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dude1394 · 12-01-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Where the hell did all of this come from Devin? Even those who opposed the trade couldn't have seen this coming. He's literally playing like a top 10 player in the NBA.

It's obviously the last two coaches the mavs had...nellie and avery.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-01-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by basketballgirl25

I'm loving how Devin Harris thise year

and it Devin wan't in the NBA what would he be doing?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11292008...obs_141417.htm

Drunk post.

Itachi · 12-01-2008, 12:20 AM

Regardless of where Devin is, I'm glad to see him playing well.

LonghornDub · 12-01-2008, 12:23 AM

Devin would have never dropped 47 for the Mavs until Dirk/Jet/Josh are old and retired.

Janett_Reno · 12-01-2008, 12:26 AM

You want to win games? You go to the foul line and shoot 17 ft's and you will win.

NBA games start in the 4th quarter. NBA games go half court in the 4th. It is about penetration in the 4th quarter. It is about fta's in the 4th quarter. 43 points in the 4th by NJ.

You just don't stop Parker, Harris, Paul and where this comes from? It comes from Avery putting a governor on Harris when he was here. He wanted him to be Jason Kidd and become an ast man. He wasn't suppose to score because they felt we did not need scorring from the pg position but what this organazation did not know, was this team had no one to penetrate in the 4th without a Harris type player on this team. He was a very fast, quick, scorrer that could jump in college and it was a matter of time before some organazation let him do what he was capable of doing. Harris will never be the same. He is now free to score and use all his abilities.

Another reason teams had probs with Harris, Terry and Dirk was because Harris broke every player and team down in the nba and you fouled him, doubled or trippled him and he now kicks it to Terry or Dirk and those are two great shooters.

The only problem was he was young, Avery made him scarred because of jerking him in and out because of a turn over, because we had no center to make a basket in the 4th quarter. All this team had to do was get a big sg thru the draft or however andthis could have been a deadly combo, with small Terry and great shooter or the new sg that was tall and could drive, plus shoot and play defense for in the 4th with a lead, we played the big athletic defensive sg. Then snag an offensive paint man at some point. Then you are talking about one of the very best pg's in the league that opens your other players up, plus making it possible to compete and possibly winning titles the next several years. Instead we threw away about 4 years or so that we will be maybe 500 and untill we can unload baggage and start again. No chance for a title for Dallas in next two years or more.

The Mavs organazation was blind and pulled off an Atlanta Hawks deal as the Mavs thought all their probs of why they could not win it all was pg and they was blind to the fact they had one of the very best pg's in the nba. Not Kidd's, Harris fault but the Mavs organazation not knowing what was a problem and their weakness. The Mavs still have the same weakness as when Harris was here, plus it is harder for us to penetrate in the 4th now as we must bomb away against good teams or defensive teams that clamp down.

It was a good lesson to learn from our past mistakes. You see not only Nash could not guard him but the whole Phx team couldn't.

darkwitzki · 12-01-2008, 12:30 AM

We let go of Nash, and he became an MVP, now we let go of Devin and he's going to be an all star.. If we let go of Stack, hell no..

dirno2000 · 12-01-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Devin would have never dropped 47 for the Mavs until Dirk/Jet/Josh are old and retired.

Why not? There are numerous instances over the years of 3rd and 4th options scoring 47+ on a given night. It's not like Josh an Dirk are they kind of players that HAVE to get their shots every night.

Dtownsfinest · 12-01-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

You want to win games? You go to the foul line and shoot 17 ft's and you will win.

NBA games start in the 4th quarter. NBA games go half court in the 4th. It is about penetration in the 4th quarter. It is about fta's in the 4th quarter. 43 points in the 4th by NJ.

You just don't stop Parker, Harris, Paul and where this comes from? It comes from Avery putting a governor on Harris when he was here. He wanted him to be Jason Kidd and become an ast man. He wasn't suppose to score because they felt we did not need scorring from the pg position but what this organazation did not know, was this team had no one to penetrate in the 4th without a Harris type player on this team. He was a very fast, quick, scorrer that could jump in college and it was a matter of time before some organazation let him do what he was capable of doing. Harris will never be the same. He is now free to score and use all his abilities.

Another reason teams had probs with Harris, Terry and Dirk was because Harris broke every player and team down in the nba and you fouled him, doubled or trippled him and he now kicks it to Terry or Dirk and those are two great shooters.

