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b_o_r · 07-12-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

Some stuff on twitter about Mavs being interested in José Calderon.

He is a PG but with no defensive mobile C or PF on this team...hell no.

turin · 07-12-2012, 09:07 PM

Between Scola and Brand, I'd lean towards Brand. Already has history of chemistry with Kaman, complements Dirk better, so more minutes on floor together for Dirk/Kaman/Brand than Dirk/Kaman/Scola, plus 1-yr deal. No brainer imo. However, if the Mavs can get them both, then that would be more assets and a deeper team. I'm all for that also.

OneLove22 · 07-12-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

He is a PG but with no defensive mobile C or PF on this team...hell no.

I think he would be a good pick up. He can spread the ball better than who we currently have at point. Our defense wasn't bad last year and we had an older, more un-athletic perimeter than we currently do.

10.5 ppg 8.8 apg. He played with Bargnani; lets see what he can do with Dirk who is like him but way better.

sike · 07-12-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

How does it feel Ringo? You're a daisy if you do.

"Why Johnny Ringo.....you look like someone just....walked all over your grave."

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 09:37 PM

"There's somethin' about him. Somethin' around the eyes... reminds me of .... me."

jthig32 · 07-12-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Eric Pincus is reporting (via Coon) that the minimum bid for Scola would be $10M because his contract is partially guaranteed.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/amnesty-cl...la-prohibitive

If so, how can the Mavs even bid on him?

That figure is split over three years.

Underdog · 07-12-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

Some stuff on twitter about Mavs being interested in José Calderon.

Via trade or amnesty?

mac222b · 07-12-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLove22

I think he would be a good pick up. He can spread the ball better than who we currently have at point. Our defense wasn't bad last year and we had an older, more un-athletic perimeter than we currently do.

10.5 ppg 8.8 apg. He played with Bargnani; lets see what he can do with Dirk who is like him but way better.

He's a good player. And in the final year of his deal. Im just trying to figure
out how they could make it work salary-wise. Unless this is a fall back plan in case they're outbid for Brand. In that case they could probably match salaries. But it'd still leave them needing another 4/5

Only other way i can see is Calderon for Marion. Maybe Dwayne Casey covets Matrix? Cant see the MBT doing that though. Even taking into account the swapping of a longer contract for an expiring, having a wing defender like Trix in today's NBA is invaluable.

BGMaverick9 · 07-12-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Via trade or amnesty?

Stein reported that it was through trade.

spreedom · 07-12-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

He's a good player. And in the final year of his deal. Im just trying to figure
out how they could make it work salary-wise. Unless this is a fall back plan in case they're outbid for Brand. In that case they could probably match salaries. But it'd still leave them needing another 4/5

Only other way i can see is Calderon for Marion. Maybe Dwayne Casey covets Matrix? Cant see the MBT doing that though. Even taking into account the swapping of a longer contract for an expiring, having a wing defender like Trix in today's NBA is invaluable.

If we trade Shawn Marion for Jose freaking Calderon I might go ballistic.

Underdog · 07-12-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

"There's somethin' about him. Somethin' around the eyes... reminds me of .... me."

sike · 07-12-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

If we trade Shawn Marion for Jose freaking Calderon I might go ballistic.

Yup. Unless its bc the MBT knows Calderon will have more value as a trade asset, I hate the thought.

mac222b · 07-12-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

If we trade Shawn Marion for Jose freaking Calderon I might go ballistic.

Haha dont worry, doubt it'll happen. Depends on how much MBT values financial flexibility. And how much Toronto wants Marion. It would leave a HUGE hole at the 3.

OneLove22 · 07-12-2012, 10:42 PM

Ya no Matrix trade lol.

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 10:46 PM

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I might go ballistic.

Uh oh,Maverick... Spreedom is going ballistic!

sike · 07-12-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Uh oh,Maverick... Spreedom is going ballistic!

haha...but does he have the need?...the need for speed!

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 10:59 PM

Well as Dirk told LeBron after the 2011 NBA Finals:

The plaque for the alternates is down in the ladies room.

Underdog · 07-13-2012, 06:21 AM

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Dallas Mavericks add three new players

From bust to boon?

