The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by clutch#41

Mahimi is up and coming and getting better day by day. i understand were trading him for howard. so im fine with that. but amnesty marion? our best defender? whose going to guard KD, Lebron, Kobe, the other teams best scorer?
How do you see the roster feeling out with your scenario?

Sign Sam Young for MLE and someone else at SG for veteran minimum.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Underdog

1) Trade Haywood to Houston for Battier's trade exception.

2) Package TE/Odom/Mahinmi/Roddy/etc for Howard.

3) Amnesty Marion this summer.

4) Sign Deron Williams.

5)

Can't package the TE in a trade, it must go without any players from our side. We can do 2 trades, break it up, say use the TE on Hedo and another player package for Howard. But from the latest news, Orlando wants to win now and are seeking players to do that.

[rabbitproof]

If we have to take back Hedo, not sure we can sign DWill. My recollection is you can't amnesty players you've traded for?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Can't package the TE in a trade, it must go without any players from our side. We can do 2 trades, break it up, say use the TE on Hedo and another player package for Howard. But from the latest news, Orlando wants to win now and are seeking players to do that.

Forgot we couldn't package TE's. Maybe we trade Haywood, roll with Ian as our starter for the rest of the season, amnesty Marion this summer, then sign Dwight and Deron outright (while getting to keep our young guns like Roddy)? That'll work...

And Orlando is dillusional if they think they can "win now" after losing Howard. Even if they managed to swing Bynum and Gasol while unloading Turk's sh!tty contract, they'd still have to convince Bynum to extend and then put a decent team around him (which didn't work with Howard, so why would it work with Bynum??)

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

If we have to take back Hedo, not sure we can sign DWill. My recollection is you can't amnesty players you've traded for?

This is correct. Taking Hedo back in a Howard trade means that you can't sign Deron.

Which is fine with me, if I'm given the option at the trade deadline.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Forgot we couldn't package TE's. Maybe we trade Haywood, roll with Ian as our starter for the rest of the season, amnesty Marion this summer, then sign Dwight and Deron outright (while getting to keep our young guns like Roddy)? That'll work...

And Orlando is dillusional if they think they can "win now" after losing Howard. Even if they managed to swing Bynum and Gasol while unloading Turk's sh!tty contract, they'd still have to convince Bynum to extend and then put a decent team around him (which didn't work with Howard, so why would it work with Bynum??)

If Howard's checked out, then yea, it would make sense, but seems their owner is old and doesn't want to rebuild. So a package with Gasol and Bynum probably makes more sense then NJ's offer of Lopez and a few picks...note the closer they wait until 3/15, the better chance one of the NJ picks will be in the lottery.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

If Howard's checked out, then yea, it would make sense, but seems their owner is old and doesn't want to rebuild. So a package with Gasol and Bynum probably makes more sense then NJ's offer of Lopez and a few picks...note the closer they wait until 3/15, the better chance one of the NJ picks will be in the lottery.

Of course that package is better, but it won't happen, from all reports lakers won't trade both for dwight.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Of course that package is better, but it won't happen, from all reports lakers won't trade both for dwight.

Lets hope that stays that way past 3/15.

[samoan-maverickII]

Dirk jumping over a KIA in the dunk contest....

[JeffViggiano]

1) lakers-magic trade = howard+hedo for bynum+shit players
2) next summer we sign Bynum with a 5years contract
3)we sign deron too
4)let's go mavsssssssss

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Can't package the TE in a trade, it must go without any players from our side. We can do 2 trades, break it up, say use the TE on Hedo and another player package for Howard. But from the latest news, Orlando wants to win now and are seeking players to do that.

Haywoods potential TE is too small to absorb Hedo and you also cant add two TEs

[mavs777]

BTW Steve Kyler NBA insider thinks there won't be a trade either.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...medium=twitter

Dwight Howard doesn’t believe the Orlando Magic will trade him before the March 15 deadline, which should be music to the Mavericks’ ears.

