Official offseason 2013-2014 thread - Page 55 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-11-2013, 08:58 PM

I youtubed mavericks and this came up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Q7mEXGmYE

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 07-11-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I don't think people had to wait to see that the Titanic was completely sunk before they realized it was a disaster. It's pretty easy to make some safe educated guesses at this point. Bottom line... the Mavs front office decided to completely overhaul a team that was coming off a title and knowingly waste a year of Dirk's prime..that year has turned into 2 years..

Obviously, they have not accomplished their goal when Cuban and donnie decided that they were head and shoulders smarter than the rest of the league with regards to the CBA.. At this point, there's no way to salvage what they've lost. So no, when you look at just this off season, there is a chance that the off season might not be a failure (a very small chance). But as far as Donnie and Cuban's grand plan that went into place after the championship, there is no other way to categorize it... an absolute failure.

LOL @ thinking Dirk was in his prime when we won a title. No guy, just no. Dirk in his prime was actually on better Mavs teams. Maybe one day you'll join the real world and admit the Mavs ran ridiculously hot to win a title. Can't ever take that away from them, but we got silly hot at that right time. That collection of players was not a multi championship team. So if we keep them together we still have no more rings and now are locked into a bunch of dumb contracts. We don't keep them we still have no more rings just like if we would have kept the team together, but we've still given ourselves the opportunity to build a powerful team. Would you rather have the opportunity to win more rings or just watch a team that wasn't going to win another championship because they won one for the Mavs? Makes no sense guy. You're mad at the front office for actually giving us a shot and being totally results oriented because it didn't work out.

sefant77 · 07-11-2013, 09:05 PM

Damn it AK, im so pissed.

Him for 5 Mio and Sammy for 3, Wright and Brand back and would be an okay offseason...

EricaLubarsky · 07-11-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

I youtubed mavericks and this came up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Q7mEXGmYE

so much stupid. They want Don "I'd rather play mad-scientist with a point-foward than have a center on the floor" Nelson back? They think that we drafted Nash and Dirk? Not worth listening. It's also pure couch coaching, where they think that Bynum is just a skill number on NBA 2k13 and not a guy with a broken down body and bad attitude.

Murphy3 · 07-11-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

LOL @ thinking Dirk was in his prime when we won a title. No guy, just no. Dirk in his prime was actually on better Mavs teams. Maybe one day you'll join the real world and admit the Mavs ran ridiculously hot to win a title. Can't ever take that away from them, but we got silly hot at that right time. That collection of players was not a multi championship team. So if we keep them together we still have no more rings and now are locked into a bunch of dumb contracts. We don't keep them we still have no more rings just like if we would have kept the team together, but we've still given ourselves the opportunity to build a powerful team. Would you rather have the opportunity to win more rings or just watch a team that wasn't going to win another championship because they won one for the Mavs? Makes no sense guy. You're mad at the front office for actually giving us a shot and being totally results oriented because it didn't work out.

Moron, who said anything about bringing the whole team back together.

JeffViggiano · 07-11-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

LOL @ thinking Dirk was in his prime when we won a title. No guy, just no. Dirk in his prime was actually on better Mavs teams. Maybe one day you'll join the real world and admit the Mavs ran ridiculously hot to win a title. Can't ever take that away from them, but we got silly hot at that right time. That collection of players was not a multi championship team. So if we keep them together we still have no more rings and now are locked into a bunch of dumb contracts. We don't keep them we still have no more rings just like if we would have kept the team together, but we've still given ourselves the opportunity to build a powerful team. Would you rather have the opportunity to win more rings or just watch a team that wasn't going to win another championship because they won one for the Mavs? Makes no sense guy. You're mad at the front office for actually giving us a shot and being totally results oriented because it didn't work out.

last year Brooklyn attracted Deron with dumb contracts(JJ,wallace,lopez ecc ecc) and this year they trade a dumb contract(wallace) for PP and KG...i'm sorry but the last 2 Free agencys were an epic fail for our FO,and this one could be the same...

EricaLubarsky · 07-11-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

last year Brooklyn attracted Deron with dumb contracts(JJ,wallace,lopez ecc ecc) and this year they trade a dumb contract(wallace) for PP and KG...i'm sorry but the last 2 Free agencys were an epic fail for our FO,and this one could be the same...

for OUR front office? Nets got bailed out not once but twice after screwing up royally to keep Deron.

