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MX425 · 03-05-2009, 05:47 PM

His reality show just got a lot more interesting or way more boring. I don't know which one it will be yet

Windmill360 · 03-05-2009, 05:48 PM

Once next season is over, Romo will be kicked out as well. The media monkey won't have any back to hang onto now so they will pick apart Romo.

Underdog · 03-05-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Once next season is over, Romo will be Super Bowl MVP. The media monkey won't have any back to hang onto now so they will worship Romo.

fixed.

DirkFTW · 03-05-2009, 06:30 PM

MavsX · 03-05-2009, 09:30 PM

ha

horse900703 · 03-05-2009, 10:35 PM

no T.O.

TheMaverick · 03-05-2009, 10:55 PM

So we got the biggest excuse out of Valley Ranch, what's going to happen when people realize we lose games because of Romo.

Windmill360 · 03-05-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

So we got the biggest excuse out of Valley Ranch, what's going to happen when people realize we lose games because of Romo.

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Underdog · 03-05-2009, 11:21 PM

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FINtastic · 03-06-2009, 12:27 AM

We probably should keep in mind that the dude was going to be turning 36 in the middle of next year. He's kinda getting up there in years and probably due for a drop off anyways. To be honest, it kinda looked like he was starting to drop off last year.

Ninkobei · 03-06-2009, 08:38 AM

still seems like a waste of money to release T.O. - I mean, even in his worst condition he's the most talented WR on the team. Why make the team worse for no benefit? unless TO planned on holding out next season for a new contract, this was a bad move. The cowboys will not be a better team without T.O.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

still seems like a waste of money to release T.O. - I mean, even in his worst condition he's the most talented WR on the team. Why make the team worse for no benefit? unless TO planned on holding out next season for a new contract, this was a bad move. The cowboys will not be a better team without T.O.

I beg to differ...

1) T.O. is only one player - now the Cowboys are free to use ALL their offensive weapons rather than having to "feed the beast" so he doesn't mutiny against the coaching staff...

2) As a result, we can finally set up the passing game with the run, rather than the other way around (which didn't make sense...)

3) Tony Romo is the indisputable leader of our team - he can concentrate more on winning now that he doesn't need to worry about catering to a diva...

4) Roy Williams is a better WR than T.O. at this point in their careers - this season will prove it (don't judge too harshly on last season's performance - he and Romo never got their timing down because Romo was coming off an injury and was more concerned with making up for lost games than trying to develop chemistry with the new guy... Plus, Kitna should help in that regard...)

5) The circus is over (at least by Cowboys standards...)

EDIT: also, did anyone notice that Torry Holt decided to test the market just hours after T.O. was cut? Stay tuned...

jthig32 · 03-06-2009, 10:20 AM

UD....I like you. So don't take this too personally...but are you like the biggest Cowboy shill?

Weren't you and I arguing over TO earlier in the season? Weren't you claiming the the problems were overblown by the media?

I dunno, you seemed like a huge TO supporter up until the point when they released him, at which point you start pointing out all of the problems with TO.

For the record I was tired of TO's act but I think this is a band aid on a gaping wound. That locker room will never be right until a coach the team respects is put in place.

Male30Dan · 03-06-2009, 10:52 AM

I have been unable to gather enough energy to post after yesterday's TO news, but then that black hole Williams was cut and my energy returned just a bit. Still, big mistake in my honest opinion. This hurts our chances next year. I hope I am proven wrong and they sign another WR, (Holt), but I doubt I will be. This is definitely a blow to that Bon Jovi KEEP THE FAITH post...

Eh well, it is what it is. No excuses anymore for Jason that is for sure...

Dtownsfinest · 03-06-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I beg to differ...

1) T.O. is only one player - now the Cowboys are free to use ALL their offensive weapons rather than having to "feed the beast" so he doesn't mutiny against the coaching staff...

