Dallas Mavericks Offseason Thread

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If Bosh has the skills to become a franchise player, then we should grab him then trade Dirk for more players to build around Bosh...

If what I just said sounds bat-sh!t crazy, then we might need to search for other options than Bosh...

I just don't think we will be able to actually acquire one of the young super studs...so might as well go after the next best thing...a second tier star might be all we can really lock down.

[Dirkenstien]

Anybody know what Foster has been up to? He might be a nice player coming off the bench next year.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

you, sir, are a cad! thats right...a CAD!

Computer-aided design?

My father is very proud of that fact...

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Let me be clear on Bosh: I'm not against going after him. The guy is a very good, all star caliber big man. I would be excited if we swung a reasonable trade for him.

But, in my opinion, there are better options out there. Contracts and future considerations aside, I would MUCH rather have a Vince Carter than a Chris Bosh. A slashing, creating, scoring SG/SF that can score in bunches and create for himself late in games would be a much more obvious upgrade to this team, in my opinion.

Yes on the slashing creating v.c. type, but no on V.C. Maybe back when he had good knees a few years ago and plenty of jumps left in his legs but I don't see him being that explosive going forward outside of the occiasion bursts.

[Sportstudi]

I think the "advantage" (if you want to call it like that) we have is the FA class of 2010. We all should realize (the sooner the better) that none of those players is coming here. But many other teams are trying to get cap space. Cuban should be willing to pull the trigger and to swallow even bad contracts. Probably it will be the last shot for the title for Dirk in Dallas, because if that fails, I can see that he will opt out in 2010 and do a Garnett. Hopefully Cuban is aware of that and willing to spend money.

About Bosh: I'm not sure about him. He's a similar player to Dirk, but not a pure center what we need.

[AxdemxO]

Keep

Dirk
Kidd
Hollins
Wright
Green
and possibly Singelton

see what you can do with everyone else...and if nothing bring Jet back and am sure there are takers for Bass, Josh, possibly Damp

[AxdemxO]

Trade Josh or Damp to the Bucks for Jefferson and their pick and go from there ; )

[sike]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yes on the slashing creating v.c. type, but no on V.C. Maybe back when he had good knees a few years ago and plenty of jumps left in his legs but I don't see him being that explosive going forward outside of the occiasion bursts.

ok....I agree with this...but WHO are we talking about then? No one even close to VC who is youngish and potentially available jumps to mind.

ideas? names? tummy rubs?

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Keep

Dirk
Kidd
Hollins
Wright
Green
and possibly Singelton

see what you can do with everyone else...and if nothing bring Jet back and am sure there are takers for Bass, Josh, possibly Damp

I agree somewhat, but I'd prefer.

Dirk
Kidd
Hollins
Wright
Singleton
and possibly Green, Terry

Terry is a 6th man and a shooter off the bench that can play either guard position.

IDK about Green -- they need to make up their minds though this offseason.

[sike]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Trade Josh or Damp to the Bucks for Jefferson and their pick and go from there ; )

Jefferson is just "nice"...is that really what we want?

[fluid.forty.one]

wait...

sike, where have you been!?

[sike]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

wait...

sike, where have you been!?

duh, in the shadow of the statue.

[mikewar1]

If JJ gained more bb IQ, and developed more under Kidd, he can become a very poor man's Tony Parker.

[sike]

Originally Posted by mikewar1

If JJ gained more bb IQ, and developed more under Kidd, he can become a very poor man's Tony Parker.

like a very, very poor man....we're talking homeless poor here.

[Thomas86]

Keep

Kidd
Howard(If the right deal comes along trade him)
Dirk
Bass
Hollins
Singelton
Wright(he would be nice coming off the bench)

Trade

Damp
Terry(try to trade Terry for Stephen Jackson)
Carroll
Willams
Stackhouse
George

I think Ron Artest in gonna be the player the Mavs go after hard this offseason because Rick loves him, Ron Artest can be a head case at times but if you have an onwer like Cuban that will come to his defense get him, I also would try to trade Damp & Stack for Shaq to see if works and also see what's going on with Tyson Chandler because he's the type of big men Kidd needs.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by CadBane

No. Josh Smith is 5 times the defender Howard is. He's not nearly as injury prone. His jumper is worse (although not too much) but he has an actual sense of shot selection and doesn't force shit. He gets the crowd involved with big dunks, gets easy buckets (instead of Jho ISO step back jumpers) and he's a way better passer.

in case you haven't noticed Smith is the worst in the league when it comes to shot selection his jumper blows but he shoots 20 footers 3-5 times a game.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sike

ok....I agree with this...but WHO are we talking about then? No one even close to VC who is youngish and potentially available jumps to mind.

ideas? names? tummy rubs?

Gerald Wallace

[sike]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Gerald Wallace

I like Crash...but like I said...his offensive game is about 1 third as good as young VC's was.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If Bosh has the skills to become a franchise player, then we should grab him then trade Dirk for more players to build around Bosh...

If what I just said sounds bat-sh!t crazy, then we might need to search for other options than Bosh...

That sold it for me....move on to another option.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sike

I like Crash...but like I said...his offensive game is about 1 third as good as young VC's was.