FreshJive · 07-11-2013, 10:18 PM

We did draft Dirk.

MavsFTR · 07-11-2013, 11:09 PM

Interesting that the Nets have been able to make so many big moves. I thought the whole reason Cuban didn't want to go into luxury tax territory was cos of the restrictions it was supposed to cause. Looks like teams are still able to make BIG moves. Can anyone explain?

dude1394 · 07-11-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

So if the team had been preserved, this would be your starting 5:

JKidd, oh wait he retired.
Jet (though he technically was our 6 man, 10 PPG and a 12.81 PER last season and Boston was really trying to unload him)
Marion (still have him)
Dirk (still have him)
Chandler (Ok, wish we still had him though he's missed about 20 games in each of the seasons since he's left).

This starting lineup just doesn't look much better at any position except center compared to what the Mavs have done so far this off season. We should've keep Chandler. Beyond that, I'm feeling optimistic...

We would have already traded for either cp3 or Howard if we hadn't blown it up.

EricaLubarsky · 07-11-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

Interesting that the Nets have been able to make so many big moves. I thought the whole reason Cuban didn't want to go into luxury tax territory was cos of the restrictions it was supposed to cause. Looks like teams are still able to make BIG moves. Can anyone explain?

trades and signing exceptions (MLE/BAE)

MavsFTR · 07-11-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

trades and signing exceptions (MLE/BAE)

So then what was Cuban trying to avoid? If trades are still game for big spenders, it sounds like Cuban has just decided to suddenly become miser.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-11-2013, 11:40 PM

found these statements on rockets forum

HillBoy "The Mavs are slated to go after...(drumroll please) Samuel Dalembert (Bwahahahaha!). They have also expressed interest in Greg "Where's My Knees?" Oden but they will have to outbid Miami & SA. Mark Cuban is being burned in effigy on Dallas Sports Talk radio right now. Game, set and match Daryl Morey".

Dutchrudder! "The only way the Mavs are trading Dirk is if he requests it because the team is complete crap. If the Mavs are only winning 35% of their games near the trade deadline, I could see them trading Dirk to a contender for the right assets. I don't think Lin and Asik are enough though, you have to include 2 firsts and one of our young guys like Dmo or Jones. I would be happy to see it happen, but would much rather get Love or Aldridge with the same trade pieces".

ReverseBjorn "as much as i can't stand anything from dallas, i think this is a good idea. Dirk would be the only guy that i would be ok with. He is still a great player and would be a perfect fit for our team.

I think dallas would do it to start building for the future. Lin and asik, and dare i say d-mo, would be fair to let go for this guy.

of course, i would love to have dirk added to this team without giving anyone up, and we could then be a true international team"

tmacfor35 "Dirk and Cuban jerk each other off every night. Their geys".

Dream McLandry "Lin/Asik for Dirk - trade accepted".

Underdog · 07-11-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

So then what was Cuban trying to avoid? If trades are still game for big spenders, it sounds like Cuban has just decided to suddenly become miser.

The Russian billionaire's luxury tax bill this season is about 3% of Cuban's net worth... It's simply more than he can afford.

moogle · 07-11-2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

So then what was Cuban trying to avoid? If trades are still game for big spenders, it sounds like Cuban has just decided to suddenly become miser.

The amount of luxury tax the Nets will pay next season is more than what the entire league paid this season. They are that kind of crazy.

Nets owner's net worth 13 Billion. Mark Cuban's net worth is 2 Billion. Do the math.

EricaLubarsky · 07-12-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Russian billionaire's luxury tax bill this season is about 3% of Cuban's net worth... It's simply more than he can afford.

That and Cuban tries to outsmart himself and defy the default NBA strategy. He likes to win in a lot of different ways. First he took a bet by holding assets longer than he perhaps should have. He got a championship by going against conventional wisdom that you put together 4-5 guys, let them play together to see what they have and then trade high when they peak or quickly after. That strategy won for him, but put him in a bind after.

