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Dirk's Knee · 07-12-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

We have Bird Rights on him, so we can go over the cap to sign him.

Specifically Dallas can offer him up to ~$5.5 mil as Dallas has Early Bird rights. Min 2 year year, max 4 year. Previous early Bird exceptions included a trade veto clause, but I believe that has been removed in the new CBA.

Underdog · 07-12-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Specifically Dallas can offer him up to ~$5.5 mil as Dallas has Early Bird rights. Min 2 year year, max 4 year. Previous early Bird exceptions included a trade veto clause, but I believe that has been removed in the new CBA.

Thanks for the elaboration - I was just looking those numbers up.

oilfieldtrash · 07-12-2013, 05:37 PM

This two year plan might have some teeth. Check out the guys under contract for next year. They are all reasonable contracts for the money and with Dirk taking less we'd have quite a bit of cap space after its said and done. I don't think we'd get Lebron but if we added a couple 2nd tier guys with our core (Dirk, Calderon, Ellis) it'd definitely be a top 4 seed in the west.

sefant77 · 07-12-2013, 05:52 PM

Make the S&T work so we can sign Dalembert too, re-sign Wright and get Oden and im fine for now...

Melonhead · 07-12-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Specifically Dallas can offer him up to ~$5.5 mil as Dallas has Early Bird rights. Min 2 year year, max 4 year. Previous early Bird exceptions included a trade veto clause, but I believe that has been removed in the new CBA.

Awesome. Wright is a stand up dude who deserves a contract. I want him with the mavs.

Melonhead · 07-12-2013, 06:35 PM

If we dont get Dalembert/Oden, it definitely makes me question the Monta Ellis deal, which for now, i like.

Rick41 · 07-12-2013, 06:45 PM

Awoj of Yahoo! reporting Shane Larking just broke his ankle.

Out 2-3 months.

Kirobaito · 07-12-2013, 06:53 PM

Larkin broke his ankle and Harris has a toe injury and that deal is scrapped and the Rangers are down like 15-0 in the 2nd inning and ahhhhh just kill me now

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2013, 06:55 PM

Wtf? Harris with a toe injury?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5m
ESPN sources: Toe injury forces Mavs to shelve plan to re-sign fan favorite Devin Harris. Sides mutually agree to scrap three-year, $9M deal

CanadianMavsFan · 07-12-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Wtf? Harris with a toe injury?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5m
ESPN sources: Toe injury forces Mavs to shelve plan to re-sign fan favorite Devin Harris. Sides mutually agree to scrap three-year, $9M deal

Wow. This offseason...

moogle · 07-12-2013, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Wtf? Harris with a toe injury?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5m
ESPN sources: Toe injury forces Mavs to shelve plan to re-sign fan favorite Devin Harris. Sides mutually agree to scrap three-year, $9M deal

How convenient.

I'm guessing Cuban got Devin to back out of their verbal agreement by slipping him $1M under the table. They need the extra cap room to get this Monta/Dalembert thing done.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-12-2013, 07:00 PM

The Ellis deal makes even more sense now. Stein also saying that without a Harris deal, Dalembert still in play. Ellis most likely not happening with a s&t.

Glad we were guard happy. Needed it...sheesh.

moogle · 07-12-2013, 07:01 PM

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Skywalker · 07-12-2013, 07:05 PM

was kinda looking forward to seeing Devin in a mavs uni again. also think he'd have really helped our backcourt defesively. bummer

Murphy3 · 07-12-2013, 07:06 PM

Yeah...was looking forward to Harris more than Ellis...

He15man · 07-12-2013, 07:15 PM

Thank god we got Ellis, say what you want about the guy he at least has some name recognition and he is only 27, if we want to lure a big free agent here we need some young talent on the team and Ellis is that type of guy.

yahyes · 07-12-2013, 07:30 PM

No Devin? Well Marquis and Stack are still out there for size in guards.

sefant77 · 07-12-2013, 08:27 PM

Devin out, Dalembert (probably?) in

Calderon/Larkin/Mekel
Ellis/Ellington/Ledo
Marion/Carter/Crowder
Dirk/Wright
Dalembert/Sarge

13 guys, not counting Akognon. 14th Oden, 15th Harris one year deal?

Cerberus · 07-12-2013, 08:44 PM

Wow..Woke up to read the news about Larkin then Harris and now Ellis (Possible trade asset in future?). Now we just need Dalembert to form a solid team.

