2014 Offseason Thread

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

You can't sign those until later in the season.

sign him to a minimum if he can keep doing what he is doing and thanks for imparting your basketball wisdom to little me.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

If youve been watching summer league, Ledo and Fair are not NBA ready. Ivan Johnson hasnt shown much at all either. There will be at least one more NBA guy at 2.7 exception.

This is not accurate imo, Ledo is NBA ready. To what level? Let's find out.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

This is not accurate imo, Ledo is NBA ready. To what level? Let's find out.

Mavs could use sg depth and he is just that. A third stringer he can be.

[jay3189]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

If youve been watching summer league, Ledo and Fair are not NBA ready. Ivan Johnson hasnt shown much at all either. There will be at least one more NBA guy at 2.7 exception.

Ricky Ledo has showed he has good ball handling skills, Dallas don't have a legit backup shooting guard for Monta Ellis, so I won't be surprised if Ricky Ledo gets that backup shooting guard spot as long as he develop his jump shot. I was just throwing out Cj Fair's name as a possibility to crack the 15 man roster, but the way Eric Griffin has been playing, he probably have a better chance than CJ Fair, and Ivan Johnson will bring that nasty style to the Mavericks team, he boxes out and plays really physical, thats exactly what the Mavericks need

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by jay3189

Ricky Ledo has showed he has good ball handling skills, Dallas don't have a legit backup shooting guard for Monta Ellis, so I won't be surprised if Ricky Ledo gets that backup shooting guard spot as long as he develop his jump shot. I was just throwing out Cj Fair's name as a possibility to crack the 15 man roster, but the way Eric Griffin has been playing, he probably have a better chance than CJ Fair, and Ivan Johnson will bring that nasty style to the Mavericks team, he boxes out and plays really physical, thats exactly what the Mavericks need

Ivan Johnson has basically played himself back out of the NBA as far as he has this summer league is concerned. He looks worse than I have ever seen him and as bad as anything I have ever seen in SL play.

[jay3189]

Reports that the Mavericks will do a sign and trade with Dejuan Blair to the Wizards

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by jay3189

Reports that the Mavericks will do a sign and trade with Dejuan Blair to the Wizards

I like it... probably getting only a trade exception in return, but that could be helpful in roster-building after Dirk is signed or during the season. Get those assets!

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I like it... probably getting only a trade exception in return, but that could be helpful in roster-building after Dirk is signed or during the season. Get those assets!

Like I said earlier, it's not expected that a TPE is coming because they're under the cap and that would just eat into their space.

They'll look for cash, a pick or rights to a player.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Like I said earlier, it's not expected that a TPE is coming because they're under the cap and that would just eat into their space.

They'll look for cash, a pick or rights to a player.

Thanks for clarifying. In that case, even if it's a future conditional 2nd rounder or some Euro that likely won't ever come over... I'm glad the front office is still consciously in asset-gathering mode. Everything helps.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoavGv43x_s

[Underdog]

@BallinWithBryan: Asked @mcuban if it would be possible to reduce the money on Dirk and Devin to free more room. Said he wouldn't do that to those guys.

This was a rumor started by Fish, glad to see some clarification.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@BallinWithBryan: Asked @mcuban if it would be possible to reduce the money on Dirk and Devin to free more room. Said he wouldn't do that to those guys.

This was a rumor started by Fish, glad to see some clarification.

Glad to hear cuban say that

[Underdog]

@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said that Mavs have been trying to get Smith for two years. Plan is to play Brandan Wright more at the 4.


Felton/Devin
Ellis/Crowder
Parsons/RJ
Dirk/Wright
Tyson/Smith

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said that Mavs have been trying to get Smith for two years. Plan is to play Brandan Wright more at the 4.


Felton/Devin
Ellis/Crowder
Parsons/RJ
Dirk/Wright
Tyson/Smith

I do like the Smith move - seems like a nice get, especially at that price. Roster is shaping up pretty nicely right now. Hope that line about Wright comes to fruition - I've always seen him more as a 4 that can play 5 in certain spots/mismatches, than the way he's been used (which is the other way around).

[DGM]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said that Mavs have been trying to get Smith for two years. Plan is to play Brandan Wright more at the 4.


Felton/Devin
Ellis/Crowder
Parsons/RJ
Dirk/Wright
Tyson/Smith

That's the right way to use Wright. He does not rebound well enough to play center.

[Kante]

BG: The trade between Dallas and Chicago is official. The Bulls have traded Greg Smith to Dallas in exchange for the rights to Tadija Dragicevic.

[yahyes]

Mavs talking to Mike Miller huh. I'll call him Mikey if he signs here.

[Kante]

No way he comes here. He goes to Cleveland i assume.

