This Season's Roster Outlook

[Underdog]

Marc Gasol Expected To Receive Free Agency Pitch From Spurs, Lakers, Knicks, Mavs

I don't see any reason why he'd leave Memphis, but he's easily the best FA on the market, so you gotta make a pitch...

[rimrocker]

I hope the Mavs don't waste too much time chasing Gasol while letting others get away.
Would still focus on Jordan with Chandler being the backup plan.

My guess is the FO is thinking the Rondo issue, along with Parsons' injury, were the reasons we didn't advance in the POs and will bring everyone back. I'm assuming they will address PG with our draft pick one way or another.

[markus1234]

If they bring everyone back, we won't make the playoffs next year....

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by markus1234

If they bring everyone back, we won't make the playoffs next year....

I agree with you but I have a feeling the Mavs' FO doesn't.

[purplefrog]

Reports suggest that Jordan will be looking for a max contract. I'm curious as to what Tyson's price tag will be. Any guesses? I think he made $15M last season. Does he sign for about the same? Less? More? If he was willing to sign with the Mavs for $10-12M per year how would that change your view of Chandler vs. Jordan?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Reports suggest that Jordan will be looking for a max contract. I'm curious as to what Tyson's price tag will be. Any guesses? I think he made $15M last season. Does he sign for about the same? Less? More? If he was willing to sign with the Mavs for $10-12M per year how would that change your view of Chandler vs. Jordan?

A someone pointed out earlier if you re-sign Tyson for 10-12 you're going to have to spend more for a backup. Tyson ideally would play around 25-28 minutes per night. Not to mention the occasional, inevitable TC injury necessitates a better backup. DeAndre Jordan has younger legs and a lot less mileage.

The other factor is league perception free- agent wise. Guys are more likely to want to come play with a young star like DeAndre- just as that factored into the teams pursuit of Parsons as well.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by mac222b

A someone pointed out earlier if you re-sign Tyson for 10-12 you're going to have to spend more for a backup. Tyson ideally would play around 25-28 minutes per night. Not to mention the occasional, inevitable TC injury necessitates a better backup. DeAndre Jordan has younger legs and a lot less mileage.

The other factor is league perception free- agent wise. Guys are more likely to want to come play with a young star like DeAndre- just as that factored into the teams pursuit of Parsons as well.

Or Donnie can find a way trading up for the best center in the draft. Bring Amare back if he can agree for a lower contract. That way it leaves the option to make an offer to Aldridge.

[bobatundi]

Knicks are allegedly open to trading the #4 pick. I wonder if they'd be stupid enough to take a S&T Rondo/Ellis/future #1/etc. for that pick? Pipe dream, I know...

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Knicks are allegedly open to trading the #4 pick. I wonder if they'd be stupid enough to take a S&T Rondo/Ellis/future #1/etc. for that pick? Pipe dream, I know...

We'd trade Rondo, Ellis, and a future first for a borderline star?

I know Rondo is almost a negative asset, but that's rough particularly because other than Cauley-Stein, there aren't many guys who are going to be big in the next year while Dirk is still a borderline starter. It may be a good deal long term, but in the Dirk years, that's a pretty big step back.

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. I don't think we can trade a first while our first is still in the air.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Knicks are allegedly open to trading the #4 pick. I wonder if they'd be stupid enough to take a S&T Rondo/Ellis/future #1/etc. for that pick? Pipe dream, I know...

Add the draft picks Mavs have. Think it's 2.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Reports suggest that Jordan will be looking for a max contract. I'm curious as to what Tyson's price tag will be. Any guesses? I think he made $15M last season. Does he sign for about the same? Less? More? If he was willing to sign with the Mavs for $10-12M per year how would that change your view of Chandler vs. Jordan?

It seems it would be beneficial to both teams for a S&T of both Chandler and Jordan. Clips are in more of a win-now mode and could use more veteran leadership and the Mavs should be retooling with younger players. Mavs have the cap space to make up for any imbalances of salaries.

Just seems to make logical sense...am I missing something?

