Mavs Free Agency 11/12

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

So they're just signing a center to add to Lopez as a package? Broussard's got to check his sources, that don't make any sense.

I've no doubt Broussard is correct in reporting NJs thinking and intentions. Centers are the best of what's out there in this free agent class, Lopez and Avery can't stand one another so Lopez might not be long for the team regardless, Howard's a long way from a sure thing, and NJ needs to act now to try try to secure Deron's good will toward the franchise.

Of course the catch is that if you pay TC or Nene too much (easier to do in Tyson's case, IMO), they cease to be trade assets.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by rmacomic

As much as it saddens me I have to agree with you on this. I think if Tyson was all that intrested in staying a Mav he would have resigned with us before the lockout, when he knew what kind of contract he could get.

He couldn't.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I've no doubt Broussard is correct in reporting NJs thinking and intentions. Centers are the best of what's out there in this free agent class, Lopez and Avery can't stand one another so Lopez might not be long for the team regardless, Howard's a long way from a sure thing, and NJ needs to act now to try try to secure Deron's good will toward the franchise.

Of course the catch is that if you pay TC or Nene too much (easier to do in Tyson's case, IMO), they cease to be trade assets.

Ha, Avery rubs another one the wrong way, wonder why any free agent would want to join ranks with Avery....oh yea, cash in that pay day.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by spreedom

He couldn't.

He could have, actually, but the reports were that the Mavs were pretty reluctant to offer him anything until they knew what the new CBA was.

[BGMaverick9]

Might start to hear some general information trickle out tomorrow as they'll be available to the media.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

So they're just signing a center to add to Lopez as a package? Broussard's got to check his sources, that don't make any sense.

Broussard's sources are whack 9.5/10 times.

[PartywithDirk]

Have no idea where he's coming up with this theory...but on Sportscenter Bucher just said he thinks Howard ends up with the Mavs (warm weather and contender are his 2 interests).

That would be awesome.

[Kidd Karma]

Oh no doubt about that, Howard to Dallas would be pretty sweet.

[Kidd Karma]

Just pulled up Bucher's twitter, he's rumoring that GSW has sourced out that Ellis + asset for Rudy Gay is on the table.

[xrobx]

How could Howard come here? Is it even possible?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by xrobx

How could Howard come here? Is it even possible?

After the Carmelo debacle, anything's possible. You look at Paul-Celtics rumor, once Paul says i ain't signing with Boston, then another rumor pops up....Indy. The problem with the Mavs is that we will be competing then you toss out this rumor, like the Knicks and Nuggets for months, names were thrown out, it wears on the players discussed. If I had my choice, just freaking do it already....if it's to be done, don't drag the garbage through the media. Outside of Dirk, you basically give Orlando anything they ask for. No need to harbinger on players, cash and picks.

[Kidd Karma]

Here's another strange NJ twist. Just read they've hired PJ Carlesimo as an assistant coach, now if anything they are the anti-player's coach. Even if NJ does get Howard any chance they keep him after that.

[Melonhead]

Ill be sick to my stomach if Chandler doesnt resign.

Does anyone know if there is a schedule out yet? Wanna see the Mavs in nola this year.

[grndmstr_c]

Surprised the board hasn't exploded yet in the wake of ESPN's most recent story on Tyson.

[jthig32]

So..um...this is interesting.

In a surprise development on the first day that NBA teams and agents could start talking about new contracts, Tyson Chandler came away convinced that his time with the Dallas Mavericks is coming to an end.

"I really think I'm going to be on a new team come training camp," Chandler told ESPN.com in a telephone interview Wednesday night. "I'm really taking a hard look at all of my options, trying to see what best suits me."

Chandler's doubts about the Mavericks' willingness to re-sign him to a lucrative long-term deal will be welcome news for organizations throughout the league. Chandler and Denver center Nene rank as the two most coveted unrestricted free agents in the 2011 class, but the overwhelming sentiment in many front offices has been that Chandler's return to Dallas was essentially a done deal after the 7-footer's role in helping the Mavericks win their first championship.

Chandler, though, insisted Wednesday that such assumptions are a misnomer and admitted for the first time that he's disappointed by the club's decision not to offer him a contract extension after he was widely credited -- most notably by Mavericks star Dirk Nowitzki -- for changing the team's defensive culture after three first-round exits in the previous four years.