[Mav Addict]

Sefko said zero chance of Mike Miller.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yeah, Miller makes no sense at his asking price and where he'd get minutes.

[sefant77]

Bulls To Trade Anthony Randolph, Two 2nd Rounders To Magic To Clear Cap Space

Magic are waiving him. So much talent....i think i would grab him for the minimum. If someone can potentially rescue his career, its Rick...

[Twenty4sevenn]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Magic are waiving him. So much talent....i think i would grab him for the minimum. If someone can potentially rescue his career, its Rick...

I would take Anthony Randolph for the minimum in a heartbeat.

[jasonic]

So right now we have 13 spots, which means we have 2 spots available.

Harris, Felton, Mekel
Ellis, Ledo
Parsons, Jefferson, Crowder
Dirk, Wright
Chandler, Smith, James

I would like one more wing who can defend and hit the 3 point shot. Wes Johnson showed improvement with his 3 point shot, but i don't know if he will came here for the min. Garcia, Rush, Hamilton, James Anderson would be also good additions too especially if Rush played in the same level just before his injury.
For the last spot i would like to take a prospect type of guy, and in our summer league team the only guy that i would give a contract is Griffin, but i would like our FO to look for better prospects (for instance McAdoo got undrafted in this year's draft).

[Melonhead]

Garcia would be a good 3&d at the minimum.

I wonder who we bring in if Mo Williams turns us down

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Originally Posted by jasonic

So right now we have 13 spots, which means we have 2 spots available.

Harris, Felton, Mekel
Ellis, Ledo
Parsons, Jefferson, Crowder
Dirk, Wright
Chandler, Smith, James

I would like one more wing who can defend and hit the 3 point shot. Wes Johnson showed improvement with his 3 point shot, but i don't know if he will came here for the min. Garcia, Rush, Hamilton, James Anderson would be also good additions too especially if Rush played in the same level just before his injury.
For the last spot i would like to take a prospect type of guy, and in our summer league team the only guy that i would give a contract is Griffin, but i would like our FO to look for better prospects (for instance McAdoo got undrafted in this year's draft).

Agreed. Our defense on the perimeter and wing is pretty weak right now--actually very weak at the 2/3

[BGMaverick9]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...reements-stand

This is the rest that didn't make the newser notebook on Parsons.

More to come with comments from Donnie and Rick tomorrow.

[fluid.forty.one]

I'm surprised that Monta shot 54% on corner 3s last year.

[ffballer]

it would be really stupid not signing eric griffin dude is unpolished talent and ricky ledo has shown some really big development hope he can showcase what hes got

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by ffballer

it would be really stupid not signing eric griffin dude is unpolished talent and ricky ledo has shown some really big development hope he can showcase what hes got

Agreed.

our 15 man roster should be...

1. Dirk
2. Ellis
3. Parsons
4. Tyson
5. Harris
6. Felton
7. Wright
8. Mo Williams
9. Jefferson
10. Ledo
11. Crowder
12. Smith
13. Griffin
14. B James
15. CJ Fair

[Kante]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

Agreed.

our 15 man roster should be...

1. Dirk
2. Ellis
3. Parsons
4. Tyson
5. Harris
6. Felton
7. Wright
8. Mo Williams
9. Jefferson
10. Ledo
11. Crowder
12. Smith
13. Griffin
14. B James
15. CJ Fair

So, Mekel is just gone?

[yahyes]

What's going on with Jameer Nelson by the way? Last I heard Orlando released him. If Felton gets dealt there's always Jameer.

[rabbitproof]

Oh it would be so sweet to get Mike Miller.

He would step into Vince's role nicely.

We do need another wing defender more than we need him but from an asset perspective, unbeatable.

[yahyes]

That's where I would like Marion to look over starting. He could be a good situational player for Dallas. TEAM UP!

[j0Shi]

via @bbstats

[j0Shi]

via @bbstats

Can't find the metric he used, but he's a +/- guy. Says we have a pretty balanced roster right now in terms of positional minutes. Minor holes at the wing and C, think we can agree on that.
So another big + 2/3 at the minimum and we're set.



It seems it also evaluates roster strength to a certain degree, bc good players play more minutes in his metric. He also rated the Mavs roster pretty high prior to the Parsons acquisition. Primarily because Dirk and Tyson are +/- darlings.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

via @bbstats

Can't find the metric he used, but he's a +/- guy. Says we have a pretty balanced roster right now in terms of positional minutes. Minor holes at the wing and C, think we can agree on that.
So another big + 2/3 at the minimum and we're set.



It seems it also evaluates roster strength to a certain degree, bc good players play more minutes in his metric. He also rated the Mavs roster pretty high prior to the Parsons acquisition. Primarily because Dirk and Tyson are +/- darlings.