Howard told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night that he believes there is a “100 percent chance” the Magic won’t move him before Orlando hosts the All-Star weekend in late February and doubts that he’ll be dealt before the deadline. If Howard is right, it significantly increases the odds that the Mavs will land the big man and/or Nets point guard Deron Williams in free agency this summer.

The Mavericks join the Lakers and Nets as the three teams on Howard’s preferred trade destination list, with Howard’s agent Dan Fegan – who does a lot of business with Dallas – having permission from the Magic to explore options with those teams. However, the Mavs don’t have the assets to make an offer that would make sense for the Magic.

But the Mavs will have plenty of cap space to sign a superstar in the offseason. With some financial tinkering, which could include use of the amnesty clause and some salary-dumping trades like the one the Mavs made with Denver in December, the Mavs might be able to create enough room for Howard and Williams.

The worst-case scenario for the Mavs would be the Magic trading Howard to the Nets, which would likely mean that Howard and Williams will be featured on Brooklyn billboards for years to come.

Howard being dealt to the Lakers would be frightening from a Western Conference competition perspective, but that would at least mean The Colony’s Williams would likely seriously entertain the possibility of coming home in the summer.

If Howard stays put, anything seems possible for the Mavs once the free agency market opens.

[rabbitproof]

Summarizing our options...

Best Outcome -> Worst Outcome
1. Howard is traded to Dallas. Dallas maintains FA flexibility and offers max to DWill.
2. Howard stays in Orlando. Dallas maintains FA flexibility and offers max to Howard/DWill.
3. Howard is traded to Dallas. DWill can't be offered max.
4. Howard is traded to LA. Dallas maintains FA flexibility and offers max to DWill.
5. Howard is traded to Nets. Dallas maintains FA flexibility and offers max to DWill.
6. Howard is traded to Nets. Dallas maintains FA flexibility and DWill doesn't shop.

1 is unlikely. 2 and 4 are most likely IMO. 5 is likely to end up like 6.

Do you guys agree with the rankings? Is 4 really better than 5 or 6 though? Kobe/Howard/Gasol really would be tough to beat. In the end, a shot at DWill is worth it but the gap between 4 and 5/6 is thinner than first look IMO.

[jthig32]

I think 4 and 5/6 are equal. The only way LA gets Dwight is through a trade, and they would be ridiculously good. Also, Deron and Dwight are not the only superstars we'll have chances at over the next couple of years.

[Kidd Karma]

I think they'll want Gasol back in addition to flipping Hedo out somewhere.

[sefant77]

1. und 3. just wont happen. We dont have the right pieces at all.

I think i dont like 2. anymore. It means the Nets keep Lopez and end up with a high lottery pick in the supposed to be great 2012 draft. Deron/Dwight + Lopez/high lottery pick/Brooks/Morrow is solid talent (either to keep or ship for a 3rd star/semi star). Even if the Mavs are able to pull off the move "Max for Deron and Dwight" im not sure if they would prefer the Mavs so much more...

5. and 6. are of course absolut worst case for us. I dont wanna overpay any 2nd tier FA.

I think i prefer the save option #4. No DDD but at least Deron...

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

yea, that's the phenomenon with this thing. It's like you force your way out, but they don't realize that in trade, you're gutting the team you're going to. Look what happened to Deron Williams to NJ. Utah's a ways a way, but they look in better shape 2 years from now, then NJ does. Now New York's starting to feel the same outside of their 2 and a half stars, there's little else.

I don't think deron forced himself out.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sefant77

1. und 3. just wont happen. We dont have the right pieces at all.

I think i dont like 2. anymore. It means the Nets keep Lopez and end up with a high lottery pick in the supposed to be great 2012 draft. Deron/Dwight + Lopez/high lottery pick/Brooks/Morrow is solid talent (either to keep or ship for a 3rd star/semi star). Even if the Mavs are able to pull off the move "Max for Deron and Dwight" im not sure if they would prefer the Mavs so much more...

5. and 6. are of course absolut worst case for us. I dont wanna overpay any 2nd tier FA.

I think i prefer the save option #4. No DDD but at least Deron...

Eh, Morrow isn't good and does he really want to play for avery? Mavs will still be the better team with deron/dwight/dirk + Cuban has a history of winning.