The only problem was he was young, Avery made him scarred because of jerking him in and out because of a turn over, because we had no center to make a basket in the 4th quarter. All this team had to do was get a big sg thru the draft or however andthis could have been a deadly combo, with small Terry and great shooter or the new sg that was tall and could drive, plus shoot and play defense for in the 4th with a lead, we played the big athletic defensive sg. Then snag an offensive paint man at some point. Then you are talking about one of the very best pg's in the league that opens your other players up, plus making it possible to compete and possibly winning titles the next several years. Instead we threw away about 4 years or so that we will be maybe 500 and untill we can unload baggage and start again. No chance for a title for Dallas in next two years or more.

The Mavs organazation was blind and pulled off an Atlanta Hawks deal as the Mavs thought all their probs of why they could not win it all was pg and they was blind to the fact they had one of the very best pg's in the nba. Not Kidd's, Harris fault but the Mavs organazation not knowing what was a problem and their weakness. The Mavs still have the same weakness as when Harris was here, plus it is harder for us to penetrate in the 4th now as we must bomb away against good teams or defensive teams that clamp down.

It was a good lesson to learn from our past mistakes. You see not only Nash could not guard him but the whole Phx team couldn't.

They seriously couldn't guard him.

Dtownsfinest · 12-01-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

We let go of Nash, and he became an MVP, now we let go of Devin and he's going to be an all star.. If we let go of Stack, hell no..

I hope this is some error in Yahoo's system but i'm looking at Marquis Daniels' stats and it says he's putting up 16 points 6 boards and a steal a game. Is this right? Seriously? What did we trade him for again? Croshere? Is he even in the league right now?

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I hope this is some error in Yahoo's system but i'm looking at Marquis Daniels' stats and it says he's putting up 16 points 6 boards and a steal a game. Is this right? Seriously? What did we trade him for again? Croshere? Is he even in the league right now?

Yeah, Quisy has been solid this season. I've got him on my fantasy team, and while he isn't tearing it up, he's definitely giving me scary numbers. His numbers might take a dip when Mike Dunlady comes back from his injury, but until then he's going to continue to get a lot of minutes. And say what you will, but Marquis has always produced when given the minutes.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 01:58 AM

I can't tell if some of you guys are serious in blaming Avery for holding Devin back. From what I've observed, it looks like Devin's developed a pretty serious pullup jumper over the offseason that he never had here. That's not Avery's fault that he could never hit it consistently and therefore was somewhat one-dimensional as a player (albeit still a pretty good dimension). I don't think anyone could have realistically predicted that he would develop it so quickly, but props to him for doing so. Moreover, he seems to be getting more love from the refs than he ever got here (I haven't really watched him enough to know whether it's justified or not). But regardless, a jump of about 7 extra free throw attempts a game is going to help anyone's scoring average.

I might have been wrong on Devin. We'll see, maybe that pullup jumper stops falling (although it looks pretty good in all the highlights). I do think the fact that he's averaging close 12 free throws is a bit of an aberration and can't see him averaging more than 8 for the season. So I do think that scoring average will come down. But he does seem to have taken a step forward.

nashtymavsfan13 · 12-01-2008, 02:13 AM

Devin is a flat out stud, and many of us knew that before the trade, and he's making us look real smart right now. The Harris for Kidd deal was terrible, no matter how you look at it. Devin is just getting into his prime and could go on to be a multiple time All-Star. I knew he'd be an All-Star in the East, but didn't know it'd be this soon. He's been amazing this year, playing like a top 20 player in the NBA. First Nash, now Devin.

fluid.forty.one · 12-01-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

He never put up numbers like that with us.

underrated point

twistaeffect2004 · 12-01-2008, 02:19 AM

And the front office fails again.

We'll get it right someday.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

underrated point

Knowing chum, I wouldn't be surprised if he's reverting to Nash-schtick here.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I dont know what is more absurd-- Harris getting 47pts, 8reb, 7ast or the Suns allowing 43 points in a single quarter.

In a league where Tony Delk can go off for 50+ and Chris Duhon can put up 22 assists, I'll believe just about anything.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-01-2008, 03:56 AM

Just like Nash never put up his MVP numbers with us?

I dunno guys/gals....it's a pretty tough pill to swallow these days saying that Kidd for Harris was the right move. Kinda hard to spin 47, 8, 7 as something that he could have never done here. 17-17 on fts is something the Mavs could use right about now.