[rimrocker]

What do you all think of Khris Middleton?
I don't know anything about him but a bleacherreport article mentioned him as a potential target for the Mavs.
He's only 23 with good size 6'7" for SG and seems to have a pretty decent upside from what little I've read about him.
Sort of sounds like an Eddie Jones type player.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-nba-offseason

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

What do you all think of Khris Middleton?
I don't know anything about him but a bleacherreport article mentioned him as a potential target for the Mavs.
He's only 23 with good size 6'7" for SG and seems to have a pretty decent upside from what little I've read about him.
Sort of sounds like an Eddie Jones type player.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-nba-offseason

He's a really good player that I can't imagine Milwaukee would let go. He fits what they're trying to built perfectly.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyway, it doesn't matter much. I don't think we can trade a first while our first is still in the air.

Can we trade our pick on draft night...basically pick for another team and then make a trade?

Not sure how that works.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Can we trade our pick on draft night...basically pick for another team and then make a trade?

Not sure how that works.

Yes absolutely.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

What do you all think of Khris Middleton?
I don't know anything about him but a bleacherreport article mentioned him as a potential target for the Mavs.
He's only 23 with good size 6'7" for SG and seems to have a pretty decent upside from what little I've read about him.
Sort of sounds like an Eddie Jones type player.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-nba-offseason

Bucks will likely match any offer. Within reason

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

It seems it would be beneficial to both teams for a S&T of both Chandler and Jordan. Clips are in more of a win-now mode and could use more veteran leadership and the Mavs should be retooling with younger players. Mavs have the cap space to make up for any imbalances of salaries.

Just seems to make logical sense...am I missing something?

That's an angle that's being discussed, to some extent.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's an angle that's being discussed, to some extent.

[bilease]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

It seems it would be beneficial to both teams for a S&T of both Chandler and Jordan. Clips are in more of a win-now mode and could use more veteran leadership and the Mavs should be retooling with younger players. Mavs have the cap space to make up for any imbalances of salaries.

Just seems to make logical sense...am I missing something?

In my opinion the starting center position was pretty much our least problem last year, before the injury in February Tyson played even better than in 2011. Sure if someone like Jordan is available you have to make an approach, but I would just hate if they focus too much on Jordan and end up without either one of them... If its not happening, try to sign Chandler asap and move on. Also, I'd hate to see Tyson walk away again after a single season. Really like his attitude and effort even when it doesnt pay off sometimes.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by bilease

In my opinion the starting center position was pretty much our least problem last year, before the injury in February Tyson played even better than in 2011. Sure if someone like Jordan is available you have to make an approach, but I would just hate if they focus too much on Jordan and end up without either one of them... If its not happening, try to sign Chandler asap and move on. Also, I'd hate to see Tyson walk away again after a single season. Really like his attitude and effort even when it doesnt pay off sometimes.

I understand your point and I'd hate to lose out on both of them too but I'm concerned that our biggest moves this off season will be resigning Chandler and Ellis and that simply won't be enough. I have faith that Donnie will be able to upgrade the PG position but how much of an upgrade will be key.
In the mean time we get older with longer contracts.

My thoughts are that if Ellis opts in I'm fully on board with signing Chandler to a 2 or 3 yr deal within reason because he will probably be easy to move after next season. I don't want the FO to give Ellis a long-term deal that we will be stuck with or will require other valuable assets to move him.

Cuban simply won't rebuild from scratch but landing a guy like Jordan at age 26 is a good way to rejuvenate this team while remaining competitive. Plus Jordan is more apt to draw the interest of FAs than aging Tyson, Ellis and Dirk will.
I thought Tyson looked exhausted in the POs.

[Robillion]

This FO has proven they like (and are pretty good at) building teams through trade and free agency, and are not that great at the draft.

With that said, I am mostly interested in "rebuilding" now and establishing our new foundational pieces. But, rebuilding will look different for us than it does for most other teams. We have assets right now, so we'll probably do it through what we know best (vs the tanking and aiming to rebuild through the draft).

For the future foundation we have... Parsons. Hopefully we will also have Aminu. That's it right now. Dirk is out in a few years, the other players are getting older or are expendable.

