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sefant77 · 12-08-2011, 12:46 PM

I do not want Chandler for this money.

i expect Haywood to play more games than Chandler next season and additional with "showing what im able to do" attitude...

dalger · 12-08-2011, 02:03 PM

Some teams never learn, I guess. The Warriors signed David Lee to a six-year contract worth $80 million last year. Two years earlier, they re-signed Biedrins for at least $54 million over six years as well. And now they're reportedly offering Chandler another $60 million. In 2013-14, when the more punitive luxury tax comes into play, they could potentially have to pay Chandler, Biedrins and Lee a combined $45 million. That's just absurd and the perfect recipe for continuing (and expensive) mediocrity.

We could match that offer by offering Tyson 60/5 ourselves. However, $12 million per year is still an awful lot of money considering Chandler's entire body of work throughout his last contract. It's only a year ago that most owners probably pitied the Bobcats for having to pay Tyson another $12.6 million for the 2010-11 season until the Mavs took him and his contract. We all remember how many people in and outside of Dallas questioned that move--not so much due to a lack of talent on Tyson's part, but because of his inability to stay healthy and/or play at a high level consistently.

Perhaps, Tyson will continue to be the guy from last season for years to come. In that case, this type of contract could be almost reasonable. With that said, it seems far more likely that the Warriors will eventually regret the decision to pay a good but not great player like Tyson Chandler that much money.

SMC0007 · 12-08-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I do not want Chandler for this money.

i expect Haywood to play more games than Chandler next season and additional with "showing what im able to do" attitude...

Haywood is just not fast enough to get it done no matter how he tries. Can't hit a free throw to save his life either. I just hope like hell Mahinmi advances his skillset and knowledge of the system on both ends.

LonghornDub · 12-08-2011, 02:26 PM

Now it looks like he's going to the Knicks for less money than that (perhaps). Crazy stuff today.

dalger · 12-08-2011, 03:00 PM

Crazy indeed. I can hardly keep my eyes away from Twitter, Yahoo and ESPN to see what the latest deals and rumors are. And, to be honest, it's more exciting to finally hear about players potentially coming into town instead of leaving town (Billups, Turiaf).

j0Shi · 12-08-2011, 03:11 PM

Wow. LAL, HOU and NO in talks for a 3-way, that would send Pau to Houston and CP3 to LA. Never thought LA would be able to acquire CP3 or Dwight without giving up Bynum (which could land them D12 as well).

rabbitproof · 12-08-2011, 03:20 PM

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Wow. LAL, HOU and NO in talks for a 3-way, that would send Pau to Houston and CP3 to LA. Never thought LA would be able to acquire CP3 or Dwight without giving up Bynum (which could land them D12 as well).

What would NO get? Doesn't make sense to give up the best player and get the worst in a 3way.

LonghornDub · 12-08-2011, 03:23 PM

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What would NO get? Doesn't make sense to give up the best player and get the worst in a 3way.

Martin, Scola, and some youth/picks.

b_o_r · 12-08-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Wow. LAL, HOU and NO in talks for a 3-way, that would send Pau to Houston and CP3 to LA. Never thought LA would be able to acquire CP3 or Dwight without giving up Bynum (which could land them D12 as well).

I can't even see HOU doing this trade. Hou would have to give up Martin/Scola/ Budinger or Patterson + draft picks.

rabbitproof · 12-08-2011, 03:30 PM

If the Lakers get Paul for Pau, that's a crime.

b_o_r · 12-08-2011, 03:30 PM

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What would NO get? Doesn't make sense to give up the best player and get the worst in a 3way.

Martin/Scola/Budinger or Patterson + picks

mavs777 · 12-08-2011, 03:41 PM

It sounds like Dwight might actually stay with Orlando long term and he likes the city, he just wants some help on the court

joemoeschmoe · 12-08-2011, 03:41 PM

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If the Lakers get Paul for Pau, that's a crime.

...Just like getting Pau for Kwame Brown was a crime?

How is there not a way for the rest of the league to call BS on a trade?

Kidd Karma · 12-08-2011, 04:03 PM

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It sounds like Dwight might actually stay with Orlando long term and he likes the city, he just wants some help on the court

woudl be a nice story if he did stick around, have faith in Otis to bring in the championship parts.

LonghornDub · 12-08-2011, 04:14 PM

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The Mavericks did try to convince Chandler to accept a one-year deal worth a whopping $20 million, but there was never real hope of that happening, sources said.

That would have been awesome.

croco · 12-08-2011, 04:16 PM

Well, crap. This is the most anticlimactic offseason a reigning champion has had since the 98 Bulls.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-08-2011, 04:19 PM

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That would have been awesome.

