Mavs get Parsons!!!

[alby]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Which makes me wonder, does that factor into LeBron's decision? I mean, really, you add Bosh to that Houston starting 5 and that team, not LeBron and the Cavs, is your title favorite for the next two years.

I disagree. Kevin McHale isn't taking them anywhere.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Which makes me wonder, does that factor into LeBron's decision? I mean, really, you add Bosh to that Houston starting 5 and that team, not LeBron and the Cavs, is your title favorite for the next two years.

They may be title favorites in public perception (and thus Vegas), but I wouldn't pick them to actually win the title. Their starting lineup is loaded, but they don't have a championship-caliber coach, and Harden as your primary ballhandler does not a title team make, IMO.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Sounds like the Rockets fully plan to match Parsons if they get Bosh (presumably for a bit under Bosh's max), and that the only way they won't match is if they don't get Bosh.

Interesting. What gives you this impression? Rockets reaching out to Deng & Ariza?

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

https://twitter.com/EarlKSneed:

"Donnie Nelson says no offer sheets on any restricted free agents have been submitted."

"Donnie Nelson says the @dallasmavs are still exploring their options and will need to make a decision by midnight tonight."

??????????????????????

[Underdog]

@DwainPrice: The 72 hour clock on Parsons hasn't started yet. Donnie Nelson said the offer sheet won't be submitted until tonight.

@Caplan_NBA: Nelson told reporters that a sign-and-trade for Parsons is a possibility, which is why offer sheet has not been submitted.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by alby

I hate to play devils advocate, but how is Houston the little brother? They have more rings than us

They have 2 rings that they won in the early 90s (94, 95). I'm convinced that in Head to Head matchups in the Dirk era we have more victories than them. (If anyone is able to pull up the stats of our head to head matchups against the Rockets in the past 12 years I'd really appreciate that.) The only time we met in the playoffs in 2005 we won. Even after they led the series 2-0, we came back to beat them. And we completely dismantled them by a whopping 40 points in Game 7. I feel like there have been numerous regular season games in which they've had us beaten all game, and then in the 4th quarter either Jet or Dirk catches fire and we ended up winning the game. Maybe I was wrong for calling them the little brother, but to me in the Dirk era we've always been one step ahead of them.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

We'll gladly take a trade exemption and
Marion thx.k.bye.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@DwainPrice: The 72 hour clock on Parsons hasn't started yet. Donnie Nelson said the offer sheet won't be submitted until tonight.

@Caplan_NBA: Nelson told reporters that a sign-and-trade for Parsons is a possibility, which is why offer sheet has not been submitted.

But also just have Houston an extra day to get everything they need done.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

We'll gladly take a trade exemption and
Marion thx.k.bye.

They aren't over the cap, I don't see it giving us a trade exemption. Maybe I am wrong?

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

So, what percentage chance do you guys think there is of Parsons playing in a Mavs uniform next year?

No more than 20% imo, and i thought the same thing before Morey came out and said they would match if they can, and since the three days still hasn't started yet, they will resolve this thing. I think they match even if Bosh stays in Miami.

[ocelot_ark]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@DwainPrice: The 72 hour clock on Parsons hasn't started yet. Donnie Nelson said the offer sheet won't be submitted until tonight.

@Caplan_NBA: Nelson told reporters that a sign-and-trade for Parsons is a possibility, which is why offer sheet has not been submitted.

This just blows my mind.

What S&T possibilities could we possibly be looking at?

[alby]

Originally Posted by LSMF

They have 2 rings that they won in the early 90s (94, 95). I'm convinced that in Head to Head matchups in the Dirk era we have more victories than them. (If anyone is able to pull up the stats of our head to head matchups against the Rockets in the past 12 years I'd really appreciate that.) The only time we met in the playoffs in 2005 we won. Even after they led the series 2-0, we came back to beat them. And we completely dismantled them by a whopping 40 points in Game 7. I feel like there have been numerous regular season games in which they've had us beaten all game, and then in the 4th quarter either Jet or Dirk catches fire and we ended up winning the game. Maybe I was wrong for calling them the little brother, but to me in the Dirk era we've always been one step ahead of them.

Oh, I agree with you there. In the Dirk era, there is no contest...even though they've gone through the Tmac/Yao tandem, and now the Harden/Dwight tandem.

I guess I'm looking more at the entire scheme of things.

Somewhat related, I don't bring up the Cowboys' championships when my friends and I talk football (because that was also in the early to mid 90s). But everyone knows the franchise is in the top tier just because of their past successes.

I don't want to get off topic too much.