2) As a result, we can finally set up the passing game with the run, rather than the other way around (which didn't make sense...)

3) Tony Romo is the indisputable leader of our team - he can concentrate more on winning now that he doesn't need to worry about catering to a diva...

4) Roy Williams is a better WR than T.O. at this point in their careers - this season will prove it (don't judge too harshly on last season's performance - he and Romo never got their timing down because Romo was coming off an injury and was more concerned with making up for lost games than trying to develop chemistry with the new guy... Plus, Kitna should help in that regard...)

5) The circus is over (at least by Cowboys standards...)

EDIT: also, did anyone notice that Torry Holt decided to test the market just hours after T.O. was cut? Stay tuned...

1. "Feeding the beast" won us games though. And I expect the same sort of treatment from Roy Williams. Roy is gonna scream for the football. Hell he did it in Detroit. ITs not going to change because receivers want the ball and if he didn't i'd be worried.
2. There was no problem being pass first in the 13-3 season. It was our best season.
3. How can Romo be a leader when he's MIA when the clutch comes around? If Romo was a leader this locker room wouldn't be what it is right now. He's the quarterback. Not the leader. Leaders don't go into press conferences defeated and nonchalant after a 44-6 ass wooping.
4. Roy is a better receiver than TO? What proof is there? I'd like to think he is but there is absolutely no proof of this. Especially last season when he was giving up on routes and hell not even running the right routes. Timing was a problem but timing has nothing to do with not running routes. It doesn't.
5) The circus is never over. Not at Valley Ranch. There' sa reason why media reporters around the country camp out there.

As far as Holt is concerned, i'd honestly rather see what Hurd and Austin can do. If Austin develops into the player we think he is he should be our #2 next season. Crayton at the #2 or #3 is fine.

I think my whole problem with the TO release is the timing. Why wait until after TJ Houshmanzadah is signed to cut him? If your going to get rid of him fine. But atleast have his replacement. Hopefully now we'll just stick to the running game with Choice, Barber and Felix. I hope we live and die by it because with these receivers we shouldn't depend on the passing game at all.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

UD....I like you. So don't take this too personally...but are you like the biggest Cowboy shill?

Weren't you and I arguing over TO earlier in the season? Weren't you claiming the the problems were overblown by the media?

I dunno, you seemed like a huge TO supporter up until the point when they released him, at which point you start pointing out all of the problems with TO.

For the record I was tired of TO's act but I think this is a band aid on a gaping wound. That locker room will never be right until a coach the team respects is put in place.

Oh, I can name a list of reasons to keep T.O. too... That's the thing about him - for every good thing he brings to the table, he brings something bad... At the end of the day you need to measure risk vs. reward and obviously the front office decided that the risk finally out-weighed the reward...

I'm simply operating from the viewpoint of the common fan with NO inside knowledge beyond what the media tells me - the management's decision to cut ties with T.O. answered a lot of questions and changed my perception of the situation (I formulate opinions based on the information available and new information was presented, therefore my opinion changed...)

Ummmmm Ok · 03-06-2009, 11:37 AM

I have been drooling over this guy since the bowl(s). I hope like hell he drops down this far. I am afraid he won't though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aMQ2R7dYQ

Dallas Cowboys: Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina

Major steal here. We saw many receivers fall last year, and the same thing may happen come April.

Terrell Owens has been cut, leaving the Cowboys with a void across from Roy Williams, who was really ineffective last year. Tony Romo needs help at wideout. Romo also needs help at head coach, but Jerry Jones foolishly refused to fire the Human Turkey Neck.

alexamenos · 03-06-2009, 11:57 AM

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I have been drooling over this guy.....

the one in the blue or the one in the red?