[sefant77]

Well, Morrow is a perfect roleplayer if you have Deron/Dwight.

And one word from Deron or Dwight "Fire Avery or i walk/doesnt sign with you" and Avery is history in NJ

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I don't think deron forced himself out.

True, but moving a star has it's price tag, even moreso when there is no trade demand.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Well, Morrow is a perfect roleplayer if you have Deron/Dwight.

And one word from Deron or Dwight "Fire Avery or i walk/doesnt sign with you" and Avery is history in NJ

How so? Wouldn't you want someone to work the in between area? And Lopez at the 4 would not work, spacing would be beyond aweful.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by samoan-maverickII

Dirk jumping over a KIA in the dunk contest....

Kia? Dirk would use something German made that would also highlight the quality engineering when he dunks through the car and the driver emerges unscathed from the wreckage.

[clutch#41]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Kia? Dirk would use something German made that would also highlight the quality engineering when he dunks through the car and the driver emerges unscathed from the wreckage.

how about dirk jumping over a fiat? lol

[Kidd Karma]

With Horford pretty much done for the season, why not Haywood's long term deal for Hinrich's expiring? Throw in 3 million. Start working the lines to see if Odom and Hinrich's expiring can be parlayed into Howard.

GSW also lost Brown for pretty much the season and they're in the market for a big also.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

With Horford pretty much done for the season, why not Haywood's long term deal for Hinrich's expiring? Throw in 3 million. Start working the lines to see if Odom and Hinrich's expiring can be parlayed into Howard.

GSW also lost Brown for pretty much the season and they're in the market for a big also.

I don't think ATL is that desperate for a big, I think realistically they know they aren't a title team and will most likely take a mediocre veteran big that is cheap.

[alby]

Chris Paul fetched Eric Gordon (starting caliber SG), Chris Kaman (starting caliber C), Al-Farouq Aminu (project player with a high ceiling), and an unprotected 1st round pick.

Dwight's price will be around the same. So, it's going to take A LOT more than Haywood and Hinrich. Quite frankly, we do not have the assets...unless we give up two #1's in addition to two starting caliber players. Also, it's not like Orlando is a bad team--they have quality players already in place. Would Haywood start over Anderson? Would Lamar start over Hedo? Would Roddy start over Jameer? Our best chance of acquiring Dwight is through free agency this summer.

[Budapest Maverick]

Yep, it's pretty clear at this point, we have to root for the Magic to win as many games as they can.

[OSUmavsfan]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Yep, it's pretty clear at this point, we have to root for the Magic to win as many games as they can.

And they're doing a very good job of that so far. I find it pretty hard to believe the Magic or Dwight would want a trade when the Magic are tied for 2nd in the East. Also the Nets are terrible and Lopez is injured, so there's no way he'd want to go there at the moment.

[mavs777]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...ht-howard-land

RENO, Nev. -- It wasn't as easy as walking into one of the sports books downtown and finding a printed menu with all the possibilities, but Dwight Howard trade forecasts could be found in abundance this week in The Biggest Little City In The World.





With representatives from all 30 teams in town for the annual D-League Showcase, grading the potential of the 160-plus players toiling in the NBA's official development league, ESPN.com asked a handful of team officials in attendance to share their predictions for how the Howard saga will ultimately play out, given that the NBA's reigning three-time Defensive Player of the Year is still angling for a new address and with the NBA trade deadline only two months away.





Reps from 10 teams were asked to weigh in anonymously on the various outcomes we're likeliest to see in coming weeks, with the Orlando Magic clinging to the hope that they can convince Howard to make a U-turn on his refusal to commit there long term even though they lack quality trade assets or financial flexibility to improve the roster to sway him.





The most popular scenarios in play during scouting breaks:







Dwight winds up in New Jersey before the deadline






Only three of the 10 teams surveyed in Reno cosigned on the idea that the teetering Nets, with their 2-9 record and Brook Lopez still weeks away from getting back on the floor, can manufacture a multi-team deal that unites Howard and Deron Williams in New Jersey before the team moves to Brooklyn next fall.





