Rodrigue Beaubois development thread - Page 57 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

dude1394 · 02-22-2012, 10:21 AM

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Are you serious? Do you not understand how hard it must be to lose a parent? I can't imagine the pain Roddy is going through, have some sympathy.

I don't begrudge him his grief and if his employer allowed him a year off, good for him, nice contract. Many of us have lost both parents and in some cases younger siblings. We've probably all gone through it. But as I mentioned, most real jobs are three days total so I was wondering if this has become more prevelant.

JeffViggiano · 02-22-2012, 10:42 AM

Roddy+Lamar+XXX for deron or Howard.

this is the right way!

jthig32 · 02-22-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I don't begrudge him his grief and if his employer allowed him a year off, good for him, nice contract. Many of us have lost both parents and in some cases younger siblings. We've probably all gone through it. But as I mentioned, most real jobs are three days total so I was wondering if this has become more prevelant.

This just isn't true. Most people with a job of any importance to their company are going to get plenty of flexibility from their employer for an unexpected death of someone close to them.

They might have to use some vacation, but saying that most jobs are going to take a hard line stance and demand you back in three days is ridiculous.

markus1234 · 02-22-2012, 11:16 AM

Roddy should get "plenty of flexibility" after his father's death.....

BUT

This guy is getting PLENTY of flexibility since he became a MAV.

And he did absolutely NOTHING to actually "pay it back" during the stretches when he is OK. Just like Josh Howard (after he signed his big contract).

Manu Ginobili for example is also "always injured", but when he is healthy then he is giving 210%. This is how you earn "flexibility" and respect from your team.

Underdog · 02-22-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Roddy should get "plenty of flexibility" after his father's death.....

BUT

This guy is getting PLENTY of flexibility since he became a MAV.

And he did absolutely NOTHING to actually "pay it back" during the stretches when he is OK. Just like Josh Howard (after he signed his big contract).

Manu Ginobili, for example is also "always injured", but when he is healthy then he is giving 210%. This is how you earn "flexibility".

Putting in hard work on the court has absolutely nothing to do with getting time off to grieve his father's death.

You sound like a callous douche...

markus1234 · 02-22-2012, 11:27 AM

It has.

It tells you that you better work hard and play good (for your team/-mates), becasue you never know what the next day brings for you on or off the court. And i am not sure if Roddy has this kind of attitude.

And plz. stop insulting other users. It is getting boring. Really.

Underdog · 02-22-2012, 11:45 AM

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It tells you that you better work hard and play good (for your team/-mates), becasue you never know what the next day brings for you on or off the court. And i am not sure if Roddy has this kind of attitude.

That's f*cking ridiculous.

markus1234 · 02-22-2012, 12:06 PM

del

Underdog · 02-22-2012, 12:15 PM

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del

Why'd you delete your post - trying to be the bigger man?

You should've tried that strategy before you started bagging on a guy for grieving over his dead father. I don't know if you've ever lost anybody close to you, but it isn't something you just get over, no matter how much you get paid or how many spoiled fans think you should suck it up and move on...

Kudos to Mark Cuban for handling this situation like a human being.

rabbitproof · 02-22-2012, 12:37 PM

I think a week off is not unrealistic for most people with "real jobs". The three day thing is an old school mentality and maybe the official bereavement time but I think most smart offices don't enforce that rigidly if they can afford not to. It's not just about having some physical body back in the workplace. If they are mentally are out of it, it's probably a negative for everybody.

As for basketball, Amare recently got several games off.

I imagine Roddy had to go back overseas so it makes sense to include a couple extra days for travel. Along with the timing of the All-Star break, it makes sense to give him a few extra days vs pressuring him back for one game or practice before the break. I'm sure his teammates understand.

dude1394 · 02-22-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

This just isn't true. Most people with a job of any importance to their company are going to get plenty of flexibility from their employer for an unexpected death of someone close to them.

They might have to use some vacation, but saying that most jobs are going to take a hard line stance and demand you back in three days is ridiculous.

My bad...I had forgot about flex time. Im pretty sure the bereavement time is three days usually. I think I've just been noticing in the last decade or so longer bereavements being taken. Do football guys miss a lot of time? I admit I haven't paid a ton of attention, but I think another player just had something like this happen ( maybe Carmelo ) and I was surprised at the length. I still am honestly.

Underdog · 02-22-2012, 12:50 PM

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My bad...I had forgot about flex time. Im pretty sure the bereavement time is three days usually. I think I've just been noticing in the last decade or so longer bereavements being taken. Do football guys miss a lot of time? I admit I haven't paid a ton,of attention, but I think another player justmhadmsomething like this happen ( maybe Carmelo ) and I was surprised at the length. I still am honestly.

Playing sports for a living isn't like most jobs - it's all about emotion, unlike pushing pencils, answering phone calls or even dealing with clients. A sad players is a bad player - look no further than Lamar Odom for proof.