(sorry, to nice of a setup to pass)

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

1. "Feeding the beast" won us games though. And I expect the same sort of treatment from Roy Williams. Roy is gonna scream for the football. Hell he did it in Detroit. ITs not going to change because receivers want the ball and if he didn't i'd be worried.
2. There was no problem being pass first in the 13-3 season. It was our best season.
3. How can Romo be a leader when he's MIA when the clutch comes around? If Romo was a leader this locker room wouldn't be what it is right now. He's the quarterback. Not the leader. Leaders don't go into press conferences defeated and nonchalant after a 44-6 ass wooping.
4. Roy is a better receiver than TO? What proof is there? I'd like to think he is but there is absolutely no proof of this. Especially last season when he was giving up on routes and hell not even running the right routes. Timing was a problem but timing has nothing to do with not running routes. It doesn't.
5) The circus is never over. Not at Valley Ranch. There' sa reason why media reporters around the country camp out there.

As far as Holt is concerned, i'd honestly rather see what Hurd and Austin can do. If Austin develops into the player we think he is he should be our #2 next season. Crayton at the #2 or #3 is fine.

I think my whole problem with the TO release is the timing. Why wait until after TJ Houshmanzadah is signed to cut him? If your going to get rid of him fine. But atleast have his replacement. Hopefully now we'll just stick to the running game with Choice, Barber and Felix. I hope we live and die by it because with these receivers we shouldn't depend on the passing game at all.

1) "Feeding the beast" only won us 9 out of 16 games last year and created a rift between T.O. and Romo/Witten... Oh, and Roy never made a peep in Detroit until it was clear that they were going to tank another season (and who could blame him at that point?)

2) There was no problem being "pass first" when T.O. could get off the line without being jammed, but he couldn't last season, nor could he beat the double teams like he could in our 13-3 season... Now I agree that Roy Williams should have helped take the pressure off, so that's not entirely T.O.'s fault, but how much more of a step will Owens lose THIS season?

3) Why is all the blame being dumped on Romo all of a sudden? Wasn't he the primary reason for our 13-3 season and T.O.'s success in Dallas? Seems like a double-standard here...

4) Look at the numbers Roy Williams put up in Detroit... DETROIT!!! For as good as Kitna has been for them (when he's actually playing), he's still no Tony Romo or Donovan McNabb... I've been following Williams since he was in high school - he may never peak-out as high as Owens, but right now he's the better player (his game is almost identical to T.O. except he's 8 years younger...)

5) Of course the circus is never over - that's why I said "by Cowboys standards"...

6) You obviously haven't watched Torry Holt - he's still one of the best players in the league at running routes and probably the only guy who doesn't give himself away while doing it (he can run through a cut without altering his body...)

TheMaverick · 03-06-2009, 12:00 PM

We don't have the assets to trade up for Nicks.

Ummmmm Ok · 03-06-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

the one in the blue or the one in the red?

(sorry, to nice of a setup to pass)

yea, you got me

mcsluggo · 03-06-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsX

the media sucks balls

more specifically stephen a. smith sucks balls

are your balls feeling a little left out....?

Dirkgreatness · 03-06-2009, 01:54 PM

So our best receivers are now R.Williams, Crayton, Austin, and Hurd in that order. Those guys are ok but its nothing that would scare me if i were the other teams. I'm curious about how much Miles has improved though because he has shown a lot of promise.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 02:13 PM

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I'm curious about how much Miles has improved though because he has shown a lot of promise.

I'm eager to see Miles Austin grow into the next Terry Glenn (the Keyshawn backup, not the micro-surgery candidate...)

alexamenos · 03-06-2009, 02:45 PM

The cowboys have to be a very good running team next year and they have the horses to do it.

If cutting Terrell restores some sanity and cohesiveness, and promotes a bit more of a team approach to offensive football, then I don't think they'll be any worse off. They may not be the high-flying team they were in Sept-Nov of the last couple of seasons but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they're not going to be be any worse in December and January than they've been the last couple of seasons.