The consensus is that the Nets, thanks to Lopez's broken foot, will have to assemble a more attractive deal than the three-teamer discussed in December that would have sent Lopez and Portland's Gerald Wallace to the Magic -- while also unburdening Orlando of the unwanted contracts owned by Hedo Turkoglu and Chris Duhon -- before Lopez went down. The Blazers' growing fondness for Wallace since those discussions dissolved would presumably make it tough on the Nets just to get talks back to where they were last month with the Magic and Blazers; Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov would have furnished Portland with four first-round picks in exchange for its willingness to surrender Wallace.





One of those three pro-Nets teams, however, made the audacious claim that the Knicks can still swoop in and beat New Jersey to Howard. However, the only apparent means for the Nets' dreaded neighbor in nearby Manhattan to force its way into the Howard sweepstakes would hinge on the Magic's willingness (or another team's in the deal) to take Amare Stoudemire. Even with Amare's considerable Orlando ties, sources say that the Magic's interest in Stoudemire has been chilly at best since he became a free agent in July 2010. The 29-year-old is in Year 2 of a nine-figure contract that can't be insured because of his history with knee surgeries.







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Dwight winds up in Lakerland before the deadline






I thought this number would be higher, but officials from the four Laker-backing teams were indeed more adamant than their counterparts that L.A. has the strongest hope of eventually constructing a Dwight deal that the Magic can stomach.





It's widely assumed in GM circles that the Lakers are not willing to surrender both Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol to acquire Howard. Whether or not L.A. relaxes that stance, it's still hard to imagine someone out there being able to trump a multi-team trade construction that ultimately sends Bynum to Orlando.





"The Lakers still have the best pieces to offer," said one team official from the East.





Said another from the West: "If Dwight's getting traded before March 15, it's only going to be to the Lakers."







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Dwight winds up in Chicago before the deadline






Only one team rep I encountered was prepared to list Chicago as the favorite to land Howard, but a couple others openly wondered why Howard is so reluctant to add the Bulls to the Nets, Lakers and Mavericks on his list of preferred destinations.





The only plausible theory, unless Howard is so vehemently averse to Chicago weather, is the theory in circulation about adidas urging Howard not to play alongside Derrick Rose so its two biggest shoe-sellers don't wind up in the same city.





One source in Reno said of the Bulls: "They've got so many pieces to work with [headlined by Joakim Noah] and they're very interested. I don't think [the Bulls] are going away, either. They're not going to be convinced they can't get Dwight until he goes somewhere else."







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Dwight goes to a "rental" team before the deadline






Couldn't find any support at the Showcase for this scenario.





There obviously are teams out there willing to trade for Howard with no assurance that he'll stay beyond June, just because it's worth it to them to try to get him in town and hope that he can be swayed to stay.





The problem?





The two most prominent teams on that list (Atlanta and Golden State) have just shelved their two most attractive trade assets (Al Horford and Stephen Curry) with worrisome injuries -- the sort of injuries that would have a big impact on trade talks.





So perhaps a viable renter for Howard will emerge over the next 63 days. But it hasn't happened yet.







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Dwight stays in Orlando





In the surprise of the week on this scorecard, I heard officials from two teams insist that Orlando's keeping Howard past the March 15 trade buzzer is the scenario they actually expect ... even if that means exposing the Magic Kingdom to the prospect of being leveled again by a repeat of Shaquille O'Neal's defection without compensation to the Lakers in the Olympic summer of 1996.



Could GM Otis Smith and Magic ownership really dare to let the trade deadline pass and risk the sight of Howard's leaving not only for the 2012 London Games in July but also for a new full-time team ... while getting nothing back in return?





Just to show fans they exhausted every concept they could concoct to try to keep Dwight?





Can't see how.





Yet one observer from the West says: "Is that any more risk than taking a bad deal now?"





Added an observer from the East: "I really think Otis is going to dig in and try to convince him to stay in Orlando. Especially if they keep playing well."





One source who voted in the Nets' favor, however, disputes the widespread notion that Orlando is permanently locked into keeping Howard through All-Star Weekend -- which comes to town Feb. 24-26 -- and will then use the next two-plus weeks before the deadline to find the right deal.