He is much better than VC right now.

[tybrock]

Originally Posted by sike

ok....I agree with this...but WHO are we talking about then? No one even close to VC who is youngish and potentially available jumps to mind.

ideas? names? tummy rubs?

Jason Richardson

[sike]

Originally Posted by mavs777

He is much better than VC right now.

disagree. he is much younger than VC right now.

[sike]

Originally Posted by tybrock

Jason Richardson

very interesting.

[mavs777]

Also what about T MAC? Rockets will probably shop him around

[BGMaverick9]

If we can use Damp, Stack, Josh, draft, MLE and whatever else in the fold to bring:

A) An at-worst above average Center
B) A legit wing player
C) A young PG to groom
D) Another viable defensive wing player

You've got a really great summer on your hands. You've got get at least 2-3 of those things accomplished though, one way or another.

[tybrock]

Originally Posted by sike

very interesting.

Suns are looking to save money. He could be available.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Also what about T MAC? Rockets will probably shop him around

They will want much more than the Mavs SHOULD give for him.

It would be fun with him and Dirk though.

[sike]

I want A and B badly...and I'd like a better than "legit" wing. I want either a near great or should be great wing with a decent post defender/scorer or a stud post player with a good wing.

[sike]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

They will want much more than the Mavs SHOULD give for him.

It would be fun with him and Dirk though.

that could be a move that works amazingly well...of course, TMac doesn't stay healthy. I would like it...but not as a first option.

[tybrock]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If we can use Damp, Stack, Josh, draft, MLE and whatever else in the fold to bring:

A) An at-worst above average Center
B) A legit wing player
C) A young PG to groom
D) Another viable defensive wing player

You've got a really great summer on your hands. You've got get at least 2-3 of those things accomplished though, one way or another.

A) C.Kaman (Trade Josh straight up)
B) J.Richardson (Trade Stack and filler/s)
C) Only the draft will tell
D) S.Marion (Sign with MLE)

Funny thing is I'm not sure this is a dream

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by sike

I want A and B badly...and I'd like a better than "legit" wing. I want either a near great or should be great wing with a decent post defender/scorer or a stud post player with a good wing.

A and B are musts for sure.
C can easily be obtained in the draft or a MLE pickup or a minor trade.
D is the icing on the cake.

"legit" in my eyes fills 2 of the 3 characteristics I need from the player:
Can shoot the lights out
Can attack the rim and gets to the line a lot
Plays gritty/tough perimeter defense

Getting 3/3 is getting you an all-nba kind of player. 2/3 gets you a legit stud, 1/3 gets you a Jet-like or 2nd-3rd tier supporting character.

The guy we get has to be 2/3.

[mavs777]

I would trade Josh and another piece for T MAC, just keep Bass for sure and Dirk.

[LonghornDub]

Josh Smith's shot selection is atrocious. Probably worse than Josh's. All the other positives mentioned about him are dead on, though.

[Nowitzki4President]

Must Keep:
Dirk
Bass
JJ
Wright (But he must be a bench player, NOT an effin starter)

Can trade if the right deal comes along, but don't mind keeping:
Josh
JET
Kidd (Unless he retires)

Should shop around:
Damp
Stack
+ The Rest

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by tybrock

A) C.Kaman (Trade Josh straight up)
B) J.Richardson (Trade Stack and filler/s)
C) Only the draft will tell
D) S.Marion (Sign with MLE)

Funny thing is I'm not sure this is a dream

A) possible
B) doubtful...I think he's one of the few guys they'd maybe consider keeping, just a hunch
C) uh-huh
D) ummm...No, guys WILL fall through the cracks for the MLE, but I don't think he's one.

[Nowitzki4President]

Sorry to sound like a noob, but can someone please tell me what MLE is?

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by sike

that could be a move that works amazingly well...of course, TMac doesn't stay healthy. I would like it...but not as a first option.

If they could get TMac for peanuts basically, yes, it would be worth it.

If it costs JHo or Terry and Stacks contract plus, then it ends up not worth it, IMO. You just strengthened Houston to the point of maybe not being able to beat them, and you gave them a $$$$$ break.

If you have a deal in place for one of the centers (with Stack) and it costs you Damp plus JHo and SNT Bass or something like that, then maybe it makes sense.

Kidd, TMac, Wright, Dirk, (Legit offensive and defensive Center), with Terry as the 6th man is stout for sure, although I'd prefer to have a better defensive swingman than TMac since Dirk isn't exactly the defensive stalwart.

What is the price though?

[sike]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Josh Smith's shot selection is atrocious. Probably worse than Josh's. All the other positives mentioned about him are dead on, though.

I'd do Josh for Josh just to give JKidd someone who can run and jump...ok, that isn't the only reason I'd do it...but it sounded cooler that way.

[tybrock]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

Sorry to sound like a noob, but can someone please tell me what MLE is?

Mid-level exception

A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season was $5.36 million. The MLE is $5.585 million for the 2008-09 NBA regular season.

An example would be the Toronto Raptors' acquisition of Jason Kapono during the 2007 off-season.

[sike]

Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

Sorry to sound like a noob, but can someone please tell me what MLE is?

noob.