He held off rebuilding until we had a championship, but lost out on all the tradable assets he would have had had he sold a year or two earlier. Instead of trying for an binge/purge where he went all-in for a few years and then sold the farm to rebuild over 3-4 years, he sold half the farm and tried a rebuild without ever officially starting over.

It didn't work out too well, but he also got stuck with a handful of assets that were shrinking in value quickly. He held on to them long enough to win us a championship but then got left with almost nothing of trade value to rebuild with. Instead of a long, painful rebuild as we waited for rookies to develop and enough first-rounders to accrue, he tried to shoot the moon in free agency. It wasn't a bad bet considering that we were in about the worst position of any team to rebuild last year, but it certainly did not work out the way he'd hoped. Instead of an insta-rebuild, we are now stuck with a (pretty decent) rebuild. We won't leap back into the elite, but we're at least headed back to the playoffs (and the drawing board).

I'll be the first to admit that Cuban's grand plan didn't work out, but while judging the assets he had and trying not to use the benefit of hindsight, it wasn't a bad bet considering his position.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-12-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Nets owner's net worth 13 Billion. Mark Cuban's net worth is 2 Billion. Do the math.

cuban is not in the mafia and cuban got paid from yahoo... I dont know how the russian got so rich

EricaLubarsky · 07-12-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

cuban is not in the mafia and cuban got paid from yahoo... I dont know how the russian got so rich

1) Oil
2) connections in the Kremlin/KGB.

You don't need more than that to become a billionaire.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-12-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

1) Oil
2) connections in the Kremlin/KGB.

You don't need more than that to become a billionaire.

0-o thats kinda frightening

Underdog · 07-12-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

1) Oil
2) connections in the Kremlin/KGB.

You don't need more than that to become a billionaire.

He was born into a rich family as well... Cuban is self-made.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-12-2013, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

He was born into a rich family as well... Cuban is self-made.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban called Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov a pussy.
“I think Mark has it wrong,” Prokhorov said. “I don’t like cats.”
Cuban didn’t stop at “pussy,” he also said:
“(Prokhorov) doesn’t come to games. Who the hell knows?”

OneLove22 · 07-12-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moogle

The amount of luxury tax the Nets will pay next season is more than what the entire league paid this season. They are that kind of crazy.

Nets owner's net worth 13 Billion. Mark Cuban's net worth is 2 Billion. Do the math.

What I don't understand is how they were allowed to sign AK47? Did he sign for the minimum? $3 mil sounds too high.

grndmstr_c · 07-12-2013, 12:51 AM

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What I don't understand is how they were allowed to sign AK47? Did he sign for the minimum? $3 mil sounds too high.

Mini-MLE. Teams over the apron (4 mil over the tax line, or something thereabouts), and teams wanting to be able to go over the apron at some point in the season, always have at least that much to complement their ability to sign min-salary players, if they can afford it and the LT payments that they incur by further increasing their payroll. For example, I think I saw that AK's cost to the Nets is actually going to be more like $15 million.

FreshJive · 07-12-2013, 01:55 AM

Hillarious that we are mad that Cuban is now being outspent. Cuban stole billions from American investors for inventing nothing. All billionaires are bullshit. You don't get that kind of money without cheating someone. Cuban has been out strategerized.

dude1394 · 07-12-2013, 08:00 AM

Cubans bet was horrible. Golden state showed him just how horrible it was. He could have easily continued to move players without going for powder and been in those deals for both cp3, deron and Dwight when the first moved. And dwight when he moved again.

He was just wrong about powder.

Budapest Maverick · 07-12-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Cubans bet was horrible. Golden state showed him just how horrible it was. He could have easily continued to move players without going for powder and been in those deals for both cp3, deron and Dwight when the first moved. And dwight when he moved again.

He was just wrong about powder.

Both Jefferson and Biedrins were on expiring contracts, a tiny bit of detail that doesn't hurt to know here.

oilfieldtrash · 07-12-2013, 08:40 AM

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Both Jefferson and Biedrins were on expiring contracts, a tiny bit of detail that doesn't hurt to know here.

Kinda like Marion and Carter?

Dirk's Knee · 07-12-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Hillarious that we are mad that Cuban is now being outspent. Cuban stole billions from American investors for inventing nothing. All billionaires are bullshit. You don't get that kind of money without cheating someone. Cuban has been out strategerized.