The source said: "When the owner says, 'Let's trade him,' is when it's finally going to happen."







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Dwight and Dallas-area native D-Will wind up with the Mavs next summer






It has not reached the point that teams think Dallas has this fantasy double down all lined up Miami Heat-style. Anyone who has studied the Mavericks' cap situation knows they'd have to clear out pretty much everyone on the roster not named Dirk Nowitzki to have enough cap space to make representative bids for two max-level players.





Specifically? Dallas would likely have to release Brendan Haywood through the amnesty clause next summer, trade away Shawn Marion without taking back any salary and also give away young guards Roddy Beaubois and Dominique Jones, while also letting free agents-to-be Jason Terry, Lamar Odom, Vince Carter and Delonte West walk.





However ...





Lots of folks around the league are starting to believe that it's possible if not probable. Even before the Showcase started Monday, two rival executives told ESPN.com that they think Marion will still have trade value at season's end after the defense and energy he supplied during Dallas' championship run and the solid manner in which he's started this season.





If they're right, even with two seasons left on Marion's contract after this one (valued at just over $18 million) and his 34th birthday looming in May, Dallas really could have a shot if Howard is wearing anything but a Nets or Lakers jersey at season's end.





Said one East admirer of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban: "Mark has made Dallas a destination city right up there with the Lakers and Miami."

[mavs777]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/01...ward-clippers/

NEW YORK — Dwight Howard now has a fourth team on his wish list: The Los Angeles Clippers.

SheridanHoops.com learned exclusively Monday that Howard recently expanded his list of preferred future destinations, adding the Clippers to a list that already included the Nets, the Mavericks and the Lakers.

“He’s been watching them a lot. He’s intrigued by the Clippers,” said the source, who is privy to the trade talks that have taken place between all of the aforementioned teams.

That source also said it now appears more likely that Howard will play out the season with the Magic, who improved to 9-3 Monday afternoon by defeating the New York Knicks 102-93 while making 17 3-pointers and getting just 8 points and 10 rebounds from Howard.
Howard’s agent, Dan Fegan, already has been given permission to speak to the Nets, Mavericks and Lakers about possible trades. It was unclear if similar permission has been granted in regards to trade talks with the Clippers.

But the source said the most likely scenario that would land Howard in Lob City would be an offseason sign-and-trade deal.

Howard has soured on the idea of joining the Nets this season and missing the playoffs, especially since he could still join the Nets next summer prior to their move to Brooklyn and join a lineup that would include a re-signed Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Anthony Morrow and the Nets’ lottery pick, which will be a good pick in a well-stocked draft.

But that would require a commitment from Williams that he will stay with the Nets for the move to Brooklyn — and that is not a sure thing.

That’s because the Dallas Mavericks have a master plan of getting both Williams and Howard to join them in the offseason, when Mark Cuban will have more than $30 million in salary cap room if he is able to make a trade before then that would shed Shawn Marion and his $9 million salary off the Mavericks’ 2012-13 cap.
That would allow Howard and Williams to join with Dirk Nowitzki to form a superstar trio that would match or surpass what the Miami Heat already have on their roster.

A different league source said the Nets are now most concerned that Howard might get dealt to the Lakers before the trade deadline, which would impact their ability to convince Williams to remain with the franchise after he opts out of his contract following this season.

“The Nets are either going to end up with both of them or neither of them,” a third league source said, going so far as to predict that the Nets would trade Williams prior to the deadline if Howard gets dealt to a different team (Lakers, Mavericks, Clippers) that would be able to sign him for the long-term.

If Howard is traded to a team that would be willing to use him as a rental, the Nets would keep Williams and gamble that they would be able to entice Howard as a free agent. But to do that, the Nets would have to outcharm Cuban, who can offer Williams something the Nets cannot — a chance to play in his hometown.
Yet another option for Howard is remaining with the Magic for the 2012-13 season and collecting his $19.54 million salary, then making his big free agency move in the summer of 2013. But several sources cautioned that staying another year in Orlando is a long shot, given Howard’s hot-and-cold relationships with coach Stan Van Gundy and general manager Otis Smith.