Chandler maintains that staying in Dallas has been his first choice, but he expressed disappointment that the communication between the sides was minimal from the end of the NBA Finals in mid-June and the June 30 deadline for extensions. NBA front office sources list New Jersey, Golden State, Houston and Toronto as the teams chasing Chandler hardest.

The Mavericks have likewise long maintained that bringing Chandler back is their No. 1 offseason priority. But sources with knowledge of club's thinking have told ESPN.com this month that management fears trying to match the offers Chandler gets on the open market -- even if Dallas' other free agents, such as Caron Butler and J.J. Barea are all let go -- will leave them with about $5-6 million in salary-cap space in the summer of 2012.

That's when the Mavericks had hoped to be under the cap for the first time in the Mark Cuban era to join the free agent bidding for Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Dallas-area native Deron Williams.

As one of the league's oldest teams, Dallas needs the injection of youth that a perimeter scorer like Williams could provide. The Mavs' quandary, however, is that the presence of Nowitzki alone on the roster in July 2012 might not be enough to tempt the league's top free agents.

One source close to Williams, for example, says it's unlikely that the New Jersey Nets' point guard would consider signing with the Mavericks unless he was joining both Nowitzki and Chandler. The Mavs' counter is that, with Nowitzki and Chandler on the books, they won't have enough money to sign Williams outright and would be forced to rely on striking a complicated sign-and-trade arrangement.

Chandler, for his part, says he hopes to know where his home will be soon, even though the league announced Tuesday that teams and players can't strike written or verbal agreements before the officially scheduled start of free agency on Dec. 9.

"I would like this to be settled by early next week," Chandler said. "I want to be in camp with my new teammates as soon as possible."

Earlier Wednesday, Cuban told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan: "We are going through and digesting all the new rules and waiting on others. Once everything is in place we will have a far better idea on what we can and can't do. In the meanwhile, we certainly are going to be talking to everyone's agent."

Chandler, 29, was acquired by the Mavericks in July 2010 in a deal with the Charlotte Bobcats co-headlined by Erick Dampier, but was widely billed as a consolation prize after Dampier's cap-friendly contract failed to get Dallas in the bidding for the league's marquee free agents -- Miami stars LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh among them -- through various sign-and-trade offers.

In the final year of his contract, Chandler wound up meshing with Nowitzki better than anyone anticipated, supplying length, athleticism, rim protection and a brand of vocal leadership that no big man who previously lined up alongside the eventual NBA Finals MVP had ever provided in Dallas.

Chandler wound up playing in 74 regular season games -- after missing nearly 70 games over the previous two seasons through injury -- and finished third in the league's Defensive Player of the Year voting. In the Western Conference finals, Chandler helped Dallas to a 4-1 series win over the same Oklahoma City Thunder team that traded for him in February 2009 and then rescinded the trade one day later because of concerns about a toe injury.

[Rick41]

Seriously...

[grndmstr_c]

Between that story on Tyson and similarly-toned reporting on Caron's situation, it sure sounds like Dallas is expecting free agent spending to be somewhat out of step with the quality of the free agent class this go-around.

[Zaknaf3in]

Originally Posted by jthig32

So..um...this is interesting.

Ouch

[j0Shi]

Sad development ...

But given that his actual "worth" is about 4yrs/49M max in my eyes it's easy to see him leave, because somebody will overpay him. Same with JJB, who hardly should get above 3.5M per year on average. So it should come down to 3yrs/11M or 5yrs/17M, but I guess some team will throw a nontax MLE at him.

Nene will likely get a max-contract (17M if I'm not mistaken) and I expect Tyson to be around 14-15M annually. This reflects the pretty weak FA class this year and I'm not too sure the Mavs should compete under this circumstances.

Dunno ... give it a go again or start restructuring after the title finally arrived?

[MavsFTR]

Dirk is in his prime. We should be taking advantage of the few years he has left. That being said, I trust management to have a plan. Let's wait and see.

[fluid.forty.one]

wow....

[Melonhead]

Im stunned. And heartbroken. Shocked. WTF. Dallas does NOT win this champ without him. It feels like Chandler was rented for a year, won a ring, and went on his way. I hope they come to an agreement. Seems like Tyson feels slighted. Mavs are missing out.

Christmas day. everybody is getting their ring, and one of the main men that helped it happen wont be there.

[Popeye]

I think Mavs will sign Chandler but glad they're playing hardball. He's not irreplaceable.

