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sike · 06-24-2009, 04:41 PM

I think ATL is has cast it's lot with JJ...if not, I'm all over that.

sefant77 · 06-24-2009, 04:50 PM

Guys, Thornton is overrated...and what, 26?

Josh is better than Thornton...sadly. Zach is just bluaarg, dont know if Kaman is that much worth. But Carlisle can work with idiots. Would also mean the end of Bass time in Dallas.

sike · 06-24-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Guys, Thornton is overrated...and what, 26?

Josh is better than Thornton...sadly. Zach is just bluaarg, dont know if Kaman is that much worth. But Carlisle can work with idiots. Would also mean the end of Bass time in Dallas.

"bass time"?

tcat075 · 06-24-2009, 05:34 PM

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Because of his comfort level with his teammates and city, and of course, the chance to get an $8 million-$9 million contract, odds are that free agent Jason Kidd will re-sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Yet, he has an intrigue with the New York Knicks that is mutual, and a Knicks source says they plan to try and meet with him once free agency starts on July 1.

Kidd is considering possibilities with Portland and Cleveland, but he always loved New York a lot more than New Jersey. He built good relationships with Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni and Portland’s Nate McMillan when they were assistant coaches for Team USA.

Barring a sign-and-trade deal, the Knicks would be limited to offering Kidd the midlevel exception.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

TheMaverick · 06-24-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

VC > RJ. Get'er done, Mavs.

I agree.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-24-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Why would Kidd want to go to a losing franchise?

I don't think so....

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 09:58 PM

It'll be really lame if Cuban observes that the market is drying up on Kidd and throws him a low-ball offer...if he does that, he's a major d-bag.

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It'll be really lame if Cuban observes that the market is drying up on Kidd and throws him a low-ball offer...if he does that, he's a major d-bag.

If he does *that* he's a d-bag? Dude, he did that five years ago.

Robillion · 06-24-2009, 10:26 PM

Id rather Kidd get his money with us.. that way we will at least have a good trade chip when his contract is closer to expiring next time.

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

If he does *that* he's a d-bag? Dude, he did that five years ago.

I'm living in the NOW.

Now and the future, not looking behind.

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm living in the NOW.

Now and the future, not looking behind.

Not so, if you are giving Cuban a conditional chance not to be a d-bag.

You know what they say about leopards, and all...

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

Id rather Kidd get his money with us.. that way we will at least have a good trade chip when his contract is closer to expiring next time.

As long as we are kinda on the topic now in this thread...let's see...4 and 48 to Nash and he would have been an expiring deal last season...5 and 50 and he would be expiring now. "Future roster flexibility" was bullshit by Cuban at the time, and it's still bullshit now. I said it at the time that Nash was going to get another contract after that Phoenix one. If you were able to realize that Cuban got his pants took down, you knew it too.

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Not so, if you are giving Cuban a conditional chance not to be a d-bag.

You know what they say about leopards, and all...

Nevermind...I don't really need this to go back to Nash, that wasn't my intention at all.

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Nevermind...I don't really need this to go back to Nash, that wasn't my intention at all.

Because you are living in the "NOW," right? I tried to tell you guys five years ago that you were living in the "now" that was gonna last five years or more.

You didn't want to listen to me. Tsk, tsk.

Robillion · 06-24-2009, 11:07 PM

quick question.... can Oberto be traded again from the Pistons? Or when can he rather?

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 11:20 PM

Within a day or so, yes. By himself, that is.

TheMaverick · 06-24-2009, 11:21 PM

I think if it happened again, it would confirm Cuban's d-bagness. The first time was eh, the second time would be insanity.

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Because you are living in the "NOW," right? I tried to tell you guys five years ago that you were living in the "now" that was gonna last five years or more.

You didn't want to listen to me. Tsk, tsk.

First off...I wasn't here five years ago.

No...because the night before the draft, we really need to rehash the hatred of what happened with that deal?

That was not my intention AT ALL with my comment earlier. If i knew it was leading to that, I would have never said it all.

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

First off...I wasn't here five years ago.

No...because the night before the draft, we really need to rehash the hatred of what happened with that deal?

That was not my intention AT ALL with my comment earlier. If i knew it was leading to that, I would have never said it all.

Why, what are you afraid of? Or...is it easier to not know how we got to the shape we are in now?

I could give you an education, brutha...

241mavsrule · 06-24-2009, 11:27 PM

The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O’Neal(notes), a league source told Yahoo! Sports late Thursday night.

Cleveland will send Ben Wallace(notes), Sasha Pavlovic(notes), the 46th pick in Thursday’s draft and cash to the Suns for O’Neal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

darkwitzki · 06-24-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 241mavsrule

The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O’Neal(notes), a league source told Yahoo! Sports late Thursday night.

Cleveland will send Ben Wallace(notes), Sasha Pavlovic(notes), the 46th pick in Thursday’s draft and cash to the Suns for O’Neal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Hmm desperate move to please LeBron?

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Why, what are you afraid of? Or...is it easier to not know how we got to the shape we are in now?