The Magic have been doing everything within their powers to influence Howard to stay, and one source who believes there has been a recent rift between Howard and Fegan said Orlando’s decision to sign Jason Richardson ($25 million over four years) instead of Jamal Crawford (who got $10 million for two years from Portland) was influenced by the fact that Fegan is Richardson’s agent, and the Magic want to keep Fegan happy.

Fegan, one of the league’s most astute agents, also has a close relationship with Nets general manager Billy King. But many around the league are wondering if Fegan is as tight with King as he is with Cuban, and whether that might impact the recruiting process next summer when Howard can become a free agent.

A mid-season trade of Howard to the Lakers (for Andrew Bynum) could make all the Nets, Clippers and Mavericks possibilities moot, but the Magic are not as enamored of Bynum as many would be led to believe, and 85-year-old owner Rich DeVos might not sign off on a Bynum-Howard deal if he felt it hindered the chances of the Magic competing for a championship this season.

And ultimately, DeVos is the man who will make the final call on whether his franchise center goes anywhere this season or stays right where he is — in Orlando.

[rabbitproof]

Clips now an option.

Hard to see LA giving up Blake but I think Orlando would take it and LA would be better for it.

Obviously, you start elsewhere though.

[dude1394]

Orlando would take Blake if for nothing else the ticket sales IMO.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Orlando would take Blake if for nothing else the ticket sales IMO.

Orlando definitely would but im not sure the Clippers and sterling would.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Orlando definitely would but im not sure the Clippers and sterling would.

No I wouldn't swap Blake for howard either. If you add in their up and coming center they have their big three now.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by dude1394

No I wouldn't swap Blake for howard either. If you add in their up and coming center they have their big three now.

Who cares? Deandre Jordan can come off the bench he isn't that good to begin with. In no way is Deandre Jordan part of any star trio; an aging caron butler is better than him.

[MavsFTR]

Clippers seem the least likely to get Howard. I still think we have a really good chance of luring both superstars.

[rabbitproof]

Outside of Paul and Blake (Billups is untradeable as an amnesty claim), the Clips really have some junk. Not sure if they have high picks up their sleeve. Their best assets are an overpaid aging Butler, a young but overpaid Jordan and Eric Bledsoe. Between the Jordan/Butler/Paul deals and resigning Blake money, they're built to win as is.

If I'm the Clips, I'd so do Blake for Howard. Blake is a fabulous athlete but best case scenario, he becomes as good as Howard. Obviously, you try to hang on to Blake and add Dwight but at the end of the day, you're teaming up two top 5 players (the best PG and the best C at that). If Blake is the offer, you can also can demand avoid taking back someone like Hedo, too. With those CP3/D12 as bookends, you can easily find athletes or shooters to fill in the swing spots who can play off Paul and Howard.

Ticket sales are another matter. Blake single-handedly rescued Clippers basketball.

[Kidd Karma]

Howard said he has not added any teams to his original list of 3. Otis Smith said he has not granted any team outside of the 3 to speak to Howard's agent.

Dwight Howard dismissed a report that he has placed the Los Angeles Clippers onto his list of preferred destinations.

After the Orlando Magic defeated the Charlotte Bobcats 96-89 Tuesday night, Howard was asked whether he now has interest in joining the Clippers. Howard said no.

The website SheridanHoops, citing an unnamed source, has reported that Howard has expanded his list of preferred destinations to include the Clippers.

New York Knicks Magic General Manager Otis Smith said Howard's camp has not informed him that the superstar center has expanded his list of preferred destinations beyond the Dallas Mavericks, the Los Angeles Lakers and the New Jersey Nets.

Smith also said the Magic also have not granted permission to Howard's agent to speak with any teams in addition to the Mavericks, Lakers and Nets.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...,7821397.story

[Kidd Karma]

Mark Heisler thinks we're in the DWill D12 lead on his blog. thinks Lakers should offer Bynum for Howard and Pau for Williams.

http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler

[mavs777]

Orlando won't just take bynum