So higher is better, right? I wonder if the center numbers include Smith, and if so, would the PF/C rating look different if his 2012/2013 stats were used? (I'm also assuming here that last year figures most strongly in the calculus.)

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

So higher is better, right? I wonder if the center numbers include Smith, and if so, would the PF/C rating look different if his 2012/2013 stats were used? (I'm also assuming here that last year figures most strongly in the calculus.)

Yes, higher = better. This is more roster balance than strength though.

I have lost track of most stats-related stuff over time, but I recall RPM having great explanatory power because it's essentially a multi-year metric. So Smith's numbers are based on all of his three seasons.

Dude is up-to-date, most likely Smith is included. I think he uses a variance of RAPM: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/xRAPM.html

[Male30Dan]

First time I've checked in this summer but I'll say that I am completely on board with the Parsons offer sheet signing (and I'm officially a huge Bosh fan now as well - thank you Chris and thank you desperate Pat), even with the loss of Vince (though that does suck). I think the Chandler trade was likewise awesome and, while it hurt our perimeter shooting a decent bit, I think we have the perfect coach to manage around some of those limitations given his new toys (and there's still plenty of time to improve the roster with guys that can drill the outside shot - as we recently did with the Jefferson signing).

That all being said, I see one monumentally positive possibility out there that I can't for the life of me understand us not HEAVILY pursuing (and I also know this has been suggested by others, but I want to bring it up again and get real feedback as to why it wouldn't be goal 1, 2, 3, etc moving forward)... That suggestion being to trade for a resigned Lance Stephenson using Felton, Wright, 1-2 1st round picks, young talented players on low-priced contracts (Ledo, Mekel, etc) - really whatever it takes. to plug into our starting SG spot and sliding Monta over to the PG spot (a position he can play and would be better suited to play defensively). I mean, look at what that provides for a starting lineup:

PG - Ellis
SG - Stephenson
SF - Parsons
PF - Nowitzki
C - Chandler

That's a FANTASTIC lineup filled with 2 very good defenders, decent shooting, terrific passing, great rebounding, a better height/length distribution allowing for better defensive matchups (compared to Felton/Ellis or Harris/Ellis), a MUCH younger and more promising team with 3 guys on the right side of 30 (2 way below), etc...

You still have a very capable bench that can round out with the 2.7M mini exception and other minimum contracts. The bench after that trade:

PG - Harris
SG - Williams (Exception)
SF - Crowder/Jefferson
PF - Min Signing/Jefferson
C - Smith/James

Per Hoopshype, we owe Felton/Wright 9.36m for the coming year and Lance is looking for 10M or so. With Indiana not having the strongest PG rotation themselves, taking on Felton's contract with the hope he gets back to career average production could be worth the gamble to get Wright (who could help further bolster one of the best frontcourts in the league) and 1-2 1st round picks. If they're going to lose him anyway (which it appears they are given they only want to offer just over 8M), why not get serviceable players back, young talent and picks (any of which can be traded later to further strengthen your team)?

I truly see it as a win/win with Dallas obviously going all in. Yeah, losing the 1-2 1st round picks hurts, but the picks should be fully distributed before Dirk's time ends so it's all about maximizing the window we have while he's still a capable All-Star/near-All-Star-caliber player.

Then you have next year when Tyson expires where, given this stacked lineup, maybe one of the real difference makers decides to join up with us (Aldridge despite his recent retire-as-a-Blazer comments, Gasol, etc) because, all of a sudden, we're not an old Dirk and some role players (as most free agents unfortunately have recently viewed Dallas IMHO) and, instead, we're a young, talented, promising team that can succeed past Dirk's better days and still be more than successful.

I know the head case stuff - don't care - it's worth it to me. Lance could develop into a 18/7/5 guy as fast as next season (with even more potential than that) with a tenacity for defense and rebounding. He just fits so damn well to me given what we've already done.

Am I crazy here? Why wouldn't either team be down for such a scenario given the facts I've stated (obviously Indiana would rather keep him I'm sure, but if they aren't going to hit 10 and he won't budge, it's something vs. watching him leave like Parsons/Houston).

Maybe there's some inability to do this now with the new CBA BS and I'm out of the loop. Maybe the Mavs don't want to give up on Wright. Maybe Indiana never touches Felton no matter how many picks Dallas throws at them (or feels that they don't need Wright). I dunno. Just seems like something we should be heavily pursuing from my perspective.

Thoughts?

[Male30Dan]

Double...

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

FWIW, this is from the Simmons column today on Melo (which has some GREAT Dirk stuff, btw), on Raymond Felton:

"the NBA’s worst starting point guard . . . a complete zero on both ends".

is he wrong?