Offseason 2010 Thread - Page 6 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

grndmstr_c · 05-14-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Is this a dumb question:

which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy

with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron

If you can get Lebron or Wade and it costs you Booby you take that deal, and with perhaps one exception (Bosh if he doesn't cost you Booby) you don't even consider other trade possibilities that might be out there.

I'd also say that once you get to JJ on down I don't consider Damp + Butler to be a particularly good deal for the Mavs (conditional on whatever other pieces come back the Mavs' way).

Zki41 · 05-14-2010, 09:26 PM

Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.

KINGBEEF · 05-14-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.

First, LeBron adding 30 to 50 wins, in which I am assuming you're meaning during the Regular Season, means nothing. We don't have a problem winning during the Regular Season, it's the playoffs that we just can't get a grasp of.

Second Roddy is not an option and will not be an option in reference to any trade talks.

Trust me we can find a way to play everybody that should be playing if Barea and Najera seem to find a way to get minutes.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-14-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

first off Lebron will be a free agent, so there's no need to discuss a trade with Cleveland.

Second, LeBron adding 30 to 50 wins, in which I am assuming you're meaning during the Regular Season, means nothing. We don't have a problem winning during the Regular Season, it's the playoffs that we just can't get a grasp of.

Third Roddy is not an option and will not be an option in reference to any trade talks.

Trust me we can find a way to play everybody that should be playing if Barea and Najera seem to find a way to get minutes.

Umm....yes we do have to discuss a trade with Cleveland. Since we are over the cap, the only way to get LeBron is to do a sign & trade with Cleveland...

KINGBEEF · 05-14-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Umm....yes we do have to discuss a trade with Cleveland. Since we are over the cap, the only way to get LeBron is to do a sign & trade with Cleveland...

I keep forgetting that we're over the cap. Disregard the first part of that message. but from the second point on, i am golden

Zki41 · 05-14-2010, 11:37 PM

It's not about standings or rankings, its the fact that LeBron produces so much during games consistently across an entire season.

chumdawg · 05-14-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

I keep forgetting that we're over the cap. Disregard the first part of that message. but from the second point on, i am golden

If you keep forgetting that we're over the cap, how could we take your analysis seriously?

clutch#41 · 05-14-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.

30-50 wins...damn i hope we get lebron so we'll be undefeated next year

Windmill360 · 05-15-2010, 01:16 AM

Wouldn't it be great if somehow Shaq influenced Lebron into coming to Dallas just like he almost did with McGrady back when he wanted out of Orlando? We use Damp's contract and then sign Shaq as the backup to Haywood.

Kidd/Roddy
Roddy/Terry
Lebron/Marion
Dirk/Marion
Haywood/Shaq

mkat · 05-15-2010, 01:22 AM

i think the lebron question is: will he let anyone coach him that isn't a Phil Jackson/Pat Riley type?

mkat · 05-15-2010, 01:23 AM

ps - anyone here this crazy rumor that delonte west was sleeping with lebron's mom, and that's why his production dropped in the celtics series?

Zki41 · 05-15-2010, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Wouldn't it be great if somehow Shaq influenced Lebron into coming to Dallas just like he almost did with McGrady back when he wanted out of Orlando? We use Damp's contract and then sign Shaq as the backup to Haywood.

Kidd/Roddy
Roddy/Terry
Lebron/Marion
Dirk/Marion
Haywood/Shaq

I was reading the Cavs forums at RealGM. A lot of people were talking about how LeBron felt that Shaq shouldn't play as much against Boston (he wanted to go smaller I suppose), but Mike Brown sided with playing Shaq, thus frustrating LeBron.

That being said, I'm not sure Shaq and LeBron are on the best of terms ...

Thespiralgoeson · 05-15-2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mkat

i think the lebron question is: will he let anyone coach him that isn't a Phil Jackson/Pat Riley type?

I could be wrong but I have never got the impression that Lebron is at all a difficult player to coach. If he had won multiple championship earlier in his career like Kobe he might have gotten a big ego, but for a star of his caliber he seems to be a pretty humble guy.

bobatundi · 05-15-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

Considering LeBron alone can add 30-50 wins to your teams record ... I would say it's safe to say that giving up Roddy would be more than okay if we got LeBron in return. Roddy is a young stud, but we don't know how high is ceiling is, etc. etc. LeBron is pretty much a sure thing, and Carlisle will have to give him minutes! It will create a logjam at SF ... but honestly when you have LeBron playing next to Dirk ... this is not a bad problem to have.