Really hope to see an efficient Ellis on this team with Calderon + Dirk. Don't think he's ever played with a great passing PG and a real threat like Dirk in his career.

yahyes · 07-12-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamofthefaith

Don't think he's ever played with a great passing PG and a real threat like Dirk in his career.

Hasn't. Warriors gave up on him after Curry was drafted. As for Jennings... not technically a pass first PG to spread the floor like Calderon.

FreshJive · 07-13-2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

What the hell are you talking about? He started MicroSolutions then sold it to Compuserve for $6 mil and then started broadcast.com to stream college basketball online and sold it to Yahoo for $6 bil. No question he's pompous and outspoken to a fault, but he's about as self made as they come.

So 6 billion for broadcast.com was a good investment? I know Cuban's story. I don't think he is lazy or evil or anything. I just don't think Mavs fans can cry about someone coming in and outspending him when we have been the big badass Daddy Warbucks spenders for the last decade.

sike · 07-13-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by He15man

Thank god we got Ellis, say what you want about the guy he at least has some name recognition and he is only 27, if we want to lure a big free agent here we need some young talent on the team and Ellis is that type of guy.

Not enough has been said about this. +rep

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2013, 07:33 AM

^And Ellis has a chance to be a game changer if he improves his shot selection. He averaged 25 ppg just a few seasons ago. Hell, Kyle Korver got a 3/24 contract. 3/25 for Ellis is about as good as you're going to get for a player of his caliber.

Murphy3 · 07-13-2013, 07:40 AM

Ellis is worth the risk for where the mavs are currently. I don't particularly like him at all, but it is a risk the mavs needed to take with the current state if the roster

Underdog · 07-13-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

^And Ellis has a chance to be a game changer if he improves his shot selection. He averaged 25 ppg just a few seasons ago. Hell, Kyle Korver got a 3/24 contract. 3/25 for Ellis is about as good as you're going to get for a player of his caliber.

Shoot, Steve Nash got 3/27, and he had nowhere to go but down when he signed.

The biggest (although not only) reason I was against signing Ellis this offseason was that I fully expected some team to pay him in the $12-16m/season range, with a 4-year contract.

At 3/25 he could be the same exact player that he has been his entire career and we can still move him... But if he somehow improves his efficiency under Carlisle's tutelag, then that price tag might end up being a steal. The sky's the limit for Ellis - it's on him to realize his potential.

Cerberus · 07-13-2013, 08:22 AM

Terry's eFG% in Atlanta = .485%
Terry's eFG% in Dallas = .534%

Ellis' eFG% before Dallas = .482%
Ellis' eFG% in Dallas = ????%

I like that we signed a second scorer in Ellis before a defensive Center. Defensive Centers are more accessible than legit second scorers I reckon.

sike · 07-13-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamofthefaith

Terry's eFG% in Atlanta = .485%
Terry's eFG% in Dallas = .534%

Ellis' eFG% before Dallas = .482%
Ellis' eFG% in Dallas = ????%

I like that we signed a second scorer in Ellis before a defensive Center. Defensive Centers are more accessible than legit second scorers I reckon.

Terry is a much better shooter. Ellis is a much better ball handler and rim attacker. just worth noting.

scorched03 · 07-13-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

^And Ellis has a chance to be a game changer if he improves his shot selection. He averaged 25 ppg just a few seasons ago. Hell, Kyle Korver got a 3/24 contract. 3/25 for Ellis is about as good as you're going to get for a player of his caliber.

and AGE. Monta Ellis is/was a 25 and 24 ppg scorer before with career avg around 19.4. These next 3 years are his 28, 29, and 30 years. this period is nearing his athletic peak.

for reference, korver's 3 year contract takes his 33, 34, and 35 years... but shooters i guess are fine til mid 30's if that's all they are doing.

Melonhead · 07-13-2013, 09:44 AM

MacMahon just tweeted Brandon wright is working on a deal with the mavs in the 4 mil per year range. Possibly a 2 year deal.

nowhereman · 07-13-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

MacMahon just tweeted Brandon wright is working on a deal with the mavs in the 4 mil per year range. Possibly a 2 year deal.

Need to make this happen

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2013, 10:07 AM

4 mil a year for Wright seems fair if accurate. Quality centers are hard to come by.

sike · 07-13-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Need to make this happen

Its just a matter of time. He wants to stay and we want him (and can pay him well).

