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Old 07-12-2013, 11:42 AM   #2201
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I think maybe Iguodala used the Mavs' interest to pressure the Warriors into committing to him without waiting for Dwight's decision. When the Warriors signed Iguodala, they essentially closed the door on Dwight.
That doesn't strike me as an unreasonable supposition, though it's not how I read the article. Taking it at face value, it seems to be saying that the only thing that really changed in the 11th hour was the assets that GS was willing to give up to get Biedrins/Jefferson off it's books, not their willingness to use the resulting cap space to sign Iggy.

At any rate, I assume there's no disagreement that Iggy got to go where he wanted to go. And I don't blame him for wanting to go there. On paper he looks to me to very nearly be the perfect wing complement to the Curry/Thompson backcourt, and vice versa.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:48 AM   #2203
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Is it clear that's what happened? I mean, I guess you could argue from that piece that Dallas' interest leveraged GS into sending out 4 draft picks to grease the wheels with Utah, but that's a very different thing than acting like you're prepared to sign with another team to get a bigger contract offer out of GS, which is what I think of when you talk about him using Dallas to leverage the Warriors.
I don't know that it's "clear," but I think it's a reasonable conclusion to draw from it, and the one I tend toward.

To be clear, your latter definition of "leverage" is the one to which I was referring. Not that he tried to get extra money (he actually took less to play in GS than to stay in DEN), but that he told GS he wanted to go there but was going to sign with Dallas if they didn't get the deal done to clear space.
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I am officially in the Oden bandwagon, if Riley and Pops want him I think the Mavs should do it!
Really dumb to give up pursuit of a center because you've signed a broken ragdoll of a guy who has only averaged 53% of a season since 2006-- the last year he was able to play an entire season.
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I don't know that it's "clear," but I think it's a reasonable conclusion to draw from it, and the one I tend toward.

To be clear, your latter definition of "leverage" is the one to which I was referring. Not that he tried to get extra money (he actually took less to play in GS than to stay in DEN), but that he told GS he wanted to go there but was going to sign with Dallas if they didn't get the deal done to clear space.
So Player prefers Team A, but they don't have the cap space. Player's second choice is Team B, and they do have the cap space. Team B offers acceptable terms, so Player goes back to Team A and says it's now or never, and Team A pulls out their best offer to Team D to get the cap space cleared. Player signs with Team A. I guess I just don't see that as particularly troubling, discouraging or otherwise bothersome; it's an emotional afterthought relative to my disappointment at missing on Iggy, which I've pretty much already processed. And on the bright side, while GS did get the player, at least I can be satisfied that the price they had to pay to get him went well beyond the salary cap space they've now been allocated to him.
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Just like Howard, AI had a couple of options to work with. He got an offer from Sac early on. GSW called for any interest and there was, GSW had no cap space and while the media was rumoring David Lee to clear cap space for Dwight Howard, no one got word that they placed a call to AI. I would assume at that point they discussed parameters for a contract. GSW asked for time to get cap space. Not wanting the market to dry up and being stuck with nothing, AI set a deadline....just like Sacramento did to AI, a deadline for the offer. These things move fast.
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So Player prefers Team A, but they don't have the cap space. Player's second choice is Team B, and they do have the cap space. Team B offers acceptable terms, so Player goes back to Team A and says it's now or never, and Team A pulls out their best offer to Team D to get the cap space cleared. Player signs with Team A. I guess I just don't see that as particularly troubling, discouraging or otherwise bothersome; it's an emotional afterthought relative to my disappointment at missing on Iggy, which I've pretty much already processed. And on the bright side, while GS did get the player, at least I can be satisfied that the price they had to pay to get him went well beyond the salary cap space they've now been allocated to him.
It wouldn't be bothersome in isolation, but it's part of a string of "woe is the Mavs" blows dating back awhile now. It'll pass, but right now it's not especially thrilling.
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Great article on how people in the NBA aren't okay with the AK deal.
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Monta Ellis and Mavericks closing in on a three-year deal that could rise to as much as $30 million. Deal on course to be completed today


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Is he referring to possible amnestied/waived players? It seems like he has specific names in mind, but Artest is the only guy that qualifies so far... Also, he used the plural, although that might be obvious since we have more than one hole to fill.

Not many "names" left in the free agent market. Maybe there's a trade brewing?
Name #1: Monta Ellis

Still don't have any centers on our roster...
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Agree. He's a premier nba scorer. 10 million a year is fair for both parties. In the nba getting a fair deal on premier offensive players mean you did great.
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Still don't have any centers on our roster...
Name two: Gortat... man I wish
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My God, another guard! So, Sarge starting and some summer league guy off the bench. And absolutely 0 minutes for the 3 young guards we brought on. Bummer...
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Wow.
...and who said we're going after other front court help? Don't get me wrong, great addition, if you want 110-105 scores every night. Supersized version of Jet. Instant offense. Reading SnT possibilities for Dalembert as well.
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Great article on how people in the NBA aren't okay with the AK deal.
Nothing less than what Ray Allen took, players taking minimum deals, talk of future front office jobs, just because they're Russians, is it a race issue? Is it the relationship from their days with CSKA Moscow? AK47 had a 10 million option with minny, their relationship had soured, Saunders would not talk to the guy. There was an offer from the Spurs requiring an SnT,the Wolves nix it? Did Dallas make an offer higher than the 3 million? The Nets offer a chance at the ring. Were there any other offers (Bynum drew interest from the Cavs, Mavs and Hawks, only 1 offer), I only read about the Spurs. Kings, and Cavs also had interest, but were there any offers?
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:12 PM   #2233
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Nothing less than what Ray Allen took, players taking minimum deals, talk of future front office jobs, just because they're Russians, is it a race issue? Is it the relationship from their days with CSKA Moscow? AK47 had a 10 million option with minny, their relationship had soured, Saunders would not talk to the guy. There was an offer from the Spurs requiring an SnT,the Wolves nix it? Did Dallas make an offer higher than the 3 million? The Nets offer a chance at the ring. Were there any other offers (Bynum drew interest from the Cavs, Mavs and Hawks, only 1 offer), I only read about the Spurs. Kings, and Cavs also had interest, but were there any offers?
Ray is five years older than AK, and AK is a much better player than him at this point in their careers. The one is not a reasonable precedent for the other.
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This is whats important to me ...will they be fun to watch or not? ....with Monta and Dalembert, yes they will. It will be very interesting to read what Monte did right and what he did wrong.

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Ray is five years older than AK, and AK is a much better player than him at this point in their careers. The one is not a reasonable precedent for the other.
True, better value player. Reading that the Spurs offered an SnT deal at 3 years 8 million. Annually he got more with the Nets.
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Can we still sign Brandon wright? Cap space and all
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True, better value player. Reading that the Spurs offered an SnT deal at 3 years 8 million. Annually he got more with the Nets.
You sure that's not 8 million per? At any rate, if nobody actually had any significantly better offers on the table for him, it'll blow over. I just find it hard to believe that would be the case.
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You sure that's not 8 million per? At any rate, if nobody actually had any significantly better offers on the table for him, it'll blow over. I just find it hard to believe that would be the case.
Ah, my bad, 8-9 million annually from the Spurs.

Yea, that's the thing, everyone was hot for AI, Howard and Bynum, then this guy sneaks through, I mean, wouldn't he be fine next to Dirk at 7-8 per year?
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Can we still sign Brandon wright? Cap space and all
We have Bird Rights on him, so we can go over the cap to sign him.
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