Official offseason 2013-2014 thread

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Calathas will be like every other European player the Mavs have pretty much drafted..... they hold his rights. He signed a long term deal in the EuroLeague (or whatever league it was....) and the odds of him getting out of his contract over there to make pennies over here is virtually nil.

He signed a 2 year deal in Russia in July of 2012 from what i could gather.

[sefant77]

So another typical Mayo statsline in an important game.

Everyone except Dirk, Marion, Carter and Wright the team can go to hell this offseason

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Is there anyone who still believes that Mayo can improve? I hope he goes elsewhere this offseason. Pathetic.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

And you sure as hell don't get rid of Marion or Carter. Those guys bring it basically every night.

[oilfieldtrash]

Carter and Marion should have been dumped at the trade deadline. This "playing for the roses" push engineered by Cubes and Donnie has been a utter failure.

[sefant77]

Mayo should he happy if he scratches the 7 million a year this offseason.

Marion and Carter are both solid veterans playing their asses off and they are expiring contracts, so both have value also after the summer for the trade deadline.

Wright is young and has solid talent, bring him back. But he isnt the center solution. Brand can stay for the vet minimum.

Everyone else goodbye.

[vcmavs25]

agree with everyone that collison and mayo needs to go.

[mac222b]

Approx. 2% chance at a top3 pick. 0.60% at top pick

Bulls had a 1.7% chance at the 1st pick the year the were gifted Derrick Rose

[EricaLubarsky]

Collison and Mayo don't need to go-- they need to supplemented.

We need a PG good enough to force Collison into a backup role as change-up guy. We need players good enough to make Mayo a third option (even if he remains a starter).

[grndmstr_c]

So, how are the Mavs going to handle Collison's free agent status? They run the risk of tying their hands a little bit when it comes to the top tier UFAs on the market if they extend the qualifying offer to him, right? Granted, it's probably not very likely, and odds are they could clear space quickly by unloading Vince or trading down on Marion if they needed to, but they have to at least take a look at the possibility of allowing Darren to become a UFA, right?

[oilfieldtrash]

Collison should not be back under any circumstances and even veteran minimum. He has no idea of how to run a nba team as a pg. Why in the world anyone would even entertain the idea of him running the team in even limited minutes is mind boggling.

[JeffViggiano]

Jack - Collison (around 3M)
Ellis(12/13M ???) - Carter or Mayo (option)
Marion - Crowder
Dirk - Brand
Gortat - Wright

is it possible???and sounds good?

[Melonhead]

Anybody have a feeling that all this discussion and we most likely won't get any of these players? I feel pretty confident mayo resigns and possibly collison

[vcmavs25]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Anybody have a feeling that all this discussion and we most likely won't get any of these players? I feel pretty confident mayo resigns and possibly collison

That is my fear that we are going to have the same team next season.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

So, how are the Mavs going to handle Collison's free agent status? They run the risk of tying their hands a little bit when it comes to the top tier UFAs on the market if they extend the qualifying offer to him, right? Granted, it's probably not very likely, and odds are they could clear space quickly by unloading Vince or trading down on Marion if they needed to, but they have to at least take a look at the possibility of allowing Darren to become a UFA, right?

His qualifying offer is about $3.34M... I'd almost guarantee that we'll extend it to him. Some team out there will probably offer him $20M so he isn't likely to be retained, but I wouldn't be shocked if we used him in a sign and trade.

[Dirk's Knee]

Forget Collison. Pick up Calderon to start and Nate Robinson as backup.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Forget Collison. Pick up Calderon to start and Nate Robinson as backup.

Clader-no. He's slow and as bad as anything we have had at PG on defense.

Jarett Jack, yes.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

Jack - Collison (around 3M)
Ellis(12/13M ???) - Carter or Mayo (option)
Marion - Crowder
Dirk - Brand
Gortat - Wright

is it possible???and sounds good?

Dont have enough cap space to sign Jack/Ellis and trade for Gortat with a TE. So we need Marions/Carters contract.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Clader-no. He's slow and as bad as anything we have had at PG on defense.

Jarett Jack, yes.

I don't think GS is letting go of Jack, the team has been clear on their desire to keep him. As the team is good, Jack has no real incentive to leave unless someone overpays. Many analysts are placing credit for this years playoff appearance on Jack rather than Curry. He was recently asked about free agency and his response was "I'm happy here". GS was under the luxury threshold so they don't have to worry about the repeater. The question is whether GS will offer a long enough contract to satisfy Jack who's 30. I think we've discussed on this board before but players typically don't get better after around 27 and often see a rather stiff drop off as they approach 35. Overpaying him a 4-5 year deal may trap us down the line. Maybe we could front load it to provide post Dirk big contract relief down the line.