Not exactly, but the Mavericks rebounded from a disastrous opening week of free agency with a series of moves this week that could add as many as three new starters around Dirk Nowitzki and keep the team in the playoff hunt.

Former All-Star center Chris Kaman, point guard Darren Collison and off guard Dahntay Jones are headed to Dallas. Power forward Elton Brand, a two-time All-Star, may not be far behind. Forward Luis Scola, expected to have the amnesty provision applied to him by the Rockets, could be another option.

Collison and Jones were involved in a sign-and-trade deal Thursday night with Indiana for backup center Ian Mahinmi. Kaman has confirmed his decision to sign with the Mavs, and the deal is expected to become official today.

"We like all three guys," Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said. "Collison is well thought of as a player and a person, and Kaman has been one of the better low-post players in the league for the last eight years. We feel Dahntay Jones is a premier defender that brings toughness and he shot the 3 well the last two years."

It's a haul that doesn't make up for failing to land Deron Williams, the prize of this free agency class who the Mavs believed could vault the franchise back into title contention.

The new group, headlined by Kaman and Collison, keeps the Mavs competitive in the Western Conference while preserving cap space for another run at a top free agent next summer.

A big plus in the acquisitions of Kaman, Collison and Jones is their respective contract situations.

Each is signed through only this upcoming season, with Collison and Jones entering the final years of their deals. That conceivably allows the Mavs to enter next summer's free agency with enough cap room to sign multiple high-impact free agents.

Though this wasn't the Plan A going into July, the front office led by owner Mark Cuban and general manager Donnie Nelson has scrambled to shore up several gaping holes in the roster magnified by the recent losses of Jason Terry and Jason Kidd.

"Mark and Donnie are always aggressive," Carlisle said. "They have had a pulse on the trade market and free agency, and the goal is to be as competitive as we can be and maintain flexibility.

"We're still working. We plan to keep working here."

Collison, a one-time backup to Chris Paul in New Orleans, has proven he can quarterback a winning team though his playing time dropped off during the playoffs. The Pacers fell to eventual NBA champion Miami in a hard-fought series in the East semifinals.

Kaman agreed to a one-year deal for $8 million. The 30-year-old 7-footer has been a solid player at both ends of the floor (career averages of 11.9 points and 8.3 rebounds) who has struggled to stay healthy for most of his nine-year career.

Kaman immediately steps into the starting center role vacated Thursday by amnesty casualty Brendon Haywood, whose run in Dallas ends after 2 1/2 seasons.

Philadelphia used the amnesty provision on Brand. Teams under the $58 million salary cap, such as the Mavericks, have the first shot at Brand through a waiver bidding process. The highest bid wins, and the Mavs are planning to make Brand a sizable offer.

Jones is a rugged, defensive-minded swingman who's played for four teams in his nine-year career.

He started 71 games for a Denver squad that reached the West finals in 2009 and averaged a career-high 10.2 points per game for the Pacers three years ago.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/07...three-new.html

LonghornDub · 07-13-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That figure is split over three years.

Right but that's still ~$3M. How can they bid on both him and Brand, unless they're really lowballing on Brand?

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Right but that's still ~$3M. How can they bid on both him and Brand, unless they're really lowballing on Brand?

IMO you'll hear of some trade that sheds salary soon.

jthig32 · 07-13-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Right but that's still ~$3M. How can they bid on both him and Brand, unless they're really lowballing on Brand?

Amnesty bids, so far, have been really low. The Clips got Billups for 2Mil.

I would not be surprised if they ended getting Brand for around 3Mil. But I would also not be surprised if they bid 5-6Mil to make sure they get him.

I think it's really unlikely that they risk losing Brand for a shot at Scola, but I also thought it was unlikely that they would amnesty Haywood, so what do I know?

LonghornDub · 07-13-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I would not be surprised if they ended getting Brand for around 3Mil. But I would also not be surprised if they bid 5-6Mil to make sure they get him.

This is how I feel. I think they'd have a decent chance on Brand at 3-3.5, but I think they're gonna overbid to try and make sure they get him. Low risk because of his expiring status.