I was thinking about something like that as a possibility, but the risk of injury wouldn't be worth it.

It is sinking in that we're losing him. Kinda sucks.

"I hate goodbyes!" - Lloyd Christmas

BGMaverick9 · 12-08-2011, 04:19 PM

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Well, crap. This is the most anticlimactic offseason a reigning champion has had since the 98 Bulls.

That came out of a lockout as well.

Kante · 12-08-2011, 04:34 PM

So, what the hell is the Mavs FO doing? I get the feeling that they seem to f**k it up!

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-08-2011, 04:43 PM

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So, what the hell is the Mavs FO doing? I get the feeling that they seem to f**k it up!

I'd say be patient until the whirlwind dies down, but I wouldn't get my hopes up outside of some young/cheap players. I guess they don't want to pay Billups's 14.4 million.

joemoeschmoe · 12-08-2011, 04:49 PM

Ain't over til its over.

If the MBT's intention was to offer Chandler 14mil/yr or whatever, there is no potential gain to showing their hand until they have to.

Furthermore, Chandler's true value is dependent on what they think the competition will be.

Expecting to face Nene, Stoudemire, and another agile PF/C combo in the West along with Bynum going East? Chandler's value goes up.

Nene goes to Eastern Conference, Stoudemire stays in East, Bynum stays in West....Chandler's value goes down.

dude1394 · 12-08-2011, 05:04 PM

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The Warriors have offered Tyson a 4-year, $60 million contract, per various sources on my twitter feed.

Dude is gone.

Dude was gone as soon as cubes got it into his head that he could lure a top notch free agent here. I'm pretty disgusted with it.

SMC0007 · 12-08-2011, 05:11 PM

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Dude was gone as soon as cubes got it into his head that he could lure a top notch free agent here. I'm pretty disgusted with it.

That's a stretch. Why not give the guy who has basically done everything he ever could to win a little more of a chance to operate. You just never know what is going on behind closed doors.

LonghornDub · 12-08-2011, 05:15 PM

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That's a stretch. Why not give the guy who has basically done everything he ever could to win a little more of a chance to operate. You just never know what is going on behind closed doors.

I love how a championship earned the Mavs' FO less than six months of faith from the masses.

dude1394 · 12-08-2011, 05:19 PM

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That's a stretch. Why not give the guy who has basically done everything he ever could to win a little more of a chance to operate. You just never know what is going on behind closed doors.

Chandler/jjb were gone as soon as cubes started to think he could entice a top notch free agent here. Why else would you insult them with ridiculous one year deals, assuming those reports are correct.

Cubes has busted his ass to bring a winner here, but he's not god and he's not infallible. He has shown a penchant to gamble and I think he's gambling now, and I think he is going to roll snake eyes.

Ninkobei · 12-08-2011, 05:22 PM

Possible for the mavs to sign'n'trade Chandler for someone? I heard the Knicks are wanting to do that. sorry if its been posted already.

edit: 98% chance he goes to the knicks. Goldenstate upping their offer.

Mavs offered 1 year 20 mil.

dude1394 · 12-08-2011, 05:24 PM

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I love how a championship earned the Mavs' FO less than six months of faith from the masses.

There's faith and there's blind faith it appears. What exactly are fans supposed to discuss or think when it appears the front office is dismantling the best team in basketball.

I was pretty excited when purchasing my season tickets to watch us defend our title, watching our flexibility on the court doesnt exactly get my engine rev'd up. It's a pretty good thing that they've collected already.

dalger · 12-08-2011, 05:35 PM

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There's faith and there's blind faith it appears. What exactly are fans supposed to discuss or think when it appears the front office is dismantling the best team in basketball.

I was pretty excited when purchasing my season tickets to watch us defend our title, watching our flexibility on the court doesnt exactly get my engine rev'd up. It's a pretty good thing that they've collected already.

If the Knicks offered Billups and Turiaf for Chandler, Billups was willing to come aboard despite his initial anger and the Mavs still said, "No, thanks. We don't want to spend money, not even in the short term, and prefer to simply let Tyson, Caron and JJB leave for nothing in return," then we'd be in a position to be somewhat underwhelmed.

LonghornDub · 12-08-2011, 05:43 PM

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There's faith and there's blind faith it appears. What exactly are fans supposed to discuss or think when it appears the front office is dismantling the best team in basketball.

I was pretty excited when purchasing my season tickets to watch us defend our title, watching our flexibility on the court doesnt exactly get my engine rev'd up. It's a pretty good thing that they've collected already.