Calderon on the other hand will definitely be looking to move to a contender. JKidd was a pretty sorry defender as well do to an extreme lack of speed. I guess part of the decision would be how much he's really worth. I mean if we're going to have to offer something like $12 mil to Calderon, maybe Jack would take $9 mil leaving more money to stock the bench?

If we can get Nate Robinson as well who is making squat at Chicago and will see reduction in playing time when Rose returns next season (an incentive to leave), I think his defense would make up for anything lacking from Calderon. They could share minutes more evenly based on matchups, or even play Robinson off the bench more minutes than Calderon.

Of course, if we were able to get both Jack and Robinson...

[grndmstr_c]

GS has ~ $74 million in salary committed next year without Jack, who might very well like the idea of the starting gig Dallas would almost certainly be offering if they decided to pursue him at all. The Warriors are going to be vulnerable to losing him. That said, I wouldn't offer him $9 million.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

GS has ~ $74 million in salary committed next year without Jack, who might very well like the idea of the starting gig Dallas would almost certainly be offering if they decided to pursue him at all. The Warriors are going to be vulnerable to losing him. That said, I wouldn't offer him $9 million.

No but 7-8 I'd for sure consider. I think a 4/32 gets him.

[SMC0007]

I would offer JAck close to 9mil for his services if that's what it took. There was discussion of that salary range for Mayo when he was playing well. We have to have a complete package and while he isn't a superstar, I think he is just what we need. He has the feisty attitude I like too.

[Melonhead]

Cuban: "Hypothetically speaking, if Dirk wasn't hurt and we're in the hunt for a fifth or sixth seed, you're asking me different questions: 'Hey, you guys put together a decent squad, what do you have to do to take it to the next level?' That's the way it goes."

To me, this says alot. I do not see fifth seed in this team, even if Dirk was here all season. I believe he resigns most of the team. Def Mayo and Collison.

[Melonhead]

Would love to see Jack/Dragic with Cousins/Gortat. However, I do not think we are making that big of a splash.

One can hope. Oh, and I am definitely on board with Nate Robinson. He is feisty and always has his players back. He is the spark off the bench I would be thrilled to have.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

GS has ~ $74 million in salary committed next year without Jack, who might very well like the idea of the starting gig Dallas would almost certainly be offering if they decided to pursue him at all. The Warriors are going to be vulnerable to losing him. That said, I wouldn't offer him $9 million.

Even with Landry's opt out? And remember, you're expecting a player on a fairly youthful playoff bound team with a rising star (or 2) for whom there was significant 6th man of the year talk to choose a team who will end in the 10th spot with no young talent and a fading star. I'm not saying it isn't doable, it just seems the motivation would be for him to stay forcing anyone who wants him to make an offer he can't refuse ($$$). While Calderon and Nate Robinson are more likely to leave, and in the case of Calderon perhaps even taking a pay cut to play here.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cuban: "Hypothetically speaking, if Dirk wasn't hurt and we're in the hunt for a fifth or sixth seed, you're asking me different questions: 'Hey, you guys put together a decent squad, what do you have to do to take it to the next level?' That's the way it goes."

To me, this says alot. I do not see fifth seed in this team, even if Dirk was here all season. I believe he resigns most of the team. Def Mayo and Collison.

Honestly, if Dirk was healthy all season I think the 6th spot is realistic. Think about where this season tanked. It was Dec/Jan. Since Dirk's return to form this has been a different team.

The 3 reasons we didn't make the playoffs this year in order or importance is: missing Dirk for so long (and his slow return), horrible guard (specifically PG) play, and weak post defense/rebounding. So the answer to his rhetorical question is upgrade PG and C.

[sefant77]

I dont want any one year rentals anymore. Just go and sign 1-2 good guys longterm.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I would offer JAck close to 9mil for his services if that's what it took. There was discussion of that salary range for Mayo when he was playing well. We have to have a complete package and while he isn't a superstar, I think he is just what we need. He has the feisty attitude I like too.

What you're really trying to say is that he is a Carlisle guy...and I couldn't agree more. The Mavs need to better evaluate players that can mesh with what Rick is asking for.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

Even with Landry's opt out? And remember, you're expecting a player on a fairly youthful playoff bound team with a rising star (or 2) for whom there was significant 6th man of the year talk to choose a team who will end in the 10th spot with no young talent and a fading star. I'm not saying it isn't doable, it just seems the motivation would be for him to stay forcing anyone who wants him to make an offer he can't refuse ($$$). While Calderon and Nate Robinson are more likely to leave, and in the case of Calderon perhaps even taking a pay cut to play here.

