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jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I've been trying to tell people this same thing forever. They have a hard time hearing it for some reason.

Ok, let me preface this by saying that you're my boy, Blue. For sure.

But you sir, are not a realist. You are a pessimist of the highest order.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I've been trying to tell people this same thing forever. They have a hard time hearing it for some reason.

You know I love you dude, but I think you are somewhat more pessimist than realist. Case in point:

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showpo...57&postcount=6

Then, they end up winning without one of their four best players, and despite shooting only 43%. So I'm not sure how realistic your concerns were.

CadBane · 02-25-2010, 01:08 AM

Per Haywood-Damp.

It's not that close offensively. Haywood has legitimate moves in the post one on one that Damp does NOT have. Haywood has a very nice jump-hook in the paint. Not to mention his hands are way better and he's twice the finisher Damp is.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ok, let me preface this by saying that you're my boy, Blue. For sure.

But you sir, are not a realist. You are a pessimist of the highest order.

Jinx.

aurelino9 · 02-25-2010, 01:09 AM

As a footnote, Kidd got a steal and is now tied with Pippen for #5 on the All-time steals list. He needs 4 more to pass Maurice Cheeks to become #4, with only Stockton, Jordan and Payton ahead.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ok, let me preface this by saying that you're my boy, Blue. For sure.

But you sir, are not a realist. You are a pessimist of the highest order.

THIS!!!!! The King of Grump (or do you prefer "Grump King"?) is not known for being even keel.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by aurelino9

As a footnote, Kidd got a steal and is now tied with Pippen for #5 on the All-time steals list. He needs 4 more to pass Maurice Cheeks to become #4, with only Stockton, Jordan and Payton ahead.

How AWESOME is this!

clutch#41 · 02-25-2010, 01:12 AM

id take haywood or damp any day!! not even close! theres a reason why damp has been called "Erica" in the past

Mavsfan4ever · 02-25-2010, 01:12 AM

After tonight's showing the sky is the limit for this team barring injury, but I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

id take haywood or damp any day!! not even close! theres a reason why damp has been called "Erica" in the past

Because Shaq is a hilarious douche?

LonghornDub · 02-25-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

id take haywood or damp any day!! not even close! theres a reason why damp has been called "Erica" in the past

Because Shaq is an arrogant d*ck?

*edit* Sike...

Thespiralgoeson · 02-25-2010, 01:16 AM

I have to say, the Haywood/Damp combo is what excites me the most. No more defensive liabilities at center. No more worrying about Damp getting in early foul trouble.

jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

thig, I like damp too...but yes, when all things considered, Haywood is a significantly better offensive player than Damp.

Well...I guess I just don't see where you see that. Better? Yes. Significantly? How? For their careers Damp has slightly lower scoring rate and much better efficiency numbers.

You're not going to dump the ball into them for post play on a regular basis, so I'm not relaly seeing the "significantly better" claim.

Significantly better for this team, yes, simply because he's better at catching a basketball and has better instincts for making himself available for passes. But in a different offensive system I don't think you'd see much difference offensively.

Regardless, I love me some Haywood and having Damp as your backup center is an incredible luxury.

clutch#41 · 02-25-2010, 01:17 AM

haywood is more longer, athletic and a more polished player!! damp has his days dont get me wrong but i hope haywood retires a mav!!

LonghornDub · 02-25-2010, 01:18 AM

The Mavs are going to miss Damp when he's gone, Haywood or not. Mark my words.

BGMaverick9 · 02-25-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I have to say, the Haywood/Damp combo is what excites me the most. No more defensive liabilities at center. No more worrying about Damp getting in early foul trouble.

True, because he won't be the starter

Thespiralgoeson · 02-25-2010, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The Mavs are going to miss Damp when he's gone, Haywood or not. Mark my words.

I'm crossing my fingers that whichever team we send him to ends up waiving him, and the Mavs pick him up again for a small price. If not, then you're right, we will miss him.

Male30Dan · 02-25-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I've been trying to tell people this same thing forever. They have a hard time hearing it for some reason.

In fairness to Spiral, (because comparing his anti-homer traits to your anti-homer traits is a huge insult), he isn't nearly as Eeyore-like as you:

jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm crossing my fingers that whichever team we send him to ends up waiving him, and the Mavs pick him up again for a small price. If not, then you're right, we will miss him.

Before we picked Haywood I would have said there was a 99% chance that was going to happen.

With Haywood it might be slightly less likely, but I'd still consider it very likely.

jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ok, let me preface this by saying that you're my boy, Blue. For sure.

But you sir, are not a realist. You are a pessimist of the highest order.

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You know I love you dude, but I think you are somewhat more pessimist than realist. Case in point:

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showpo...57&postcount=6

Then, they end up winning without one of their four best players, and despite shooting only 43%. So I'm not sure how realistic your concerns were.

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Originally Posted by Male28Dan

In fairness to Spiral, (because comparing his anti-homer traits to your anti-homer traits is a huge insult), he isn't nearly as Eeyore-like as you:

Now we're just dogpiling. lol

Male30Dan · 02-25-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Seriously. That shift key is not going to bite you.

That is the Caps Lock key... Sheesh.

Mavsfan4ever · 02-25-2010, 01:23 AM

Damp/Haywood is a great combo at center I'm going to hate to see Damp go.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-25-2010, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Male28Dan

In fairness to Spiral, (because comparing his anti-homer traits to your anti-homer traits is a huge insult), he isn't nearly as Eeyore-like as you:

I try my best damnit!!

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Significantly better for this team, yes, simply because he's better at catching a basketball and has better instincts for making himself available for passes.

I mean this seriously: you have just made my ENTIRE argument. Damp is often (not only occasionally) poor at the simplest offensive actions like catching the ball, getting open, positioning himself for a score, and finishing.