How awesome would it be for the Mavs to get LeBron and win 105 games during the regular season!!!

ghazi · 05-15-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Is this a dumb question:

which is better?
Lebron and lose Roddy
Joe Johnson and Keep Roddy

with the essentials being Damp, Butler, and junk being sent in the ATL deal
and Damp, Butler, Roddy and junk for LeBron

I think its fairly dumb

. Simply put, Lebron has a greater, more transcendent effect than Roddy and JJ put together...superduperstar power >>> depth

Lebron is the best player on the planet, I don't even consider Johnson to be a top 20 player.

bcrav4 · 05-15-2010, 10:51 AM

Let's mix things up! To throw out a WORST case scenario: Shaq and McGrady, as a last last last resort. They talked about playing together for Dallas a few years ago.

Maybe McGrady's first round mojo and our bad first round mojo would cancel each other out.

RareMilk · 05-15-2010, 11:16 AM

That worst case scenario would we still end up with Butler, Roddy, and Haywood? Lose Jet, and Damp? Bring in T-Mac and Shaq? Making the best of a worst situation. I would be okay for that (worst case scenario) as long as we still have Butler Roddy and Haywood.

Kante · 05-15-2010, 03:35 PM

Kidd on his illness: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...with_carlisle/

mkat · 05-15-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I could be wrong but I have never got the impression that Lebron is at all a difficult player to coach. If he had won multiple championship earlier in his career like Kobe he might have gotten a big ego, but for a star of his caliber he seems to be a pretty humble guy.

i wouldn't say he's difficult to coach...it's just that HE's the coach. you can tell he doesn't listen to mike brown, and i think that might be kinda why the cavs turn into a "hey let's watch lebron" team.

kchan · 05-15-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mkat

i wouldn't say he's difficult to coach...it's just that HE's the coach. you can tell he doesn't listen to mike brown, and i think that might be kinda why the cavs turn into a "hey let's watch lebron" team.

Maybe its got to do with Mike Brown not really too imaginative in offense. Especially in 4th Q situations. Its basically get the ball to Lebron and get out of the way.

dirt_dobber · 05-15-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Kidd on his illness: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...with_carlisle/

Mavericks point guard Jason Kidd said illness and the formality of exit interviews prompted him to miss the team's final gathering after they were eliminated from the playoffs by the Spurs.

He disputed rumors that he's at odds with coach Rick Carlisle. Kidd added that he played through a cold from the start of the series and also experienced back spasms.

"It wasn't anything that was alarming," Kidd said of the back spasms. "I made it all the way to the end [of the season] without any significant bruises or bumps until the back being a little tight on me. But Casey [Smith, head athletic trainer], we did everything. The only thing that I had was a cold, I was a little bit under the weather, but that was it.

"I didn't make shots. As a team, we didn't make shots when we had to and San Antonio played better than us."

Kidd said he informed Smith and others after Game 6 that he didn't plan on attending the final meeting.

"I've been in this league long enough to know that exit meetings are just about picking up your things and going home," Kidd said. "I was sick, and there was really nothing I could do. You know, sit there and say we lost? San Antonio beat us, that was it."

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...#ixzz0o2RSGUoT

bcrav4 · 05-15-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RareMilk

That worst case scenario would we still end up with Butler, Roddy, and Haywood? Lose Jet, and Damp? Bring in T-Mac and Shaq? Making the best of a worst situation. I would be okay for that (worst case scenario) as long as we still have Butler Roddy and Haywood.

We could sign Shaq for the MLE, and sign and trade Tmac for a couple 2nd rounders (since the Knicks are under the cap), and we would still have the DUST chip, which we could just use to get rid of Terry for a couple of cheaper players.

mavs777 · 05-15-2010, 08:18 PM

I don't mind Shaq at all if we get a elite player with him, Mcgrady right now is too much of a gamble, Shaq can't defend the pick and roll so I would prefer other bigs, but if it was shaq and wade or lebron id obviously do it in a nano second

mavsfan1000 · 05-15-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I don't mind Shaq at all if we get a elite player with him, Mcgrady right now is too much of a gamble, Shaq can't defend the pick and roll so I would prefer other bigs, but if it was shaq and wade or lebron id obviously do it in a nano second

Shaq is done. He was key to why the Celtics won btw.