[LSMF]

I'm starting to get the notion Chandler doesn't want to come back to Dallas. I love the guy and will always appreciate what he did for us, but I feel like he's being very unreasonable here. He can be replaced and we can get over him.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by LSMF

I'm starting to get the notion Chandler doesn't want to come back to Dallas. I love the guy and will always appreciate what he did for us, but I feel like he's being very unreasonable here. He can be replaced and we can get over him.

We'll get over him if he doesnt resign, but it wont be til after Dirk has retired. His services are needed now.

[j0Shi]

Another thing I'd like to mention: I think it's a major fail of the NBA to allow interaction between players and teams w/o the new CBA finally in place, because some teams are more affected by the new ruling than others. Teams that have cap space (or an obvious amnesty player) can jump the gun and contact agents while other teams, like the Mavs, are better off waiting until the new CBA is finally set in stone. That's a disadvantage for us in my eyes.

[dude1394]

Tyson seems like he likes to play games a little bit in the media. It didnt make any sense for the Mavs to extend him before the cab was agreed to, but tyson feels hurt that they didn't.

If the Mavs want him, they can have him, end of story.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Another thing I'd like to mention: I think it's a major fail of the NBA to allow interaction between players and teams w/o the new CBA finally in place, because some teams are more affected by the new ruling than others. Teams that have cap space (or an obvious amnesty player) can jump the gun and contact agents while other teams, like the Mavs, are better off waiting until the new CBA is finally set in stone. That's a disadvantage for us in my eyes.

This only matters if the player is looking for a big payday and not discounts to be on a winning team.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Wow.

I guess the Mavs think that if you want to be a Maverick that you won't always be overpaid.

[clutch#41]

im losing more respect for tyson day by day with every comment he makes. it seems like money is 10x more important than him coming back and defending the championship.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Remember when everyone wanted to rent Melo just to win a championship?

Well that may have happened subtract Melo add Chandler.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Between that story on Tyson and similarly-toned reporting on Caron's situation, it sure sounds like Dallas is expecting free agent spending to be somewhat out of step with the quality of the free agent class this go-around.

That's what worries the most. The last time Cuban tried to get smart with a free agent (the phrase "unless there's a Draconian change" comes to mind), he got it way wrong.

Not hating...just saying.

[jthig32]

First of all, let's not jump the gun. This could be nothing more than posturing on both sides.

Secondly, Tyson has mentioned before that this is his time to get his big contract. Someone asked Tyson during the season about Dirk taking less money and Tyson said "Dirk has more money than I do". Don't expect Tyson to be giving us a discount.

Third, as Dude mentioned, it made absolutely no sense of the Mavs to extend Tyson before the new CBA. It's ridiculous for him to be upset about that.

Fourth, for those wanting to break the bank for Tyson, just remember that if you give him a huge contract, you're faced with re-tooling after next season with nothing more than the mini-mid-level exception. You cool with just re-signing Jet and Kidd? And if not, you're talking about signing Tyson to a 4 or 5 year deal just to make a run at it this season. There's a lot of factors at play here. The Mavs are in a very unique situation.

[Flacolaco]

I need to get my head back to basketball. I feel like it's been an eternity... my fault for not hanging around here more often. I am a little busy these days, of course...

[SMC0007]

Yep, seems like cat and mouse at this point. It's Not a stretch at all to feel like Tyson has a big $$ contract higher up on his priority list than signing back with Dallas. He has a ring to show for his career and I don't think you can blame him too much for wanting to set himself up for many years to come financially. MBT will find the right move if there is one to be made.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

It may be posturing, but it certainly isn't encouraging.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Chandler wants a max contract and the Mavs dont want to give it to him. I don't blame them, I don't blame him.

[Thomas86]

Chandler needs the Mavs more then the Mavs need him, Chandler is nothing without a great PG around him like CP3 and Kidd.I agree 100% with the Mavs for not giving Chandler a max deal.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Chandler wants a max contract and the Mavs dont want to give it to him. I don't blame them, I don't blame him.

A max contract? Lolz, no one is giving Tyson a max contract.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by LSMF

I'm starting to get the notion Chandler doesn't want to come back to Dallas. I love the guy and will always appreciate what he did for us, but I feel like he's being very unreasonable here. He can be replaced and we can get over him.

huh?

I mean, of course I want him back.. but with these comments he's either posturing to get the best deal possible from the Mavs, or take a big pay day on his (probably) last big contract from someone else.

A bummer? yes. Unreasonable? no.