Not to mention that Haywood is much quicker off the floor, has a better vertical when he does jump, and enjoys dunking the ball in traffic.

brother man, don't let get lost in the stats on this issue...neither have ever been asked to do much offensively. I think Haywood will continue to blossom under Kidd, whereas we know exactly what Damp offers this team.

pkdumas · 02-25-2010, 01:24 AM

In my probably unoriginal opinion, the best thing about the trade was that we got a lot tougher at 3 positions. Stats might not be a huge difference, but we got a big ass serving of intangibles, enthusiasm and toughness. And it's nice to finally have a thug to call our own (c'mon, you know who).

Flacolaco · 02-25-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You know I love you dude, but I think you are somewhat more pessimist than realist. Case in point:

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showpo...57&postcount=6

Then, they end up winning without one of their four best players, and despite shooting only 43%. So I'm not sure how realistic your concerns were.

Realistic?

It's the Lakers, dude. The Lakers. If JET hadn't played like it was 2006, they would have gotten owned pretty hard.

And BTW, I have no trouble with people calling me a pessimist.That's well earned. But if anyone calls into question my passion for this team, then we'll have words.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

In my probably unoriginal opinion, the best thing about the trade was that we got a lot tougher at 3 positions. Stats might not be a huge difference, but we got a big ass serving of intangibles, enthusiasm and toughness. And it's nice to finally have a thug to call our own (c'mon, you know who).

I see exactly what you mean and totally agree...but don't discount the serious talent upgrade we got either.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

But if anyone calls into question my passion for this team, then we'll have words.

don't challenge this man!

he will crush you at a game of words:

Male30Dan · 02-25-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Realistic?

It's the Lakers, dude. The Lakers. If JET hadn't played like it was 2006, they would have gotten owned pretty hard.

And BTW, I have no trouble with people calling me a pessimist.That's well earned. But if anyone calls into question my passion for this team, then we'll have words.

I call into question your passion for this team.

Shall we proceed with having words?

Thespiralgoeson · 02-25-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

I mean this seriously: you have just made my ENTIRE argument. Damp is often (not only occasionally) poor at the simplest offensive actions like catching the ball, getting open, positioning himself for a score, and finishing.

The man's got hands. Something no other Maverick center in recent memory has had.

Flacolaco · 02-25-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Male28Dan

I call into question your passion for this team.

Shall we proceed with having words?

Let the "Yo momma so fat" contest begin!!!

jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

In my probably unoriginal opinion, the best thing about the trade was that we got a lot tougher at 3 positions. Stats might not be a huge difference, but we got a big ass serving of intangibles, enthusiasm and toughness. And it's nice to finally have a thug to call our own (c'mon, you know who).

I think you can see very clearly just what Josh Howard was doing to this thing in the locker room. I'd always thought Josh's attitude stuff was a little overblown..and you can't discount the effect of simply winning games.

But the way these guys are acting after this trade, combined with all the info that is leaking out, has be convinced that Josh had just completely lost his motivation and it was destroying this thing from the inside out.

What a shame.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm crossing my fingers that whichever team we send him to ends up waiving him, and the Mavs pick him up again for a small price. If not, then you're right, we will miss him.

Will the Mavs have money for that after they sign whoever they traded damp's contract to get?

pkdumas · 02-25-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

I see exactly what you mean and totally agree...but don't discount the serious talent upgrade we got either.

Can't disagree with that. Josh and Caron are technically equal talents (potential), but the difference is health and motivation. DeShawn is just meaner than Ross/Singleton. Gooden can actually out-stat Haywood, but obviously we do not need a finesse "center" who is undersized. Haywood is what we need. Gooden can fill a boxscore, but Haywood can change the "geometry of the game".

pkdumas · 02-25-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

But you sir, are not a realist. You are a pessimist of the highest order.

The pessimists are the true diehards.

LonghornDub · 02-25-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Realistic?

It's the Lakers, dude. The Lakers. If JET hadn't played like it was 2006, they would have gotten owned pretty hard.

And BTW, I have no trouble with people calling me a pessimist.That's well earned. But if anyone calls into question my passion for this team, then we'll have words.

I mean, it's very easy to say something was "realistic" ex ante, but ex post your comment clearly was not realistic, because it didn't match up with reality.

As for "It's the Lakers," yes, the Lakers are very good. They would likely beat the Mavs more than 50% of the time. But I'm not ready to crown them just yet. They aren't unbeatable, and they haven't even played that well all year against the best teams (1-1 against the Cavs, 0-2 against the Nuggets, 1-1 against the Celtics, 2-2 against the Mavs, etc.). So I don't feel it was particularly realistic to ask the Mavs to not get embarrassed.

And I don't even remotely question your passion. I just think people deal with things in different ways. But I happen to think your way shades much more toward pessimism than realism, which is fine.

sike · 02-25-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

The man's got hands. Something no other Maverick center in recent memory has had.

Its like he said about himself, he is an "opportunistic scorer". We can't count the number of times teammates have tried to pass to Damp and he simply wasn't aware enough to be looking for the pass. I think that goes away with Haywood.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-25-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Will the Mavs have money for that after they sign whoever they traded damp's contract to get?

I forget how the rules work. Will we still have the MLE or no? If not, I wonder if we could get him for the vet-min. I mean, he is pretty old.

clutch#41 · 02-25-2010, 01:33 AM

caron and howard arent equal talents!!
Caron is aggresive and better defender,that actually loves to play the game
Howard played with no passion and now hes gonna be spending the rest of the year rolling blunts and watching the playoffs!!

jthig32 · 02-25-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Will the Mavs have money for that after they sign whoever they traded damp's contract to get?

Can't imagine that Damp is going to demand much money this summer. And the Mavs will have their Mid and Low exceptions to play with.