People keep saying "dismantling." This is not a dismantling in the slightest. To dismantle is an affirmative act. The Mavs are refusing to sign players who have become unrestricted free agents--read: players who do not belong to anyone. Not even close to "dismantling."

Kidd Karma · 12-08-2011, 05:48 PM

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If the Knicks offered Billups and Turiaf for Chandler, Billups was willing to come aboard despite his initial anger and the Mavs still said, "No, thanks. We don't want to spend money, not even in the short term, and prefer to simply let Tyson, Caron and JJB leave for nothing in return," then we'd be in a position to be somewhat underwhelmed.

Don't get caught up in sources. Maybe Cuban's just driving the price up. Are there existing contracts outside of Billups that they'd still want to amnestize? It could be Cuban trying to negotiate more from the Knicks. If the Knicks are desperate to amnestized another body, us taking on Billups can get us cash, a body, or a pick. Lets wait until its official before we we fall off the wagon.

particleman · 12-08-2011, 05:50 PM

Don't understand why Dallas wouldn't have interest in the Billups SnT, but if they offered Chandler 20 mil then I feel confident they're going to spend that money somewhere to improve the team. I don't buy the idea that Cuban would suddenly get unreasonably cheap the year after winning a title.

OneLove22 · 12-08-2011, 05:56 PM

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Don't understand why Dallas wouldn't have interest in the Billups SnT, but if they offered Chandler 20 mil then I feel confident they're going to spend that money somewhere to improve the team. I don't buy the idea that Cuban would suddenly get unreasonably cheap the year after winning a title.

Only thing I can think is we're getting D Will or Dwight.

jthig32 · 12-08-2011, 06:01 PM

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Don't understand why Dallas wouldn't have interest in the Billups SnT, but if they offered Chandler 20 mil then I feel confident they're going to spend that money somewhere to improve the team. I don't buy the idea that Cuban would suddenly get unreasonably cheap the year after winning a title.

There's a very big difference between paying Tyson Chandler 20Mil for one season and paying Chauncey Billups 14Mil for one season. And that's before you even consider the roster fit.

I understand why they wouldn't be interested. If they're going to commit to keeping financially flexible, why not go ahead and stay under the Luxury Tax for the first time? They don't start the clock running on the 4 in 5 year penalty and Cubes pockets some cash so make it easier when he does start forking out cash again.

If the Knicks had, and were willing to send, a first round pick or a young talent as well, it might be different.

SMC0007 · 12-08-2011, 06:20 PM

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Chandler/jjb were gone as soon as cubes started to think he could entice a top notch free agent here. Why else would you insult them with ridiculous one year deals, assuming those reports are correct.

Cubes has busted his ass to bring a winner here, but he's not god and he's not infallible. He has shown a penchant to gamble and I think he's gambling now, and I think he is going to roll snake eyes.

Well, a lot of people thought Cuban and co was rolling snake eyes at several points in the last two seasons in the offseason and at trade-deadline. Look how that turned out. It's too early to claim fail on this sequence of moves because it's not over. Lets see what they come up with. Since when has the MBT just not had a plan? I just fall back on the things MBT has accomplished and the fact that these guys are pretty good at finding good players and as important good fits.

$20 mil isn't horrible for a short years work really if that was a legit offer we made him.

dude1394 · 12-08-2011, 06:22 PM

A one year contract offer to Tyson is insulting as hell, there are just no two ways around it.

j0Shi · 12-09-2011, 12:42 AM

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What I don’t think people understand is that once a team hits the tax level the ability to improve our team is reduced dramatically. In addition, your ability to make trades is reduced. So basically, if we made the move to keep everyone together with five-year deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have for the next five years. If we were a young team it would be one thing. But we are not a young team.

Cuban is one smart guy!

Male30Dan · 12-09-2011, 12:51 AM

From the mouth of Cuban himself...

j0Shi · 12-09-2011, 11:43 AM

To light the fire: Seems like noone of the "Big 3" will be available in 2012. I assume the deal for Chris Paul will get through somehow.

Deron & Howard -> New Jersey
CP3 -> L.A.

Would surprise me if they wouldn't sign their new contracts there. On the other hand: Like jthig said, in a time where super-teams are forming, it's wrong to rely on Chandler being your 2nd best player for such a long stretch.

Ninkobei · 12-09-2011, 11:49 AM

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From the mouth of Cuban himself...

Good read. Looks like the Rangers and Mavs are surfing the same wave. Trying to stay under an invisible cap and perhaps build from the inside. I'm okay with that