TheMaverick · 03-06-2009, 03:01 PM

Miles Austin is not a Terry Glenn. His body type is very similar to TO's. If you are looking for Terry Glenn, look at P. Crayton.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 03:20 PM

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Miles Austin is not a Terry Glenn. His body type is very similar to TO's. If you are looking for Terry Glenn, look at P. Crayton.

Austin & Glenn are/were both speedsters who can streak quickly for the deep pass - I'm referring more to his function than his body type...

TheMaverick · 03-06-2009, 03:30 PM

Austin has been running fly patterns because we've had TO on the team. If you study the film and look at Miles's history, he is a TO-type to the T.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

Austin has been running fly patterns because we've had TO on the team. If you study the film and look at Miles's history, he is a TO-type to the T.

Do you have some film I can watch?

I have to admit that I never watched Miles before he was on the Cowboys, so I'm not sure what his game is like without T.O. on the field...

TheMaverick · 03-06-2009, 03:35 PM

www.cowboyszone.com

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 03:38 PM

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www.cowboyszone.com

I was hoping for something a little more exclusive...

(seriously - I'd LOVE to watch the same film the players watch...)

TheMaverick · 03-06-2009, 03:40 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/29607.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2006&genpos=WR
http://foxsports.foxnews.com/other/s...-Draft-Profile

the third link has pretty good information.

MX425 · 03-06-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/29607.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2006&genpos=WR
http://foxsports.foxnews.com/other/s...-Draft-Profile

the third link has pretty good information.

unreleated question: do you work, you joined last month and are already at 400 posts. damn impresssive

DirkFTW · 03-06-2009, 05:01 PM

Someone's envious of TheMaverick's post...

...count.

u2sarajevo · 03-06-2009, 05:10 PM

If getting rid of TO causes us to become playoff participants again I'm all for it.

But honestly. Roy Williams has shown us NOTHING. The risk is pretty great on this one in my opinion.

Something seems a bit off about Crayton to me. Not sure what it is, but he seems a bit full of himself but doesn't back it up. Now's your time though dude. It's time to put up. I don't see any excuses for you now.

Miles.... I had good feelings about you this year. Please don't disappoint.

Romo - This offense is solely yours now. No sharing the leadership anymore. (you are reading this, right?)

Dtownsfinest · 03-06-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

1) "Feeding the beast" only won us 9 out of 16 games last year and created a rift between T.O. and Romo/Witten... Oh, and Roy never made a peep in Detroit until it was clear that they were going to tank another season (and who could blame him at that point?)

2) There was no problem being "pass first" when T.O. could get off the line without being jammed, but he couldn't last season, nor could he beat the double teams like he could in our 13-3 season... Now I agree that Roy Williams should have helped take the pressure off, so that's not entirely T.O.'s fault, but how much more of a step will Owens lose THIS season?

3) Why is all the blame being dumped on Romo all of a sudden? Wasn't he the primary reason for our 13-3 season and T.O.'s success in Dallas? Seems like a double-standard here...

4) Look at the numbers Roy Williams put up in Detroit... DETROIT!!! For as good as Kitna has been for them (when he's actually playing), he's still no Tony Romo or Donovan McNabb... I've been following Williams since he was in high school - he may never peak-out as high as Owens, but right now he's the better player (his game is almost identical to T.O. except he's 8 years younger...)

5) Of course the circus is never over - that's why I said "by Cowboys standards"...

6) You obviously haven't watched Torry Holt - he's still one of the best players in the league at running routes and probably the only guy who doesn't give himself away while doing it (he can run through a cut without altering his body...)