Besides, Roddy was already DNP-CD, so it's not like his absence is affecting the team...

dude1394 · 02-22-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Playing sports for a living isn't like most jobs - it's all about emotion, unlike pushing pencils, answering phone calls or even dealing with clients. A sad players is a bad player - look no further than Lamar Odom for proof.

Besides, Roddy was already DNP-CD, so it's not like his absence is affecting the team...

To be honest I'm not trying to make anything of it, although because of my well known love for roddy I can see this being interpreted as so. Just actually curious because 2 weeks is a pretty long time in sports.

But to put on my dark side hat ( since you mention Lamar ) I see the great ones just buckle down and play harder. Kobe during trial, dirkster during wild ass lady eviction, etc. im sure that type of mindset is a separator as well.

I actually do think roddys absence is hurting the team without delonte, but dojo gets to make his case.

b_o_r · 02-22-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

To be honest I'm not trying to make anything of it, although because of my well known love for roddy I can see this being interpreted as so. Just actually curious because 2 weeks is a pretty long time in sports.

Its a one week thing just like Amare and Brewer. He will be back in town during the All-star break in which the team will put him through individual workouts.

Underdog · 02-22-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

To be honest I'm not trying to make anything of it, although because of my well known love for roddy I can see this being interpreted as so. Just actually curious because 2 weeks is a pretty long time in sports.

Like I said, he was already DNP-CD, so giving him more time off probably isn't a problem. Better to let him work through his grief at home than on the bench.

mavs777 · 02-22-2012, 01:32 PM

dont trust broussards "sources"

dalger · 02-22-2012, 03:12 PM

It's perfectly fine that Roddy's taking his time and great that he's allowed to take his time. In instances like this, it's impossible anyway to say that three or four or five (or however many) days are appropriate and a person should be expected to function just fine immediately afterwards. Being only 23 and unexpectedly losing a parent must be one of the worst things possible. Not to mention that three days are hardly enough to even arrange the funeral. While some people might actually seek work to get distracted, other people literally can't do anything for quite some time after losing a close person.

Not too long ago, there was a father in my neighborhood who lost his 22-year-old son due to an accident. Just tragic. He got a sick note for three full weeks from his doctor. No questions even asked, probably.

dude1394 · 02-22-2012, 03:16 PM

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Not too long ago, there was a father in my neighborhood who lost his 22-year-old son due to an accident. Just tragic. He got a sick note for three full weeks from his doctor. No questions even asked, probably.

That must have been devastating.. My condolences.

Froggie · 02-23-2012, 03:17 PM

Mark Cuban said on ESPN that Roddy is not for sale:
"He is not for sale. It's that they say in New Orléans because they always wanted him"

Froggie · 02-23-2012, 03:21 PM

Mark Cuban said on ESPN that Roddy is not for sale:
" We don't try to change, except if we make us an offer that we cannot refuse. We don't want to upset everything. We think that we have a good team which has not played its best basketball yet.
He is not for sale. It's that they say in New Orléans because they always wanted him"

b_o_r · 02-23-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Froggie

Mark Cuban said on ESPN that Roddy is not for sale:
" We don't try to change, except if we make us an offer that we cannot refuse. We don't want to upset everything. We think that we have a good team which has not played its best basketball yet.
He is not for sale. It's that they say in New Orléans because they always wanted him"

I wonder was it the Hornets who were offering the low lottery pick for Roddy? They had the 11th overall pick in the 2010 draft, in which they selected Cole Aldrich.

That was odd for Cuban to call out the Hornets though. Did the Hornets start the trade rumor?

grndmstr_c · 02-23-2012, 04:55 PM

The fact that the mouth of the rumor was Broussard is a pretty big tip-off that it probably originated somewhere other than Dallas, and if it came from somewhere other than Dallas it's all but guaranteed that whichever team fed him the rumor is trying to drive down Booby's price.

clutch#41 · 02-23-2012, 05:39 PM

chris broussard "sources" are about as good as mine and I have none!!

clutch#41 · 02-23-2012, 05:40 PM

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That was odd for Cuban to call out the Hornets though. Did the Hornets start the trade rumor?

i agree. maybe he's still refering to the chris paul trade. i have no idea.

mavsfan1000 · 02-23-2012, 06:02 PM

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chris broussard "sources" are about as good as mine and I have none!!

I think he noticed the DNP's of Beaubois and used that as his source.

Kidd Karma · 02-23-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

I wonder was it the Hornets who were offering the low lottery pick for Roddy? They had the 11th overall pick in the 2010 draft, in which they selected Cole Aldrich.

That was odd for Cuban to call out the Hornets though. Did the Hornets start the trade rumor?

Could be, they do have the French Quarters down there.

mavsfan1000 · 02-23-2012, 06:24 PM

Btw I'm trying to fix my image here. I maybe didn't put enough thought into my posts in the past. But I don't want to leave this site either. I will make sure from now on to think well before I post. I know I told Underdog I would stop posting here but it is just too hard considering how much I enjoy talking about the Mavs.

SeanL · 02-23-2012, 09:20 PM

he sucks. Sale him.

Justafix · 02-24-2012, 05:44 AM

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he sucks. Sale him.