@espn_macmahon: Donnie Nelson says Mavs talking sign & trade with Rockets. "There’s ways that both sides can win, so it’s just an ongoing process."

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...80335290654721

lame.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by alby

I disagree. Kevin McHale isn't taking them anywhere.

Yep, and i like the Irving-Lebron-Love core a lot more than that. This trio would fit like a glove. Bosh and Howard would also be a great fit, but i'm not that big on Harden as a first option. He's an extremely efficient scorer, but tends to disappear in the playoffs.

[vmac]

The only logical explanation is that Morey said he would match. And Parsons really wants to be a Mav, so S&T is the only option now. Let's see how the next few days play out.

[Underdog]

@DLord_DBdotcom: @mdug let me clarify that daily cutoff is 5 pm ...so 11 pm yesterday and 2 pm today are all the same NBA "day" but 10 pm tonite is not

[Sportstudi]

Well, Parsons is a decent player, but 15 million per year? That's way too much. I know that sometimes you have to overpay players, but this is beyond any reasonable way of thinking. I hope Houston matches the offer. Would like to have him here, but not for this price.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by vmac

The only logical explanation is that Morey said he would match. And Parsons really wants to be a Mav, so S&T is the only option now. Let's see how the next few days play out.

Dallas has known Morey might match the offer. Morey saying he would (if he did in fact say so), is unlikely to have any impact on their thinking, IMO.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

Originally Posted by Sportstudi

Well, Parsons is a decent player, but 15 million per year? That's way too much. I know that sometimes you have to overpay players, but this is beyond any reasonable way of thinking. I hope Houston matches the offer. Would like to have him here, but not for this price.

Cuban is doing us a solid wanting Parsons this bad. He might even take back salary so we can have more cap for Bosh and maybe a SF like Marion or Deng.

I'd rather you have Parsons for $15 mil and we get Marion for $6-7 mil AND Bosh.

Work out for both of us if you love Parsons so much. Just watch out for his bad back.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

Cuban is doing us a solid wanting Parsons this bad. He might even take back salary so we can have more cap for Bosh and maybe a SF like Marion or Deng.

I'd rather you have Parsons for $15 mil and we get Marion for $6-7 mil AND Bosh.

Work out for both of us if you love Parsons so much. Just watch out for his bad back.

Yup, still bitter.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Jeez, could this offseason be anymore convoluted?

Now it might be a sign and trade? Well, at least that would mean we actually get him if that were the case.

[Underdog]

Video of Parsons signing offer sheet in night club

[Underdog]

Here's the thing about a sign-and-trade for Parsons: no clock... Once it's done, it's done.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Sportstudi

Well, Parsons is a decent player, but 15 million per year? That's way too much. I know that sometimes you have to overpay players, but this is beyond any reasonable way of thinking. I hope Houston matches the offer. Would like to have him here, but not for this price.

I think one thing you have to understand is with the new cba and the continued rise in the salary cap, 15 million this year is much different than 15 million in 2 years. Is it overpaying? Sure, but if everyone is willing to overpay then you have to do something to acquire talent. The key is to make sure the talent is the right kind of talent. Personally I think Stephenson is looking like a really nice value. But his character questions are the highest I have seen in quite awhile. Personally I would much rather pay a 25 year old like Parsons 15 million than a 30+ Carmelo 21 million.

[Jack.Kerr]

What trade assets does Dallas have that would ~match a $15MM salary for Parsons?

Wright, $5MM
Felton, $3.8MM
and uhm......
Ellis, $8.5MM?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

What trade assets does Dallas have that would ~match a $15MM salary for Parsons?

Wright, $5MM
Felton, $3.8MM
and uhm......
Ellis, $8.5MM?

We don't have to match since we're under the cap.

[hayth.james.g]

If we are talking SnT with the Rockets, we have to assume they are trying to offload Lin. What are ya'lls take on Lin? He's owed like what 14 mill next year then hes a UFA? Obviously hes not worth that kind of money, but since we are up against the cap anyways and if Cuban is willing to pay the luxury, we could sign the rest to vet mins and have a great team. Lin>Felton imo. This wouldn't affect us going into next years free agency and we would run no risk of hitting the luxury tax consecutive years.

We would have to offer Wright and be willing to take Lins contract. So we can assume it would be something with the following:

Mavs send B Wright.
Rockets send Parsons + Lin.

We could try to include Felton. Houston might be trying for a SnT with Marion included?

[spreedom]

Parsons is a dynamic offensive player who flat out took over a bunch of games for the Rockets last season. Those guys don't grow on trees. $15M per is a steep price to pay for any player that isn't a franchise cornerstone, but at only two years (plus a player option for a third) you have to sign those kind of guys when you can, at almost any price.