I always knew Harris could do this if dumbass Avery didn't hold him back. Sorry but I just don't believe it's just because we have other scorers on the team that Harris would not become the player he is today.

This is nauseating...47? Seriously? Ugh.

ghazi · 12-01-2008, 05:03 AM

I dunno what to make of this. I don't hold any ill will toward the front office, but it's really hard to make a case that Kidd is better than Harris right now w/ the way he's been playing, althouhg this was my thought at the beginning of the season. Not that Kidd has played poorly, but Devin's playing like a top 10 player!! seriously!!

But it's all "what ifs".. we don't exactly know what would've happened had we not traded Harris.

basketballgirl25 · 12-01-2008, 06:46 AM

I can see from seeing parts of some games Kidd is better for the mavs then he was for Jersey, him and Carter just didn't mesh well, now Harris and Carter seem pretty good and mesh well together. So all in all it seems like a good trade for both teams so far

xavier · 12-01-2008, 08:50 AM

i just saw the highlights of Harris against the suns. So it prompted me to check further into this years stats. He is off the charts!!!! He will be an AllStar this year which makes it more painfull that he isn't in a Mavs uni right now. Congrats Devin

Usually Lurkin · 12-01-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

I dunno what to make of this. I don't hold any ill will toward the front office, but it's really hard to make a case that Kidd is better than Harris right now w/ the way he's been playing, althouhg this was my thought at the beginning of the season. Not that Kidd has played poorly, but Devin's playing like a top 10 player!! seriously!!.

If, at the beginning of the season, your thought was that Devin Harris would be a top 10 player, dropping 47 points, then you, at the beginning of the season, were in a very, very small minority, and relying on hope more than anything else.

alby · 12-01-2008, 10:21 AM

I love it how people who love Devin have to use the box score to defend him when things that don't appear on the box scores are what makes point guards really special.

LSMF · 12-01-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Just like Nash never put up his MVP numbers with us?

I dunno guys/gals....it's a pretty tough pill to swallow these days saying that Kidd for Harris was the right move. Kinda hard to spin 47, 8, 7 as something that he could have never done here. 17-17 on fts is something the Mavs could use right about now.

I always knew Harris could do this if dumbass Avery didn't hold him back. Sorry but I just don't believe it's just because we have other scorers on the team that Harris would not become the player he is today.

This is nauseating...47? Seriously? Ugh.

I was thinking about some of the front offices moves last night and it was driving me nuts. We let Nash go and he becomes a 2 time MVP, We trade Marquis Daniels for Croshere, Daniels becomes the Pacers starting 2 guard while Averaging 16pts per game, We absolutely overpay for Kidd and trade Devin away. Now Devin has become the Best PG in the east and a All-Star. Why does the Front office do this to their fans? The worst part about all of this is that Devin is only 25 years old so he will probably still be kicking tail for about 10 more years....

LSMF · 12-01-2008, 10:30 AM

I wonder if Dirk thinks about this trade in his mind...

jthig32 · 12-01-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I love it how people who love Devin have to use the box score to defend him when things that don't appear on the box scores are what makes point guards really special.

This is a tough point to stand on when he's fourth in the league in scoring on only 15 shots a game.

dirno2000 · 12-01-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I love it how people who love Devin have to use the box score to defend him when things that don't appear on the box scores are what makes point guards really special.

Really, you're still clinging to that point? He went for 47/6/8 but he didin't direct an offense like a true PG. As as sad before in this thread, your strengths can be so strong that they override you're your weakneses and Devin seems to have reached that point. Call him a 1, a 1.5, hell call him a 4 if you want. Dude is a beast.

He's averaging 12 FTA's a game while Kidd has shot 13 FT's all year. That kind of makes up for the fact that he can't make a great entry pass to the post.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Really, you're still clinging to that point? He went for 47/6/8 but he didin't direct an offense like a true PG. As as sad before in this thread, your strengths can be so strong that they override you're your weakneses and Devin seems to have reached that point. Call him a 1, a 1.5, hell call him a 4 if you want. Dude is a beast.

He's averaging 12 FTA's a game while Kidd has shot 13 FT's all year. That kind of makes up for the fact that he can't make a great entry pass to the post.

That FTA attempt number is a statistical anomaly as far as I'm concerned. You look through the numbers for the legends of the game, and not even they hit 12 FTA's for a season. I don't see that number lasting.

alby · 12-01-2008, 10:48 AM

Devin is a hell of a talent. I am not denying that. Was he going to pan out if he stayed on the Mavericks? Under Avery's direction? We won't ever know... but no one can tell me that people predicted that this was going to happen before the season began. Just cause he just went off for 47, people are now yelling and hollering. Didn't Tony Delk score 50 in a game once?