We need to use the assets we have now to bring in a few more foundational pieces. Even if that risks us losing out on someone who is as talented as Chandler. It's risky making it known that he isn't our #1 choice and that if we do keep him it would be at a discount, but it's reality, and I am sure he "gets" it. If he really likes being with the Mavs, he'll hang tight while we are figuring this out. If he wants more money or security, he'll be leaving. Either way, I'm sure he is going to talk to anyone that is interested in him to have options regardless.

Seems to me though that if Chandler wasn't going to be with the Mavs, the Clippers with his ol'pal Chris Paul would be pretty much the next best option out there. They'd still be a great team. If the Clippers lose Jordan, Chandler would probably be their next best option available to them as well. I am assuming Chandler could get more money from the Clippers via sign and trade of Jordan on a max contract, than on the open market. So, it makes a lot of sense (at least in my mind.)

[BPo001]

Not that this means anything, but I guess you could call it news...

Q: Any chance the Lakers trade for Ty Lawson maybe that other 1st round pick? Steve Kyler: From my understanding Lawson has eyes for the Mavs and its mutual. We'll see what Denver does. Twitter @stevekylerNBA
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[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by Robillion

This FO has proven they like (and are pretty good at) building teams through trade and free agency, and are not that great at the draft.

With that said, I am mostly interested in "rebuilding" now and establishing our new foundational pieces. But, rebuilding will look different for us than it does for most other teams. We have assets right now, so we'll probably do it through what we know best (vs the tanking and aiming to rebuild through the draft).

What assets? Dirk, Felton, and Parsons about the only players under contract, and we won't trade Parsons or Dirk, and can't trade Felton except as giveaway (although I actually think he would play pretty well...note how he played in key stretches late season).

I hadn't thought of Rondo in a sign and trade, as I had just written him off, but if Mavs can get anything out of him, that would be fantastic! But teams know he's gone already, so they won't likely offer that much.

Which brings us back to the question: what assets do the Mavs have?

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

What assets? Dirk, Felton, and Parsons about the only players under contract, and we won't trade Parsons or Dirk, and can't trade Felton except as giveaway (although I actually think he would play pretty well...note how he played in key stretches late season).

I hadn't thought of Rondo in a sign and trade, as I had just written him off, but if Mavs can get anything out of him, that would be fantastic! But teams know he's gone already, so they won't likely offer that much.

Which brings us back to the question: what assets do the Mavs have?

I don't see many assets but we do have some cap space. I think robillion might be thinking more about opportunity than actual current assets.
For instance...if we could somehow sign Jordan and Middleton or Green and then trade for Lawson that would be a pretty decent young core to develop while remaining competitive.

Lawson/Barea
Middleton/Lamb?
Parsons/Aminu
Dirk/Powell
Jordan/?/Sarge

Probably a reach (especially Middleton) but I'd much rather go with upside youth than fight for the 7th or 8th seed with several core members in their 30s.

[sefant77]

To sign Jordan and one of Middleton/Green you need 30m cap space...

Jordan 15m

Middleton is going to get 15m and the Bucks probably match anyway (RFA). Green is one of the rare and high valued 3 & D guys. He is going home with at least 12m. Teams are going to pre-spend the 25% cap raise..

Hell Aminu is going to get probably 6-7m a year offers...

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sefant77

To sign Jordan and one of Middleton/Green you need 30m cap space...

Jordan 15m

Middleton is going to get 15m and the Bucks probably match anyway (RFA). Green is one of the rare and high valued 3 & D guys. He is going home with at least 12m. Teams are going to pre-spend the 25% cap raise..

Hell Aminu is going to get probably 6-7m a year offers...

I'd settle for Afflalo if Ellis opts out...wonder what it would take to sign him.
I still think we can get Aminu for MLE if we even have it this season.

I thought we would be close to $30mil of cap space if Ellis opts out.

[Robillion]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

..I think robillion might be thinking more about opportunity than actual current assets...

Yup.

Basically, we have decision points right now. With only a few people under contract. We have the opportunity to try to retain some over others, we have capspace to attract free agents, we actually do have a few pieces that could make sense for sign and trade deals (Chandler, Rondo, Monta).