1) Anytime I can have a receiver win me 9 games in a season i'll take it any day of the week. The only thing that created a rift between TO and Romo is the losses. If Romo never gets hurt there's no "rift". As far as Roy goes, he was complaining here in Dallas as well about balls not coming his way. He complained in Detroit when he was dropping balls and now he's complaining in Dallas when he doesn't run routes.
2) There wasn't much difference between TO last season and the 13-3 season. The only difference is the Cowboys stopped running TO in motion as if they wanted to see him fail. Why? I don't know. But he's never been a physical receiver. He's always stayed away from contact.
3) I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't blaiming Romo for anything. You brought up Romo needs to be a leader and I don't feel he is and never will be. Its just not in him. Which is fine. Its hard to follow the lead of a player who's so nonchalant as he is and after a loss gives the "Its just one game" speech. As far as Romo being the reason for TO's success I think they go hand in hand. Romo was great for TO and TO was great for Romo. TO was a beast before he came to Dallas and Garcia and McNabb had their best years when they were throwing to TO.

4)I don't really care what Roy did in Detroit. I think he's a great receiver. I think he's one of the best in the league. But that doesn't mean he is for the simple fact he hasn't shown it. Just because Roy was a Pro Bowler 3 years ago doesn't mean he's one now is all i'm saying. Especially in football where all it takes is one injury for your career to be done. Roy may never be as good as he once was. He maybe better than he once was. You just don't know.

6) Your right I haven't watched Holt but I don't care. I'd rather see what we have in Austin and Hurd and use that money to get some help in the secondary and offensive line. At some point we have to see what Stanback, Hurd and Austin has and with TO's departure i'd like to think that will happen now. Bringing in a aging receiver after you just got rid of one will just slow their progress down. I don't want Marvin Harrison either. Now if there's a freak like Anquan Boldin out there then i'm all for it.

alexamenos · 03-06-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Do you have some film I can watch?

you guys should really be communicating via private mail.

Underdog · 03-06-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

1) Anytime I can have a receiver win me 9 games in a season i'll take it any day of the week. The only thing that created a rift between TO and Romo is the losses. If Romo never gets hurt there's no "rift". As far as Roy goes, he was complaining here in Dallas as well about balls not coming his way. He complained in Detroit when he was dropping balls and now he's complaining in Dallas when he doesn't run routes.
2) There wasn't much difference between TO last season and the 13-3 season. The only difference is the Cowboys stopped running TO in motion as if they wanted to see him fail. Why? I don't know. But he's never been a physical receiver. He's always stayed away from contact.
3) I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't blaiming Romo for anything. You brought up Romo needs to be a leader and I don't feel he is and never will be. Its just not in him. Which is fine. Its hard to follow the lead of a player who's so nonchalant as he is and after a loss gives the "Its just one game" speech. As far as Romo being the reason for TO's success I think they go hand in hand. Romo was great for TO and TO was great for Romo. TO was a beast before he came to Dallas and Garcia and McNabb had their best years when they were throwing to TO.

4)I don't really care what Roy did in Detroit. I think he's a great receiver. I think he's one of the best in the league. But that doesn't mean he is for the simple fact he hasn't shown it. Just because Roy was a Pro Bowler 3 years ago doesn't mean he's one now is all i'm saying. Especially in football where all it takes is one injury for your career to be done. Roy may never be as good as he once was. He maybe better than he once was. You just don't know.

6) Your right I haven't watched Holt but I don't care. I'd rather see what we have in Austin and Hurd and use that money to get some help in the secondary and offensive line. At some point we have to see what Stanback, Hurd and Austin has and with TO's departure i'd like to think that will happen now. Bringing in a aging receiver after you just got rid of one will just slow their progress down. I don't want Marvin Harrison either. Now if there's a freak like Anquan Boldin out there then i'm all for it.

Obviously you & I have some fundamental differences about how we perceive the Cowboys...

The bolded parts pretty much negate any rebuttal I can come up with, so why bother? If you don't care, then nothing I say will change your opinion...

chumdawg · 03-06-2009, 06:24 PM

Next year we are going to witness the unleashing of the great Isiah Stanback!

jthig32 · 03-06-2009, 06:43 PM

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Next year we are going to witness the unleashing of the great Isiah Stanback!

If by "unleasing" you mean "releasing", I agree.