Murphy3 · 07-13-2012, 01:40 PM

Yep, gotta bid what it takes to get Brand. Don't get cute.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2012, 01:44 PM

Regardless if we get Brand or not, we still desperately need a SG! Where is that going to come from?

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Regardless if we get Brand or not, we still desperately need a SG! Where is that going to come from?

Possible avenues for getting another backcourt rotation player include the mini mid-level, any unused cap-space from the amnesty bidding, a JET S&T, and a trade involving other players currently under contract with the Mavs.

Murphy3 · 07-13-2012, 02:06 PM

Yeah, but who?

BGMaverick9 · 07-13-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah, but who?

I want Belinelli. Foye would be a decent consolation prize, I guess.

The fact that JET hasn't signed with Boston yet makes it seem more and more likely that they're looking at sign-and-trade options.

purplefrog · 07-13-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah, but who?

I'm thinking Randy Foye if you consider the $$ MBT is willing/can spend, and the fact that he could also play PG if necessary. I prefer Belinelli but my gut tells me that Foye is more likely.

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah, but who?

Safest bet is Delonte. Won't make most people around here happy if that's the last non-vet min signing the Mavs make this summer, I'm sure, but he'd at least provide useable depth at both guard spots; and the simple fact of the matter is that unless there's a surprisingly lopsided trade lurking out there Dallas is probably going to have to go with a SG by committee approach this year.

BGMaverick9 · 07-13-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Safest bet is Delonte. Won't make most people around here happy if that's the last non-vet min signing the Mavs make this summer, I'm sure, but he'd at least provide useable depth at both guard spots; and the simple fact of the matter is that unless there's a surprisingly lopsided trade lurking out there Dallas is probably going to have to go with a SG by committee approach this year.

I could see the SGBC route.
Vince probably gets the starting nod, MMMMaybe Dahntay in the "starting" role (ala Stevenson).

If it's Vince, I think you see Roddy get the first crack to fill the role of JET.

Murphy3 · 07-13-2012, 02:45 PM

So, if it's Delonte, any chance of bringing in a shooter to round out the roster?

BGMaverick9 · 07-13-2012, 02:49 PM

Trying to do some digging, but there are a couple of Tweets suggesting Brand will be claimed by New Orleans.

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2012, 02:57 PM

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Trying to do some digging, but there are a couple of Tweets suggesting Brand will be claimed by New Orleans.

Well, that would suck.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Safest bet is Delonte. Won't make most people around here happy if that's the last non-vet min signing the Mavs make this summer, I'm sure, but he'd at least provide useable depth at both guard spots; and the simple fact of the matter is that unless there's a surprisingly lopsided trade lurking out there Dallas is probably going to have to go with a SG by committee approach this year.

Why is the safest bet Delonte??

I do not like the SGBC idea, and I damn sure don't like V.C. starting there or relying on him for many minutes. Belinelli is my first choice as well and I think it's much better than Delonte. We need a shooter, bottom line and Delonte isn't going to get it done. I like Delonte back on the cheap-cheap. He said he wants someone to pay him exactly what he's worth and no more, so I hope they offer him exactly that.

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2012, 03:10 PM

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Why is the safest bet Delonte??

Just means I think that's the most likely outcome (*if* they get Elton). Or did you understand that I meant that?

SMC0007 · 07-13-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Just means I think that's the most likely outcome (*if* they get Elton). Or did you understand that I meant that?

Ok, I see. I read that as you thought it was our safest bet to fill the SG spot.

pepe · 07-13-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Trying to do some digging, but there are a couple of Tweets suggesting Brand will be claimed by New Orleans.

Still a matter of who is the highest bidder, right? or seeding will matter?

grndmstr_c · 07-13-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Still a matter of who is the highest bidder, right? or seeding will matter?

NO has a ton more cap space than Dallas, so if they want to beat the Mavs' bid, they easily could.

CanadianMavsFan · 07-13-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Trying to do some digging, but there are a couple of Tweets suggesting Brand will be claimed by New Orleans.

Ugh reading this as well. That's a real shame.

LonghornDub · 07-13-2012, 03:19 PM

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Ugh reading this as well. That's a real shame.

I'd wait until somebody credible reports it before jumping ship.