My hope is that we use this opportunity to build more for the future, acquiring foundational pieces that we intend on keeping for awhile. I'm tired of these 1 year deal, thrown together Mavs teams. It hasn't been working.

[spreedom]

I will say one thing... if Jason Terry decides to play beyond this season and is available for the league minimum or close to it, I really hope he comes home.

[Dirk4Mavs]

I wish I could make a defensive team ..

re-sign with monta I not like this ..

Point Guard.. assister and operates the team and a good defensive

Shooting Garde .. our man in Perimeter defense

re-sign Chandler or Gordon


Ellis will make us weak defensive and offensive individual . I do not like this


PG : lawson - teague - .....etc / barea / felton

SG : middlelton - green - mathews / harris

SF : Parson / Aminu / RJ

PF : Dirk / ???? / Aminu

C : TC - DJ / Wright

[Bryan_Wilson]

I just don't see rondo as a SnT asset. SnT contracts have to be, at minimum, 3 years I thought. Who would give Rondo a 3 year deal now? Why would Rondo take a 3 year deal? The cap is going up in a year. He could sign a prove it 1 year deal and benefit greatly.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by Robillion

Yup.

Basically, we have decision points right now. With only a few people under contract. We have the opportunity to try to retain some over others, we have capspace to attract free agents, we actually do have a few pieces that could make sense for sign and trade deals (Chandler, Rondo, Monta).

I hadn't really thought much about S&T possibilities, perhaps the Mavs can make something out of that...although they would have little leverage since those players would become FA's very shortly. But better to have someone under your control than have them hit the free market, so who knows?

The problem, though, is that simply replacing those that aren't under contract will be challenging enough. The Mavs have shown the ability to fill out a roster with 'leftovers', and do pretty well at it. But with so little under contract, it will be hard to attract any marquee FA's, so S&T makes sense.

The one plus we might have in our favor for DeAndre Jordan is that he would be The Man here, and just a key piece elsewhere. That may resonate with him.

[beatLA]

I moved from China to Canada (near toronto) this year. Finally I'm going to a game! Looking forward to the release of game schedule so that I can book a ticket for DAL @ TOR. Good thing Dirk is still out there playing.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's an angle that's being discussed, to some extent.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...d-trade-places

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I will say one thing... if Jason Terry decides to play beyond this season and is available for the league minimum or close to it, I really hope he comes home.

Oh and speaking of Rockets I secretly want to play for the Mavs, if for some reason the Rockets hit the eject button on Dwight (Hack-A-Dwight, injuries, age, big contract), I would absolutely love if we could land him in some sort of sign-and-trade scenario if the Rockets are chasing after DAJ.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Oh and speaking of Rockets I secretly want to play for the Mavs, if for some reason the Rockets hit the eject button on Dwight (Hack-A-Dwight, injuries, age, big contract), I would absolutely love if we could land him in some sort of sign-and-trade scenario if the Rockets are chasing after DAJ.

Ew, no.

He isn't that great, he's as smart as a bag of hammers, and he isn't good for chemistry. I'd rather have Chandler.

[spreedom]

We obviously totally disagree on Dwight, that's cool.

[yahyes]

Keep Tyson. See what Aldrige is looking for. Then try SnT Ellis to Memphis for Tony Allen. Which is an option I can see.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Keep Tyson. See what Aldrige is looking for. Then try SnT Ellis to Memphis for Tony Allen. Which is an option I can see.

Aldridge is still a long shot.

Why would Memphis do that? It's not like Ellis dramatically improves their perimeter shooting, which is what they'd be looking for offensively.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...d-trade-places

I see clippers REALLY benefiting from getting TC. Leadership and locker room guy.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Aldridge is still a long shot.

Why would Memphis do that? It's not like Ellis dramatically improves their perimeter shooting, which is what they'd be looking for offensively.

Mavs have cap to give Aldridge the right deal for a long term. Especially being alongside Parsons and Dirk as 6th man. The sign and trade Ellis for Tony Allen is something front office can try out. Memphis needs a scorer. Plus can match what Tony Allen's contract is like. And I would like Allen here as SG. If Aldridge agrees.