If we're doing a sign-and-trade, I'd say it's most likely that we'd be getting Lin back from them... if it's just a straight Marion-for-Chandler swap, the Rockets wouldn't be able to sign Bosh outright at the $20M+ figure they've been discussing. They'll have to unload more salary. And if we're taking on Lin, I really hope we're sending them Mekel and/or Felton. We can't afford an $8M cap hit on a PG if he's a backup.

A starting lineup of Lin/Ellis/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler would be pretty light on the defense, but man... that would be a freaking potent offensive lineup. Or bringing Lin off the bench with Harris starting... that would be pretty great too.

[mac222b]

I would imagine talk are centered around Wright, Marion and/or TPE. No way we take back Lin.
And I think Dallas may actually value Felton some.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If we are talking SnT with the Rockets, we have to assume they are trying to offload Lin. What are ya'lls take on Lin? He's owed like what 14 mill next year then hes a UFA? Obviously hes not worth that kind of money, but since we are up against the cap anyways and if Cuban is willing to pay the luxury, we could sign the rest to vet mins and have a great team. Lin>Felton imo.

If it just means Cuban having to pay more money for one year, then I have no problem taking back Lin - he's definitely an upgrade over Felton or anyone else we could get for vet min. Plus, it would help Houston in their pursuit of Bosh... Win-win.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I would imagine talk are centered around Wright and/or TPE. No way we take back Lin.
And I think Dallas may actually value Felton some.

Why do you say there is no way we take Lin? I mean hes on a one year deal that would put us over the cap. We are already at the cap. Lin is not all the bad. He plays good defense and has some length. If Cuban is willing to pay the luxury whats the issue? As Underdog said... its a clear win-win.

[Sportstudi]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Monta comes off as well, if you assume he declines his player option.

I guess he declines it. If he plays again this well as he did last season, he'll look for a bigger payday.

[dude1394]

Can Lin shoot? We are pretty desperate for a guard that can shoot.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Why do you say there is no way we take Lin? I mean hes on a one year deal that would put us over the cap. We are already at the cap. Lin is not all the bad. He plays good defense and has some length. If Cuban is willing to pay the luxury whats the issue? As Underdog said... its a clear win-win.

I dont see Lin as being the guy worth going over the cap for. They have that card to play in their back pocket and Ive always assumed Cubes would use it at the most opportune moment. Like trading Wright for Gasol. Once it is used a whole lot of flexibility is lost so it better be for a difference maker.

[REEKO_HTOWN]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Can Lin shoot? We are pretty desperate for a guard that can shoot.

What's your definition of 'shoot'?

If you mean can catch and shoot a 3 then, no. He needs the ball in his hands to get rhythm and shoot.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Can Lin shoot? We are pretty desperate for a guard that can shoot.

Lin is serviceable on the offensive side. He shoots a decent mid range shot and has improved from 3. He is strong on the defensive side. All in all I think hes a clear upgrade over Felton.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If it just means Cuban having to pay more money for one year, then I have no problem taking back Lin - he's definitely an upgrade over Felton or anyone else we could get for vet min. Plus, it would help Houston in their pursuit of Bosh... Win-win.

So we'd end up with both Lin and Parsons? Wouldn't that make us the Dallas Rockets?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by REEKO_HTOWN

What's your definition of 'shoot'?

If you mean can catch and shoot a 3 then, no. He needs the ball in his hands to get rhythm and shoot.

Yes that is what I mean. No thanks, we have plenty of penetrating non-shooting guards.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Can Lin shoot? We are pretty desperate for a guard that can shoot.

Lin shot 35.8% from beyond the arc last season... He's no Calderon, but Ellis was 33.0%, Felton 31.8%, Harris 30.7% - he'd be our best 3-point shooter at the guard position.

[dude1394]

If he is a solid three point shooter then I like him in the mix. If not, well Ellis, Felton, Harris strikes fear in no one.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Why do you say there is no way we take Lin? I mean hes on a one year deal that would put us over the cap. We are already at the cap. Lin is not all the bad. He plays good defense and has some length. If Cuban is willing to pay the luxury whats the issue? As Underdog said... its a clear win-win.

To add to this I was surprised they made the Chandler deal when they did. Must assume they got a take it or leave it ultimatum from Phil or the Knicks claimed to have other suitors. Otherwise it made more sense to trade for TC later by going over the cap. It would preserved 3mil in space. An extra 3mil plus dumping Wright could = Parsons AND Stephenson, for instance. I guess the center crop being so thin they couldnt afford to lose out on Tyson.