I'd like to see what Wright backing Dirk and Dalembert would look like.

j0Shi · 07-13-2013, 10:28 AM

I really can't see how the team won't end up in the bottom third of defensive efficiency. Calderon/Ellis backcourt is as bad as it gets, Dalembert doesn't have the best reputation and Wright is meh as well.

Also couldn't agree more:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...vowed-to-avoid

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We’ve heard that over and over from the Mavs front-office folks over the last two years. No matter what happened, they couldn’t make panic moves for significant long-term money.

Isn't that what they just did with Monta Ellis?

Looks like missing the playoffs last year unfortunately triggered that panic button.

FINtastic · 07-13-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

MacMahon just tweeted Brandon wright is working on a deal with the mavs in the 4 mil per year range. Possibly a 2 year deal.

Excellent news.

Melonhead · 07-13-2013, 10:32 AM

If any money is left over, what's the thoughts on rip Hamilton? Bulls released him a couple days ago. OR Nate Robinson. High energy off the bench tho his price tag might be too high

Melonhead · 07-13-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I really can't see how the team won't end up in the bottom third of defensive efficiency. Calderon/Ellis backcourt is as bad as it gets, Dalembert doesn't have the best reputation and Wright is meh as well.

Also couldn't agree more:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...vowed-to-avoid

Looks like missing the playoffs last year unfortunately triggered that panic button.

Because plan powder is showing to not work. No one wants to join a team without any assests on it. Thus the acquiring of assets.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I really can't see how the team won't end up in the bottom third of defensive efficiency. Calderon/Ellis backcourt is as bad as it gets, Dalembert doesn't have the best reputation and Wright is meh as well.

Also couldn't agree more:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...vowed-to-avoid

Looks like missing the playoffs last year unfortunately triggered that panic button.

The backcourt sucked last season. I think it's more of a "don't want that guard situation again" more than anything. And I'm pretty sure Mike James/Mayo wasn't any better defensively. Collison sucked at defense as well.

j0Shi · 07-13-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

If any money is left over, what's the thoughts on rip Hamilton? Bulls released him a couple days ago. OR Nate Robinson. High energy off the bench tho his price tag might be too high

Even more guards?

jthig32 · 07-13-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I really can't see how the team won't end up in the bottom third of defensive efficiency. Calderon/Ellis backcourt is as bad as it gets, Dalembert doesn't have the best reputation and Wright is meh as well.

Also couldn't agree more:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...vowed-to-avoid

Looks like missing the playoffs last year unfortunately triggered that panic button.

I think the tone of that article would have changed a bit if he'd written after we all heard about Devin's injury.

I'm not a huge fan of the move, but I think it's hard to call it a panic move and even harder to make the case that it affects their flexibility moving forward.

Look, they tried the empty roster bit and it didn't work. They have to shift and start acquiring assets. They wanted Devin on his deal and over Monta, which I agree with. Once Devin fell apart they moved to something else. It's a risk but it's hardly a terrible risk.

moogle · 07-13-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...vowed-to-avoid

Looks like missing the playoffs last year unfortunately triggered that panic button.

Tim McMahon is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. A "panic" move is a knee jerk reaction; something you do immediately after a disaster. Like offering Andre Iguodala a 4-year $60M contract immediately after Plan Dwight failed. I suspect that's what the Mavs offered him, and if it had gone through it would've been terrible. That would've been a "panic" move.

You know what is not a panic move? Waiting until the free agency rush is over, and then shopping at the bargain bin. There are many words that can describe that move, but "panic" is not one of them.

If we end up signing Monta Ellis for $25M over 3 years, that is not a panic move. In fact, it is quite the opposite. It is a patient move. Buying low on players after the market has dried up for them. When most teams don't have cap room anymore. This is exactly what the Mavs have been saying they'll do.

A salary of $8.5M to Monta Ellis doesn't hurt the salary cap, especially if it's a 3-year deal. His value has already bottomed out. It can only go up from here, which makes him a potentially valuable trade asset. At that salary, Monta isn't being paid like a "premium player" like that moron Tim McMahon is claiming. At $8.5M, Monta's salary is much closer to an MLE than a max. The Mavs would be paying Monta about the same as they did Chris Kaman and Shawn Marion last season, and there is nothing "premium" about that.