Okay, was forgetting about Landry. Even with that, though, taking minimum roster size into account, and barring a salary dump, GS is going to be at or above the tax threshold before they even start negotiating with Jarrett. It remains to be seen how much they'll be willing to commit to him in actual dollars next year.

As for the rest of it, Jack's probably not going to leave GS just to leave GS, but if they get gun-shy at all on matching his market value, the odds are way better than even that he'll go where the dollars and the starting job offer are. That's just the way things work.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by spreedom

His qualifying offer is about $3.34M... I'd almost guarantee that we'll extend it to him. Some team out there will probably offer him $20M so he isn't likely to be retained, but I wouldn't be shocked if we used him in a sign and trade.

This is so far off its crazy. I was wondering the other day if collison would even get a veteran minimum offer next year. The idea of someone offering him a 20mil contract is crazy la la land talk.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

This is so far off its crazy. I was wondering the other day if collison would even get a veteran minimum offer next year. The idea of someone offering him a 20mil contract is crazy la la land talk.

Agreed. There's just not much there with Collison IMHO. He's really an undersized 2 guard and that's a bad position to be in in the NBA unless you're crazy good. I would see Mayo being offered that kind of money (more really, like ~30/4 with an option in the last year) for sure though as besides his 2 pretty understandable slumps (adjusting to Dirk's return and playing with an injury recently) he's been pretty effective (though far from perfect).

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

This is so far off its crazy. I was wondering the other day if collison would even get a veteran minimum offer next year. The idea of someone offering him a 20mil contract is crazy la la land talk.

He's a young PG averaging 12ppg/5apg for his career... some team will overpay for him as a starter or a supersub. I'd be willing to bet whatever you want that he'll get closer to $5M per year than the league minimum.

2013 Free Agent PGs better than Collison:
Jeff Teague (R)
Devin Harris (debatable)
Nate Robinson
Jarrett Jack
Chris Paul
Brandon Jennings
Jose Calderon

And of those guys, I'd say Harris, Robinson and Calderon are far from locks to get bigger deals than Collison. The rest of the guys will probably get $7-8M or more per year... but with Utah, Washington, Cleveland, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, Philly, New Orleans, Toronto, Sacramento, Orlando, and Portland all being potential free agent players (all of whom will be in need of a backup PG)... I'd be surprised if any of those guys I listed, and Collison, don't get pretty big contracts. Deserved or not.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Okay, was forgetting about Landry. Even with that, though, taking minimum roster size into account, and barring a salary dump, GS is going to be at or above the tax threshold before they even start negotiating with Jarrett. It remains to be seen how much they'll be willing to commit to him in actual dollars next year.

As for the rest of it, Jack's probably not going to leave GS just to leave GS, but if they get gun-shy at all on matching his market value, the odds are way better than even that he'll go where the dollars and the starting job offer are. That's just the way things work.

Looking more closely at the GS roster, they're about in the same situation as us regarding cap. In 2014 they'll have the chance for significant relief with Bogut, Jefferson, and Biedrins (wow that's a bad contract) coming off the books. So it might make sense to offer Jack a slightly bigger contract in order to have him for another year (or more) and also have a valuable trade asset to potentially save cap after 2015 after they restock the bench. I'm just predicting if anyone want's him they'll have to overpay. I don't think GS is letting him go easy.

[mac222b]

Would love to see J.Jack here- been clamoring for him for years-but i dont see anyway
he gets 9mil. a year from Dallas. Someone above suggested front loading the deal but that seems like a pretty uncommon thing from what i've read. It requires cap space to offer a big signing bonus and might limit flexibility o sign other players

[grndmstr_c]

LMAO at the notion that Darren's going to be relegated to trolling for vet min offers.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

There is no way GS matches a 9 mil a year offer for Jack. If they did, then Cuban severely misread the market under the new CBA. If the Mavs really wanted Jack, then they could prob get him. It will be interesting to see what type of player they draft.

[He15man]

Here's the players that i like on our current team:

Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Vince Carter
Jae Crowder
Elton Brand
Brandon Wright

The guys i do not like:
Darren Collison
Roddy Beaubois
Chris Kaman

Guys i would like to see back, but for a decent price:
OJ Mayo

I like OJ Mayo, i think he is a decent player but i don't feel he is a starter. The guy reminds me of a poor mans Jason Terry, i think OJ can be good for offense he just needs some time in the Mavs organization to do it.