They can't - as long as his english is superior to yours.

LonghornDub · 02-24-2012, 11:05 AM

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Btw I'm trying to fix my image here. I maybe didn't put enough thought into my posts in the past. But I don't want to leave this site either. I will make sure from now on to think well before I post. I know I told Underdog I would stop posting here but it is just too hard considering how much I enjoy talking about the Mavs.

I can't speak for UD directly, but I sincerely doubt anybody will hold it against you or want you to leave if you post thoughtful things. Despite what some may tell you, this is a very, very reasonable place.

DirkFTW · 02-24-2012, 11:17 AM

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Despite what some may tell you, this is a very, very reasonable place to discuss whether Jeremy Lin is an All-Star or a Hall-of-Famer.

Fire in the hole!

LonghornDub · 02-24-2012, 11:40 AM

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Fire in the hole!

Hahaha. Rep.

Underdog · 02-24-2012, 01:10 PM

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I can't speak for UD directly, but I sincerely doubt anybody will hold it against you or want you to leave if you post thoughtful things. Despite what some may tell you, this is a very, very reasonable place.

Actually read these posts, don't just skim over them...

On losing Barea and Chandler:

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There is always next year. At this point, I'm just interested in watching our bench. Our starters are just too old.

On Stevenson signing with the Nets:

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I guess Cuban is giving up on this season to rebuild for 12-13 season.

On signing Vince Carter:

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Stevenson>Carter at this point in their careers. All because Carter's defense is horrible.

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lol Thinking Carter is a replacement for Barea. And no he doesn't get to the rim at will. He is basically a jump shooter who can't play defense.

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I think Rudy is going to have a breakout year while Vince Carter is on the downside of his career to take it lightly. Way past his prime.

On signing Rudy Fernandez:

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As long as Fernandez is the new bench warmer, I'm ok. If they expect more from him a la Van Horn, it could hurt us.

On the first game of the season (after the amnesty period expired):

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Time to amnesty Haywood. He is horrible.

On our first loss to Minny:

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Hopefully the Mavs can get a high pick. Would encorage Howard and D. Williams to come here.

On Rick Carlisle's coaching abilities:

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But yeah no doubt the bench should be a big part of our team. Carlisle taking away our depth by overplaying the starters kills our team.

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Carlisle just doesn't like young players. He will always play the vets if given the choice. Unless Roddy plays out of his mind, he has no chance of making the rotation. This team has too many guards. It's good for injuries but someone will get left out and guess who Carlisle picks.

On his greatest contribution to the board (and proudest moment of his life):

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I realized that being negative helped this team to win. Just like Cuban's quirk to be quiet though would help, I stuck with it. Yes I was willing to get a lot of Mavs fans against me in the process. But I felt it was good karma. I probably took it too far but I didn't care. Thanks to all who understood what I was after. Proudest moment of my life.

And that's all post-championship... If you go back far enough, you can find entries about Dirk being soft, trading Harris for Kidd will destroy the Mavs and that Roddy should play over Barea in the playoffs because Rick Carlisle isn't half the coach that Avery Johnson was - not to mention that he picked against the Mavs in EVERY playoff series last season!

That dumb f*ck can drag his sorry ass back to Spurstalk or the Bulls forum or wherever else he likes to troll... You guys might have short memories, but the words he posted on this site are there forever - he'll get no clemency from me.

grndmstr_c · 02-24-2012, 01:32 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Underdog again.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-24-2012, 01:39 PM

Those back-to-back quotes on Rudy before and after he left the team confirm this is a troll.

mavsfan1000 · 02-24-2012, 02:01 PM

Well it looks like I got in a habit of being negative over many different things. Thanks for setting me straight on how bad of a poster I can be and to learn from mistakes. I know I can't change the past but I will learn from my mistakes. The reverse jinx thing was a little ridiculous as well. Tbh, after that Portland series I felt like this was a special team.

LonghornDub · 02-24-2012, 02:06 PM

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Actually read these posts, don't just skim over them...

That dumb f*ck can drag his sorry ass back to Spurstalk or the Bulls forum or wherever else he likes to troll... You guys might have short memories, but the words he posted on this site are there forever - he'll get no clemency from me.

Meh. I obviously agree that he hasn't contributed anything useful so far, but if he changes course and starts to offer thoughtful commentary, I'm fine with him. It's not an issue of "short memory" or "clemency." He didn't sleep with my girlfriend or murder my family.

Underdog · 02-24-2012, 02:19 PM

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He didn't sleep with my girlfriend or murder my family.

I've seen you get into it with members of this board for much less than what I re-posted above...

LonghornDub · 02-24-2012, 02:24 PM

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I've seen you get into it with members of this board for much less than what I re-posted above...

Hell, I've gotten into it with him (even as recently as last week), and I'd continue to do so without reservation if he keeps posting dumb*ss stuff. But i don't want to assume that nobody can ever change.

mavs777 · 02-24-2012, 02:35 PM

Yeah I talked about his posts on spurstalk especially during last years playoffs