I could give you an education, brutha...

A long debate over something I really don't care about. Nash is gone...we didn't get anything for him, done-zo.

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Hmm desperate move to please LeBron?

Yup yup. King James will be happier now.

Mavsfan4ever · 06-24-2009, 11:32 PM

ESPN is reporting the deal is done now.

chumdawg · 06-24-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

A long debate over something I really don't care about. Nash is gone...we didn't get anything for him, done-zo.

No, it would be a very short debate...and it's something you do care very much about. Ever since that head-in-his-ass mistake by Cuban, we've been chasing the dog's tail. Nobody wants to play for Cuban anymore. Not even his BFF Shaq.

BGMaverick9 · 06-24-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

ESPN is reporting the deal is done now.

1 of these 2 comments are true, maybe both:

Dallas legitimately didn't want to get heavy into the talks of dealing for Shaq.

Phoenix didn't want to send him to Dallas.

If it really could've been just Damp and Stack and 56...then it's gotta be that Phoenix didn't want to deal with us.

darkwitzki · 06-24-2009, 11:42 PM

For salary cap relief..

Milwaukee gave up Jefferson to Spurs
Phoenix gave up Shaq to Cavaliers

Next please..
LA Clippers
Chicago
New Jersey
Charlotte
Philadelphia
Detroit

C'mon Donnie give us a hint?!

TheMaverick · 06-24-2009, 11:47 PM

If I was D. Ferry, I would do anything Lebron asked me to.

Robillion · 06-24-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

THIS IS NOT A RUMOR!!!!

Just a proposal thrown out by a Clips fan (yes there are some out there)
Mavericks trade:
C. Eric Dampier
SG. Matt Carroll
SF. Josh Howard

Clippers trade
SF Al Thornton
PF. Zach Randolph
C. Chris Kaman

How about this MASSIVE trade

Mavericks trade:
C. Eric Dampier
SG. Matt Carroll
SF. Jerry Stackhouse
SF. Josh Howard
PF. S&T Brandon Bass

Mavericks recieve:
SG. Richard Hamilton
SF. Al Thornton
PF. Rasheed Wallace
C. Chris Kaman

Clippers trade:
SF Al Thornton
PF. Zach Randolph
C. Chris Kaman

Clippers receive:
SG. Matt Carroll
SF. Jerry Stackhouse
SF. Josh Howard
PF. Brandon Bass

Pistons trade:
SG. Richard Hamilton
PF. S&T Rasheed Wallace

Pistons recieve:
PF. Zach Randolph
C. Eric Dampier

I am pretty sure all that works out contract/money wise. And I believe there is actually some since to the deal for all parties... especially us of course.

Clippers will be getting out from under their massive contracts and will be getting two pieces of talent in return in Howard and Bass, both cheap and flexible contractually. Stackhouse would be instant savings rather than waiting a year with Dampier. Probably not a better deal out there for them to get out from under those contracts.

Pistons get the size they desire, and some cap flexibility still with Dampier coming off the books in time for the big free agent class. Even though Randolph isnt much on the defensive end, he is still an offensive/rebounding monster. Also, even though Randolph's contract is a bit higher than Rip's, it is 2 years shorter so there will still be some definite savings in it for them.

Us.. well do I have to explain? Championships for the forseeable future is what I see. Though we would be taking on a lot of salary. Our notable line up would be:

Kidd
Rip/Terry
Thornton/Marion(w/MLE)
Dirk/R.Wallace
Kaman

Id call that a successful summer, heh.

AxdemxO · 06-25-2009, 12:24 AM

Damp/ Williams
for
Hinrich

Josh/Bass/pick
for
Josh/Josh

Stack/Terry/pick
for
Kamen/Davis

SnT Kidd
for
Webster/ Fry

New line up

Kamen/Hollins/ Fry
Dirk/Fry/ Smith
J.Smith/ J.Childress/ Wright
Webster/Childress/ Wright
Davis/ Hinrich/ JJ

Yee I was bored

Justin Credible · 06-25-2009, 12:26 AM

So what do you guys really think the chances are of landing Rip Hamilton without having to give up any of our core/rotation players? It seems like Stack/Shawne would almost get it done salary wise, but I don't know if they're really trying to dump salary like that.. I know the word is that they're up for getting rid of Rip to make room for other players, but I don't know how true any of that is.

I think if we were able to keep Damp or Stack and our draft picks as well as Jet/s&t Bass and still pull Rip with Stack or Damp/Shawne/(draft picks?) then we'd be able to really do some good stuff this offseason. If we traded Damp to Detroit and kept Stack/Jet/Bass as trade pieces then we could potentially pull Kamen/Camby from the Clippers and still have the MLE to sign another rotation player, whether defensive or offensive.

idk.. I'm not gonna lie, I'm scared of the Spurs now and really am thinking about what the Mavs could possibly do to stay at a competitive level with them.. It seems as if you can stay competitive with the (healthy) Spurs with that lineup then you can basically be competitive with any team in the league.

