2014 Offseason Thread - Page 55 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

hayth.james.g · 07-13-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I keep thinking the Mavs need some size at the guard spots. Felton, Harris, and Ellis are all a bit undersized. Mo Williams won't really help that case. I don't see any SGs with size left on the board, other than Alan Anderson who I always thought was more of a SF.

For a PG I think Harris has plenty of size. Also consider the length of our 3,4,5 spots. I agree we could use some size at the 1 and 2, but it's nice to have the length we have in other positions to help compensate abit.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@ESPNSteinLine: Hearing Detroit on the brink of signing Caron Butler after Butler's postseason run with Oklahoma City.

Don't remember Butler doing much in the postseason for them but ok?

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 08:59 PM

Center
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Big Baby Davis (UFA)
Greg Oden (UFA)
Ekpe Udoh (UFA)

Power Forward
DeJuan Blair (UFA)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Al-Farouq Aminu (UFA)
Anthony Tolliver (UFA)
Andray Blatch (UFA)

Small Forward
Dante Cunningham (UFA)
Jordan Hamilton (UFA)
Evan Turner (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Xavier Henry (UFA)
Mo Williams (UFA)

Point Guard
----none----

Andersen, Hinrich, Butler, Augustin off the board

spreedom · 07-13-2014, 09:00 PM

I'd still love to add Aminu if there was some way to do it. Maybe a SnT, sending Wright to the Pellies?

hayth.james.g · 07-13-2014, 09:04 PM

Any speculation on where and how much Stephenson goes for now? Is there any thoughts to a possible SnT for him?

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

For a PG I think Harris has plenty of size. Also consider the length of our 3,4,5 spots. I agree we could use some size at the 1 and 2, but it's nice to have the length we have in other positions to help compensate abit.

SG is the only spot lacking in height at this point, and we won our championship with a 6'4" and 6'2" back court. Two 6'3" guys won't hurt us too bad, particularly because Devin is a beast defensively and Ellis is unguardable on the other end.

Center - 7'1"/6'10"/6'10" (avg. 6'11")
Power Forward - 7'0"/6'10" (avg. 6'11"
Small Forward - 6'9"/6'7"/6'6" (avg. 6'7")
Shooting guard - 6'3" (avg. 6'3")
Point guard - 6'3"/6'1"/6'3" (avg. 6'2")

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2014, 09:11 PM

I expect Jae to get some minutes at SG.

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Any speculation on where and how much Stephenson goes for now? Is there any thoughts to a possible SnT for him?

No one knows how much he'll get but 9-12 is the estimate.

For us to get him? Probably the least likely thing we could have happen, but maybe Felton/Wright/Ledo or Mekel could get you close to the salary, but we have BYC to deal with so we'd need a third team. Probably would also take the cash we haven't spend and at least one first rounder if not two.

purplefrog · 07-13-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I expect Jae to get some minutes at SG.

I hadn't thought of that... interesting.

Ok, you've all convinced me that a call to Dahntay Jones isn't necessary.

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I hadn't thought of that... interesting.

Ok, you've all convinced me that a call to Dahntay Jones isn't necessary.

Don't be convinced Crowder was AWFUL when playing the SG spot even with his weight loss. On average we were outscored by 1 pt for every three minutes he played the guard spot. In other words, if he played 48 minutes every game, statistically we'd lose every game by 15pts.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't be convinced Crowder was AWFUL when playing the SG spot even with his weight loss. On average we were outscored by 1 pt for every three minutes he played the guard spot. In other words, if he played 48 minutes every game, statistically we'd lose every game by 15pts.

Do garbage time stats work like that?

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Do garbage time stats work like that?

No, but I had to use some kind of stat to justify what I saw when watching games.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-13-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't be convinced Crowder was AWFUL when playing the SG spot even with his weight loss. On average we were outscored by 1 pt for every three minutes he played the guard spot. In other words, if he played 48 minutes every game, statistically we'd lose every game by 15pts.

jae is a dynamo! i expect a great improvement this season but if they throw him at guard you mine as well trade him seriously.
(also think of all the guards he will injure and completely tearing down arenas like a mad man)

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2014, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't be convinced Crowder was AWFUL when playing the SG spot even with his weight loss. On average we were outscored by 1 pt for every three minutes he played the guard spot. In other words, if he played 48 minutes every game, statistically we'd lose every game by 15pts.

Be careful there. The sample size for the stats I think you're quoting was ridiculously small (on the order of 15 minutes), and the Jae/Vince pairing in particular was very successful last year: + 157 in 643 minutes (broken down by the presence of Dirk, +117 in 427 with Dirk, +40 in 216 without). I have pretty high confidence that he and Parsons will work well together.

sike · 07-13-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Devin is a beast defensively and Ellis is unguardable on the other end.

even if thats a touch of hyperbole, doesn't it feel nice to say?!

If healthy:

Harris
Ellis
Parsons
Dirk
Chandler

That is formidable.

yahyes · 07-13-2014, 09:47 PM

I'll take Blair, Even Turner, and Okafur to have at the end of the bench. Okafur could be a bargain.

sike · 07-13-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I'll take Blair, Even Turner, and Okafur to have at the end of the bench. Okafur could be a bargain.

If Okafur is willing to take our minimum offer...then HECK YES!

Highly doubtful that he wouldn't get a better deal...or that the Mavs would open up capspace just to get him.

quietsavant · 07-13-2014, 09:58 PM

Dirk's ideal backup should be a stretch 4.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 10:06 PM

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Dirk's ideal backup should be a stretch 4.