Windmill360 · 05-15-2010, 08:43 PM

by no means would shaq be a starter on this team. But is he as good, better than Damp? I think he could play 20 minutes in a back up role.

mavs777 · 05-15-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Shaq is done. He was key to why the Celtics won btw.

nice try, the reason the Cs won was Jamison he couldn't defend kg nor did he score efficiently and Mo williams. Shaq averaged 13.5 and 5 for Celtics series, shooting 52% from the floor and 66 % from the line in 23.5 minutes.

Jamison scored 11.8 ppg in 33.3 mpg, shooting 42% from the floor, 19% from 3, and 66% from the line. he did have 5.8 Rebounds per game

Mo Williams scored 13.3 ppg, shooting 41% per from the floor, 21% from 3, and let rondo run circles around him. Shaq was clevelands second best player in the series as well as Varagou

mavs777 · 05-15-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

by no means would shaq be a starter on this team. But is he as good, better than Damp? I think he could play 20 minutes in a back up role.

he is better than damp no question about it

tcat075 · 05-15-2010, 10:01 PM

No McGrady. No Shaq. Please. That's all.

mkat · 05-15-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kchan

Maybe its got to do with Mike Brown not really too imaginative in offense. Especially in 4th Q situations. Its basically get the ball to Lebron and get out of the way.

well yeah....because the cavs have created that mindset throughout the organization.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 05-16-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bcrav4

We could sign Shaq for the MLE, and sign and trade Tmac for a couple 2nd rounders (since the Knicks are under the cap), and we would still have the DUST chip, which we could just use to get rid of Terry for a couple of cheaper players.

Tmac is a unrestricted free agent. We don't need to trade for him. If we want him, we could use a bi-annual exception for him (did Dallas use this last year?) or even a minimum salary exception on him.

Btw, I wouldn't want him in Dallas. He's lost the athleticism that made him so great. I heard from somewhere that he was even considering retirement.

Nowitzki4President · 05-16-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Rockets Fan

Btw, I wouldn't want him in Dallas. He's lost the athleticism that made him so great. I heard from somewhere that he was even considering retirement.

He said that he will train during the summer, and if he doesn't feel like he can bring what he thinks he should bring to the table, than he won't kid himself and retire... I kinda respect that.

nowhereman · 05-17-2010, 03:37 AM

i'm all for any player that brings our average age down, not up.

read: no shaq.

sefant77 · 05-17-2010, 05:30 AM

Im fine with Haywood and Damp next year.

SMC0007 · 05-17-2010, 10:38 AM

McGrady kicked our ass last time he had the chance. I would take him, he would be better than anything else we have.

dude1394 · 05-17-2010, 11:20 AM

Lessee...If I trade Damp out and bring in Snack..that's got to be a positive I expect.

Usually Lurkin · 05-17-2010, 11:43 AM

"better than what we have" is not good enough. Butler was better than what we had. We need to be shooting quite a bit higher than marginally acceptable improvement.

Kidd Karma · 05-17-2010, 12:47 PM

The only way we even talk sign and trade with Cleveland is if Lebron agrees to our contract offer, then we can open up trade talks with Cleveland. Even then, Lebron has no leverage, other than walking to his 2nd choice and signing outright, thus Cleveland has to decide, get something or have nothing.

SMC0007 · 05-17-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

"better than what we have" is not good enough. Butler was better than what we had. We need to be shooting quite a bit higher than marginally acceptable improvement.

Nothing is going to be good enough, until we win it all. That isn't happening unless we make a major move and get a superstar that will make Dirk the #2 or 1b. Thats just the way it is in reality, choose to live in it or not.

That said, lets not snub our nose at a player better than anything we have at a certain current position especially SG. Obviously you don't break the bank or overpay for McGrady by any means. What else are you going to do when the Lebron talk and most likely the WAde talk ends up where we all know it will (not in dallas) aside from overpaying Joe Johnson??? You still try to get as good as you can, right?

bobbyfg7 · 05-17-2010, 02:44 PM

Anyone have ESPN Insider? I'm curious to see what this turd has to say about James' best possible sidekicks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...ings_hollinger

ghazi · 05-17-2010, 02:58 PM

too lazy to paste, but his numbers say Bosh and Nowitzki would be the 2 best sidekicks and that Wade/Rose/Harris aren't great fits with Lebron, due to high useage rates.

I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with the latter. Wade/Lebron is the top 2 players in the league... it would have to work out, and likely be pretty awesome.

but I digress. Dirk/Lebron do compliment each other nicely.