What the hell are you talking about? He started MicroSolutions then sold it to Compuserve for $6 mil and then started broadcast.com to stream college basketball online and sold it to Yahoo for $6 bil. No question he's pompous and outspoken to a fault, but he's about as self made as they come.

Five-ofan · 07-12-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Cubans bet was horrible. Golden state showed him just how horrible it was. He could have easily continued to move players without going for powder and been in those deals for both cp3, deron and Dwight when the first moved. And dwight when he moved again.

He was just wrong about powder.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when did golden state get any of those guys???

Budapest Maverick · 07-12-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Kinda like Marion and Carter?

Who said we couldn't/can't dump Marion or Carter for capspace? What are you talking about?

jok2 · 07-12-2013, 09:45 AM

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Finally, an hour before Iguodala was to sign with the Mavericks, the Warriors made two concessions in the deal with Utah and were able to send Jefferson, Biedrins and Brandon Rush - along with two first-round picks and two seconds.

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/warriors/artic...ty-4661063.php

Budapest Maverick · 07-12-2013, 09:54 AM

I'm glad we didn't sign him for that kind of money, for that many years. He is basically a better passing version of 2012-2013 Marion. Would have been an upgrade over Shawn of course, but still, for us, he would have been way overpaid. And if they planned to play Iggy at the SG spot, i'm even more glad. He is a terrible shooting guard.

mavs777 · 07-12-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Kinda like Marion and Carter?

Marion and Carter are good players, notice how GS kept their good player on a expiring deal? Not to mention they had to use first rounders to get rid of biedrins and Jefferson plus a solid role player (rush)

nowhereman · 07-12-2013, 10:11 AM

edit - nvm

LonghornDub · 07-12-2013, 10:39 AM

Although I do think Iggy got overpaid a bit, that he used Dallas to leverage GS is mildly depressing.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2013, 10:48 AM

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Although I do think Iggy got overpaid a bit, that he used Dallas to leverage GS is mildly depressing.

I sincerely doubt that is the first time a player has used Dallas as leverage for another deal. Remember that the Mavs were linked to seemingly every decent free agent on the market. Our capspace alone probably acted as a negotiating tool.

grndmstr_c · 07-12-2013, 10:52 AM

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Although I do think Iggy got overpaid a bit, that he used Dallas to leverage GS is mildly depressing.

Is it clear that's what happened? I mean, I guess you could argue from that piece that Dallas' interest leveraged GS into sending out 4 draft picks to grease the wheels with Utah, but that's a very different thing than acting like you're prepared to sign with another team to get a bigger contract offer out of GS, which is what I think of when you talk about him using Dallas to leverage the Warriors.

moogle · 07-12-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Is it clear that's what happened? I mean, I guess you could argue from that piece that Dallas' interest leveraged GS into sending out 4 draft picks to grease the wheels with Utah, but that's a very different thing than acting like you're prepared to sign with another team to get a bigger contract offer out of GS, which is what I think of when you talk about him using Dallas to leverage the Warriors.

I think maybe Iguodala used the Mavs' interest to pressure the Warriors into committing to him without waiting for Dwight's decision. When the Warriors signed Iguodala, they essentially closed the door on Dwight.

pepe · 07-12-2013, 11:26 AM

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just got firm word that Cavs -- after signing Andrew Bynum -- are no longer pursuing Greg Oden. Mavs now IN Oden race led by Spurs & Heat

I am officially in the Oden bandwagon, if Riley and Pops want him I think the Mavs should do it!

spreedom · 07-12-2013, 11:41 AM

I'm a little bummed about Iguodala too, but I can understand why we didn't sign him for that amount of money (it sounds like the Warriors trumped our deal financially). He's a good signing for them because they're much closer to contending than we are. They're actually probably one of the 5 or 6 best rosters in the league on paper. But as good as Iguodala is, he probably doesn't improve this team's chances that much. I think right now we're looking like a 7th or 8th seed if we add Dalembert, but even if we added Iguodala instead of Calderon and Harris, would we be much better than the 5th or 6th seed? Not sure $15M a year is worth such a modest improvement.