I would love to see OJ come off the bench in Terry's role, he really seemed to struggle trying to find his role when Dirk came back.

If i were Cuban these are the guys i would bring back next season

Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Vince Carter
Jae Crowder
Elton Brand
Brandon Wright
OJ Mayo

If those guys came back I wouldn't mind, this team was not that far off. 24 of this teams 40 losses were by 10 points or less. In the NBA the top teams are the teams that close out the close games and this group of players were close but not close enough.

I think you bring those guys back and go out there and find the best point guard or center you can.

We need a point guard who can get the ball to Dirk, but who can also create his own shot and generate some offense late in the game, We cannot rely on Dirk all the time. Jason Terry used to be our late game scorer besides Dirk.

We need guys who can defend and rebound in the paint, our defense was horrible this year. We don't need a big who can score IMO.

I don't know how all the salary cap stuff and contracts work etc.

If i were Cuban i would bring back those key guys, and go out there and try and snag a good C and PG which is what this team needs badly.

Mayo is only 25 years old, i wouldn't let the guy walk so easily if you ask me. Give him an off-season to work with Nowitzki, develop some chemistry, cut down his late game turnovers, and develop as player before just cutting the ropes. Mayo has potential, he is just inconsistent and makes some stupid mistakes.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by He15man

Here's the players that i like on our current team:

Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Vince Carter
Jae Crowder
Elton Brand
Brandon Wright

The guys i do not like:
Darren Collison
Roddy Beaubois
Chris Kaman

Guys i would like to see back, but for a decent price:
OJ Mayo

I like OJ Mayo, i think he is a decent player but i don't feel he is a starter. The guy reminds me of a poor mans Jason Terry, i think OJ can be good for offense he just needs some time in the Mavs organization to do it.

I would love to see OJ come off the bench in Terry's role, he really seemed to struggle trying to find his role when Dirk came back.

If i were Cuban these are the guys i would bring back next season

Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Vince Carter
Jae Crowder
Elton Brand
Brandon Wright
OJ Mayo

If those guys came back I wouldn't mind, this team was not that far off. 24 of this teams 40 losses were by 10 points or less. In the NBA the top teams are the teams that close out the close games and this group of players were close but not close enough.

I think you bring those guys back and go out there and find the best point guard or center you can.

We need a point guard who can get the ball to Dirk, but who can also create his own shot and generate some offense late in the game, We cannot rely on Dirk all the time. Jason Terry used to be our late game scorer besides Dirk.

We need guys who can defend and rebound in the paint, our defense was horrible this year. We don't need a big who can score IMO.

I don't know how all the salary cap stuff and contracts work etc.

If i were Cuban i would bring back those key guys, and go out there and try and snag a good C and PG which is what this team needs badly.

Mayo is only 25 years old, i wouldn't let the guy walk so easily if you ask me. Give him an off-season to work with Nowitzki, develop some chemistry, cut down his late game turnovers, and develop as player before just cutting the ropes. Mayo has potential, he is just inconsistent and makes some stupid mistakes.

almost positive kaman will be here next year

[Dirk's Knee]

I would like Mayo back as well. Breaking down his season, I think he was very effective given the circumstances. He's had 2 pretty big slumps but both somewhat explainable. 1st one was trying to adjust to Dirk's return and the 2nd (current) trying to play through injury. He's young and shows some promise. Studies have shown that players tend to peak between 25 and 27 though, so the question is can we see some more of the 1st half Mayo next season with a healthy Dirk?

I wouldn't bring Brand back. Though I love his effort, too small to play center and I'd prefer to see Wright come off the bench for Dirk. I'd much rather see us pick up a traditional C and play Bernard James off the bench. I guess we could keep him for a 5 man rotation at PF/C, but really, I'm sick of seeing RC over think himself...

Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

almost positive kaman will be here next year

That would be a failure of epic proportions...

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

I would like Mayo back as well. Breaking down his season, I think he was very effective given the circumstances. He's had 2 pretty big slumps but both somewhat explainable. 1st one was trying to adjust to Dirk's return and the 2nd (current) trying to play through injury. He's young and shows some promise. Studies have shown that players tend to peak between 25 and 27 though, so the question is can we see some more of the 1st half Mayo next season with a healthy Dirk?

I wouldn't bring Brand back. Though I love his effort, too small to play center and I'd prefer to see Wright come off the bench for Dirk. I'd much rather see us pick up a traditional C and play Bernard James off the bench. I guess we could keep him for a 5 man rotation at PF/C, but really, I'm sick of seeing RC over think himself...



That would be a failure of epic proportions...

thats kind of the point..... not to be rude