BGMaverick9 · 06-25-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

So what do you guys really think the chances are of landing Rip Hamilton without having to give up any of our core/rotation players? It seems like Stack/Shawne would almost get it done salary wise, but I don't know if they're really trying to dump salary like that.. I know the word is that they're up for getting rid of Rip to make room for other players, but I don't know how true any of that is.

I think if we were able to keep Damp or Stack and our draft picks as well as Jet/s&t Bass and still pull Rip with Stack or Damp/Shawne/(draft picks?) then we'd be able to really do some good stuff this offseason. If we traded Damp to Detroit and kept Stack/Jet/Bass as trade pieces then we could potentially pull Kamen/Camby from the Clippers and still have the MLE to sign another rotation player, whether defensive or offensive.

idk.. I'm not gonna lie, I'm scared of the Spurs now and really am thinking about what the Mavs could possibly do to stay at a competitive level with them.. It seems as if you can stay competitive with the (healthy) Spurs with that lineup then you can basically be competitive with any team in the league.

Slim and none.
I talked to some Detroit peeps on another board and they're not down for the salary dump.

They want a quality big man to go back in return. Price tag will be too high to make it worth it for Bass. Damp is better than what they have but not the right value for Rip.

Justin Credible · 06-25-2009, 12:32 AM

I'll also add that I think that the core of JJ B/Kidd/Dirk/Howard/Wright/Hollins is more than sufficient to build a championship-caliber team around. I know that Howard is more attractive financially, but I can't help but say that I'd rather see Jet go any day of the week. Josh Howard is a great player no matter what stupid crap he does off the court, and I really believe that we need to keep him in our core if we want to be successful. I don't see any viable trades with Howard that benefit us outside of financially.. Every trade involving Howard that's been thrown out there has filled one gap while creating another one, which is the antithesis of progress.

sefant77 · 06-25-2009, 03:58 AM

Spurs spent their 10 mio expiring, Cavs their huge Wallace contract.

At least we are kind of the last team with huge expiring contracts that wanna add salary beside Houston with the 21mio T-Mac contract. That will be really hard to move but in my darkest dreams i allready expect they trade him for Nash+x

Btw what about JRich since die Suns blow it up? I would prefer Carter more, so i hope the Mavs will demand a soon yes or no from the Nets or move on to get JRich.

Stack/Williams/George for JRich
Josh + Bass for Carter
Damp for Kaman

Kidd
JRich
Carter (semi-good)
Dirk
Kaman

Funny thoughts (Kidd with Carter and JRich) but even Cuban would be too cheap for that but at least we would go back winning tons of games 130-125

bobatundi · 06-25-2009, 08:12 AM

Detroit might still be in salary dump mode. Let's not forget, you can now purchase a home in Detroit for the price of a pair of lower-level seats to an NBA game; they have to consider where their revenue is going to be coming from, regardless of what the cap is.

darkwitzki · 06-25-2009, 08:15 AM

Am scared were gonna end up with TMac..

craggmac · 06-25-2009, 08:41 AM

My gosh, look at the series of events that have unfolded here!

1) The Cleavland Cavs lost in the playoffs
2) They realized that the reason they lost was because they got beat at the center position
3) Immediately after the season was over, they traded for a center!

I mean, what the hell? Aren't they supposed to go after an older veteran point guard first? Or maybe a couple of back up guards? Or maybe a scrub center to back up their already sorry ass center? What are they thinkin'?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2009, 08:51 AM

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My gosh, look at the series of events that have unfolded here!

1) The Cleavland Cavs lost in the playoffs
2) They realized that the reason they lost was because they got beat at the center position
3) Immediately after the season was over, they traded for a center!

I mean, what the hell? Aren't they supposed to go after an older veteran point guard first? Or maybe a couple of back up guards? Or maybe a scrub center to back up their already sorry ass center? What are they thinkin'?

Exactly. This is exactly why me, myself, and others are pissed about the RJ trade as well. It's not THAT the Spurs got RJ or THAT the Cavs got Shaq. The simple fact is, both of those teams knew they had to do to make improvements to win/keep winning championships and got sh8t done. Whereas, we trade two spots down in the draft for a Mcmuffin and some brownies.

Yippie.

sike · 06-25-2009, 09:10 AM

bye bye RJ....bye bye Shaq....both had for peanuts.

Neither are the names I'm most interested in...but its only gonna get tighter if they don't make a move for the guy(s) they want soon. Lets please not wait for the market to dictate to us. Go after the best guys now!

By the way...I could Shaq actually slowing down BronBron a bit...thats a very big body clogging the middle that LeBron has to get around now as he flashes to the rim.

dude1394 · 06-25-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Nevermind...I don't really need this to go back to Nash, that wasn't my intention at all.

It's impossible for everything to not get back to nash ultimately.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2009, 09:26 AM

If the Mavs can't get Kaman or Camby then Okafor does seem like the next logical choice at center.

He is every bit as talented as Kaman but a little small. Eh, in today's game, who cares. He is a consistent 13-15 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.5 bpg. If the Mavs can get that for Junk, then I'll stop bitching

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