Yeah, I really want a nasty 3&D guy in the mold of Brian Cardinal to be Dirk's backup.

LonghornDub · 07-13-2014, 10:15 PM

Interesting:

RT @ESPNSteinLine Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

LonghornDub · 07-13-2014, 10:15 PM

Interesting:

RT @ESPNSteinLine Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

sike · 07-13-2014, 10:17 PM

per Stein:Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on a potential sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

For who?

sike · 07-13-2014, 10:17 PM

per Stein:Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on a potential sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

For who?

LonghornDub · 07-13-2014, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

per Stein:Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on a potential sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

For who?

Beal, Wall, and Gortat.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

per Stein:Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on a potential sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

For who?

I'm guessing a trade exception.

yahyes · 07-13-2014, 10:20 PM

Stein just tweeted sign and trade talks with washington using Blair. That's tough, I liked Blair here. Looking through the only player I'd want is Nene.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

per Stein:Washington and Dallas are in advanced discussions on a potential sign-and-trade deal that would land DeJuan Blair with Wizards

For who?

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I'm guessing a trade exception.

Or not... DLord says TE not possible.

/pulls up Wizards roster

sike · 07-13-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Beal, Wall, and Gortat.

Oh BOY!

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 10:27 PM

@MarkDeeksNBA: GAUGING THE ROOM - Apart from Cleveland, which team's offseason has actually been good? Not decent, not sufficient, but good?
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@MarkDeeksNBA: Got about 50 responses to that, containing 18 different teams. Good consensus-laden fun. Dallas won the spontaneous straw poll by miles btw.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2014, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Or not... DLord says TE not possible.

/pulls up Wizards roster

Wouldn't mind Martell Webster if he was available.

Eman · 07-13-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Stein just tweeted sign and trade talks with washington using Blair. That's tough, I liked Blair here. Looking through the only player I'd want is Nene.

I might take Trevor Booker as a backup PF (15 PER) or maybe an early second round pick

MIght Glen Rice Jr. be good some day?

LonghornDub · 07-13-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@MarkDeeksNBA: GAUGING THE ROOM - Apart from Cleveland, which team's offseason has actually been good? Not decent, not sufficient, but good?
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@MarkDeeksNBA: Got about 50 responses to that, containing 18 different teams. Good consensus-laden fun. Dallas won the spontaneous straw poll by miles btw.

I just went through those responses and he's not kidding--overwhelmingly Dallas. And a lot of non-Mavs fans saying Dallas.

(I said SA and then Dallas.)

yahyes · 07-13-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eman

I might take Trevor Booker as a backup PF (15 PER) or maybe an early second round pick

MIght Glen Rice Jr. be good some day?

He was a good spot up shooter for Michigan all I know.

BGMaverick9 · 07-13-2014, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Or not... DLord says TE not possible.

/pulls up Wizards roster

Asking around, it's still likely something that Dallas can take but doesn't influence their cap situation.

The Mavs are still technically under the cap since Dirk and Devin haven't signed. TPE would eat into the space.

They're likely looking for cash, picks or rights to a player. They'll likely shoot for the moon and ask that they take Felton too but that likely won't pan out.

CapitanObvious · 07-13-2014, 11:19 PM

Nene? Wall? A man can dream

rabbitproof · 07-13-2014, 11:23 PM

Booker would be a decent backup 4. FG% guy who scraps. Like a Brandon Bass.

EDIT:
Just realized they have Al Harrington. Dude may be totally washed up but he fits the description of a backup stretch big. 10-15 minutes should be okay. Wonder what Blair is getting.

Five-ofan · 07-13-2014, 11:40 PM

Why/how exactly are we sign and trading Blair? I thought we renounced his rights to create cap room (I know not much extra to be had by that) but if we renounced his rights then why couldn't they just sign him using the same minimum exception we will? If he's getting more than the minimum how are we signing him? Im no capologist but I don't get this.

Edit I just thought about it, he's only been here a year so we don't even have any rights

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2014, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Why/how exactly are we sign and trading Blair? I thought we renounced his rights to create cap room (I know not much extra to be had by that) but if we renounced his rights then why couldn't they just sign him using the same minimum exception we will? If he's getting more than the minimum how are we signing him? Im no capologist but I don't get this.

Edit I just thought about it, he's only been here a year so we don't even have any rights

As long as Dirk and Devin remain unsigned Dallas has cap room, so they can use that to execute the S&T.

Five-ofan · 07-13-2014, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

As long as Dirk and Devin remain unsigned Dallas has cap room, so they can use that to execute the S&T.

But Dirks cap hold is more than double his actual salary. Soooo while wed technically have room to do this since we renounced him, if weve done that, we can't go over the cap to resign him. So in theory Doing these deals would mean we can't keep dirk at the salary we've already agreed to??? Or I'm missing something(this is obviously the case but any chance you or Thig could clue me in)

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Why/how exactly are we sign and trading Blair? I thought we renounced his rights to create cap room (I know not much extra to be had by that) but if we renounced his rights then why couldn't they just sign him using the same minimum exception we will? If he's getting more than the minimum how are we signing him? Im no capologist but I don't get this.

Edit I just thought about it, he's only been here a year so we don't even have any rights

makes no sense to me either unless
A) He's getting more than the min (likely)
B) details of the other three important deals (Parsons, Dirk, Harris) are off and we somehow have cap room

Still, we can only offer him non-bird, which means the most he could get would be 1.28mill. The Wiz don't need us to offer him that salary unless other guys are involved. There is something we don't know.