LSMF · 12-01-2008, 10:49 AM

Honestly I think if Kidd has a weak game tonight there is going to be a lot of "head scratching" going on about this trade. I just hope we can get another Good Pg eventually, and when we get that Pg don't build him up and then trade him away.

jthig32 · 12-01-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

Devin is a hell of a talent. I am not denying that. Was he going to pan out if he stayed on the Mavericks? Under Avery's direction? We won't ever know... but no one can tell me that people predicted that this was going to happen before the season began. Just cause he just went off for 47, people are now yelling and hollering. Didn't Tony Delk score 50 in a game once?

Come on dude. You really damage your credibility when you try and chalk this up as a one game thing. Take away last night's game and he's still averaging almost 24 points a game.

He's been one of the best players in the NBA this season. It's just a fact.

dirno2000 · 12-01-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

That FTA attempt number is a statistical anomaly as far as I'm concerned. You look through the numbers for the legends of the game, and not even they hit 12 FTA's for a season. I don't see that number lasting.

I tend to agree but I agreed when you said it two weeks ago and I believe it's gone up since then

. Whatever the number settles at it's going to be higher than any of our guys put up.

erdubya · 12-01-2008, 10:53 AM

I know we all get nausea when looking at that 47,8,7 and 17 for 17 line...

But just think how Nets fans are feeling (or will feel) about practically giving Antoine Wright away.

Besides... Antoine Wright plays D...and Harris hardly put a muzzle on Nash last night.

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Not saying Wright and Harris are equal by no means... but just thinking about everything (scoring/defense/kidd's expiring contract/devin's near-max deal coming up/etc.) makes me feel a little better about the trade.

alby · 12-01-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Come on dude. You really damage your credibility when you try and chalk this up as a one game thing. Take away last night's game and he's still averaging almost 24 points a game.

He's been one of the best players in the NBA this season. It's just a fact.

I haven't denied that once. If you remember from the past, I'm one of the bigger Devin backers on this board. It just peeves me when an Ex-Mav is getting more attention than the current Mavericks. I wish Devin well and I want him to do well when he's not playing Dallas. But the love-fest is over the top and frankly, pretty annoying.

bernardos70 · 12-01-2008, 10:54 AM

Waiting on the yearly injury that would have put us in a bind if he was still our PG.....

I honestly was never a Devin Harris fan. For all of the (what I consider) dud years he had here, he's gonna have to keep this up for the whole year (his averages, or at least close to it) to impress me.

It's good times right now for your Devin Harris fans. I wish him nothing but well. But his play for us is still very vivid in my mind, and he is one of my least favorite mavs in recent years.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

I tend to agree but I agreed when you said it two weeks ago and I believe it's gone up since then

. Whatever the number settles at it's going to be higher than any of our guys put up.

Yeah, I have to say I'm shocked that he's kept it up this long

If he does keep it up, you have to wonder about a league where a player can go from one team to another and suddenly triple his FTA numbers. I sure do wish he was getting that kind of love in the 2006 NBA Finals...

jthig32 · 12-01-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I haven't denied that once. If you remember from the past, I'm one of the bigger Devin backers on this board. It just peeves me when an Ex-Mav is getting more attention than the current Mavericks. I wish Devin well and I want him to do well when he's not playing Dallas. But the love-fest is over the top and frankly, pretty annoying.

I agree with that. Just don't try and discount what he's doing.

LSMF · 12-01-2008, 10:57 AM

What makes Devin so good now is that he has pretty much combined all of his moves, he has that up and under move, he can get to the rim and finish with a layup or posterize the crap out of some one, he has developed a nice little floater and now he can really shoot the basketball. He's an all-star.

alby · 12-01-2008, 10:58 AM

There's just no way that someone predicted Devin to average 25/6/4 before the year began. If you did, let me see your fantasy teams

I mean, he is scoring more than Kobe Bryant for crying out loud. This year has just been a little off.

FINtastic · 12-01-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

There's just no way that someone predicted Devin to average 25/6/4 before the year began. If you did, let me see your fantasy teams

Screw fantasy, I want to know their stock picks. The only way you could have possibly predicted something like this would be the ability to see into the future.

alby · 12-01-2008, 11:01 AM

Stay away from the market!