the Celtics used Bill Walton in 1986- in spot duty against the right match ups, not playing huge minutes.

It's a very risky but fascinating deal.

just to entertain my curiosity.. what team do you support minkbarn?

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

You could be right, but there's a decent chance it's just the temporary hip injury and not being in shape that's kept Shaq from playing well.

I'm not a Suns or Dallas fan, so I have no bias in this. It's just how I see it:

At times Phoenix needs to be able to go strong instead of fast. Shaq allows them to do it if he can play. As you point out, the IF has yet to be determined.

Still, Dallas has to do something IF this works out. They can't go into the playoffs as they are if Phoenix and LA have improved a lot. Don't you think?

Not really - I think Gasol & Shaq were acquired so each team could beat each other...

Gasol doesn't scare me because if Dirk could ever be accused of being "soft" then Gasol is the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man... As long as Kobe doesn't go off for 62 points then we'll still beat the Lakers (no different than before they acquired Gasol...)

And Shaq? I'll believe that he'll improve Phoenix when I see it - he obviously can't keep up with the run-and-gun, so it's a matter of whether or not the Suns can actually play half-court basketball... Damp matches up better with Shaq than he did against Stoudemire & Stoudemire matching up against Dirk isn't any different than Marion matching up against Dirk - he can't cover either of them, but somehow we keep beating the Suns...

Usually Lurkin · 02-06-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

Lakers v Suns ESPN Feb 20

I can't for the life of me really figure out how this helps the Suns. Surely Kerr can't be thinking that this one trade will turn the entire team into a useful traditional half-court style? That's just weird. It'd be crazy if it worked out, but that would just be crazy.

This, the tv ratings, is where there is definite benefit, the Lakers and Stern's league became that much more exciting with the potential new-Lakers versus Shaq's new team. But surely the Suns were doing alright already in the marketing department, right? Either this is the back-end of a deal that netted the Suns 2 MVP awards, or we can expect high lottery picks to work their way into Phoenix in some freakish fashion.

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 04:02 PM

"just to entertain my curiosity.. what team do you support minkbarn?"

The Celtics.

My thoughts on them: They have a chance at a title. They're one of about seven teams who do.

I really like the play of both the Suns and Mavs and hope both crush the evil Lakers.

Underdog · 02-06-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

The Celtics.

For how long?

FINtastic · 02-06-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Also, the Suns surely aren't thinking they're getting Shaq from 5 years ago. I read somewhere that he'll be used like the Celtics used Bill Walton in 1986- in spot duty against the right match ups, not playing huge minutes.

It's a very risky but fascinating deal.

You are right. It's fascinating that the Suns would kill their playoff chances in a panic move. Like someone said earlier, it's going to be comical watching the Suns try to match up against Dirk now. I don't know who on that team has a shot in hell of guarding him.

dude1394 · 02-06-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

how many games has snaq sat out this season?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shaqui...eal/index.html

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

"just to entertain my curiosity.. what team do you support minkbarn?"

The Celtics.

My thoughts on them: They have a chance at a title. They're one of about seven teams who do.

I really like the play of both the Suns and Mavs and hope both crush the evil Lakers.

really, even through that disgusting streak they had last year.. spanning 18 games... with delonte west and the rest of that group.. or are you what we call around here A Fair Weather Fan?

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

For how long?

Since Sam Jones and Bill Russell were playing with your old coach, Don Nelson. (Nelson wasn't fast or strong, but he could play.)

thereaper · 02-06-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

It's not just one team, but I think it was a reaction to the LA deal. The Suns now match up better against San Antonio and Dallas too.

They can play two styles now instead of one (again- providing Shaq gets healthy).

Yeah but theira was the style that teams had troubles matching up with, even to some extent Dallas. Do you honestly believe the Mavs will have as much trouble matching up with Shaq as opposed to Marion?

The Mavs should matchup much better with the Suns now, assuming Shaq is on the floor of course.

skylive321 · 02-06-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Since Sam Jones and Bill Russell were playing with your old coach, Don Nelson. (Nelson wasn't fast or strong, but he could play.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bewek4DUNGE

you'd love this then

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skylive321

really, even through that disgusting streak they had last year.. spanning 18 games... with delonte west and the rest of that group.. or are you what we call around here A Fair Weather Fan?

Oddly, I liked that team. They were injured, inexperienced, and tanking; but they had a lot of good developing talent. I hated the Pitino teams, and didn't care for O'Brien's style even though he had some limited success. But I saw every minute of those 18 games, and even found some things to be happy about through it.

thereaper · 02-06-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Also, the Suns surely aren't thinking they're getting Shaq from 5 years ago. I read somewhere that he'll be used like the Celtics used Bill Walton in 1986- in spot duty against the right match ups, not playing huge minutes.

It's a very risky but fascinating deal.

I'd call trading one of your core players away for a spot duty player more than risky.

minkbarn · 02-06-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thereaper

I'd call trading one of your core players away for a spot duty player more than risky.

That's why I brought up the Bill Walton comparison. The Celtics traded a core player, Cedric Maxwell, who was at least as good as Marion for old brittle Walton.

I think the Suns have had it with Marion for behind-the-scenes reasons. A lot of that was hinted at when Boston was trying to get Marion before they acquired Garnett. (He nixed the deal.)

But yeah the trade is really risky. I'm not trying to say it will work, just that it might work and trying to figure out what Phoenix is thinking.

dirt_dobber · 02-06-2008, 05:12 PM

My take on this ......

Shaq will play one year for the Suns while having 2 years left on his contract....
then "somehow" have a career ending injury where after missing the
required 40 games the insurance will pick up his remaining salary for
the Suns next year in the 2008-2009 season

You heard it here first.