Rodrigue Beaubois development thread - Page 60 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

RareMilk · 03-08-2012, 11:02 AM

I just realized Roddy has a ring haha that's awesome

b_o_r · 03-09-2012, 12:51 AM

worse game ever

mavsfan1000 · 03-09-2012, 01:03 AM

That goes for everyone in that second half.

CadBane · 03-09-2012, 01:29 AM

I wish we had traded this guy when people actually would give up something for him.

xrobx · 03-09-2012, 01:35 AM

it's amazing that he's developed from a 13th man DNP-CD guy, to THE GUY on this team who gets the clutch shots in just a matter of weeks

adonis · 03-09-2012, 01:41 AM

Roddy has little trade value now. I doubt we could get anything more than a Redick-like player for him. Which is sad. Nobody wants his stupid decision making.

I'd do a trade for Redick honestly. A guy that we could actually rely on to make shots while Dirk is doubled.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-09-2012, 01:47 AM

Injuries have obviously been a large reason that he's not progressed, but those happen. What's scary is he's actually regressed.

He's never been able to develop PG skills. He has no ability to get Dirk the ball in his spot. He has quickness but really doesn't penetrate the defense as often as you'd expect.

He's also lost the ability to shoot the ball well. I have no idea what happened here but his shot making ability is toast.

He has great wing span which can disrupt smaller guards, and he does pretty decently at defending quick guards. But he has no ability to defend bigger bodies because of his skinny frame. What we saw tonight was him being completely dismantled by bigger men when he switched the pick and roll.

I think when we envisioned what Roddy could become back when he put up that 40 point game against GS, this is probably the worst case scenario.

He's been injury plagued, his game has regressed, and he's lost most of his trade value. Ouch.

clutch#41 · 03-09-2012, 01:54 AM

if roddy were to drive the ball 90% of the time rather than shoot 3's the mavs would probably have 3-5 more wins than they do now.

jthig32 · 03-09-2012, 01:56 AM

This is weird, because I'm not really a huge Roddy fan, but why are people knee jerking this badly?

The guy had two really nice games the first week of March, and he played some hellacious defense against OKC. Playing PG next to Jet is a whole different animal than playing SG next to Kidd.

j0Shi · 03-09-2012, 02:53 AM

So much depending on West that it isn't funny anymore. Roddy is clearly up and down offensively, with West Mavs can manage Roddy's minutes, play him a little bit more when he's hot, sit him a little bit more when he's not.

markus1234 · 03-09-2012, 03:18 AM

Could we please ban the word "knee jerking" ?

That's the most annoying accusation ever. Coaches, players (and FANS should have the damn right to !) judge FROM GAME TO GAME...no matter if in positive or negative way.

Underdog · 03-09-2012, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Could we please ban the word "knee jerking" ?

That's the most annoying accusation ever. Coaches, players (and FANS should have the damn right to !) judge FROM GAME TO GAME...no matter if in positive or negative way.

Yeah, but when you take the game-to-game trends and apply it to a player as a WHOLE, then you're knee-jerking...

Budapest Maverick · 03-09-2012, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Could we please ban the word "knee jerking" ?

That's the most annoying accusation ever. Coaches, players (and FANS should have the damn right to !) judge FROM GAME TO GAME...no matter if in positive or negative way.

Yes, coaches always say in the media how a player turned into absolute garbage after an off-game. I hear it all the time, and they never play them again. Roddy took his first game tying/winning attempt of his career, a shot that probably has a 40% completion rate in the league even from the star players, and he missed it. How could he miss it? You guys are ridiculous.

Budapest Maverick · 03-09-2012, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

if roddy were to drive the ball 90% of the time rather than shoot 3's the mavs would probably have 3-5 more wins than they do now.

Sorry, but how the f is he supposed to drive the ball, when the Suns is packing the paint like crazy? How? And no, if Roddy would always drive the ball, he would average 5 turnovers per game. He needs to take, and make some jumpshots, to open up the lane, is it really that hard to understand? The kid is only taking good shots, open three pointers, open pull ups. He had an off shooting night, it happens, right?

markus1234 · 03-09-2012, 04:06 AM

My comment was not about Roddy. Roddy is not the reason why we lost.

It is about the direction of our team. We might not even make the playoffs. And that's not knee jerking. That's a legit opinion.

Budapest Maverick · 03-09-2012, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

My comment was not about Roddy. Roddy is not the reason why we lost.

It is about the direction of our team. We might not even make the playoffs. And that's not knee jerking. That's a legit opinion.

Well, the West is crazy, that's for sure, but do you really think, barring a major injury to Dirk, we have a realistic chance to miss it? We have a much better team than the Rockets, and the Jazz. Portland can get on a hot streak, the Nuggets will probably be in, but honestly i don't see how we can miss it. We're as close for being a lock for the 4-7 seeds, as anyone not named OKC and Spurs can be this year in that crazy West, and it's hard for me to see the Grizz marching on to get separation for the 3rd seed. It's wide open, and history says, we're gonna find some form sooner than later.

Corto Maltese · 03-09-2012, 07:12 AM

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Well, the West is crazy, that's for sure, but do you really think, barring a major injury to Dirk, we have a realistic chance to miss it? We have a much better team than the Rockets, and the Jazz. Portland can get on a hot streak, the Nuggets will probably be in, but honestly i don't see how we can miss it. We're as close for being a lock for the 4-7 seeds, as anyone not named OKC and Spurs can be this year in that crazy West, and it's hard for me to see the Grizz marching on to get separation for the 3rd seed. It's wide open, and history says, we're gonna find some form sooner than later.

I agree with markus.
I think (and I hope) the Mavs will qualify to the Playoffs but it will not be simple and the team will have to make a great effort because the 21 last games are just terrible.

21 last games (from San Antonio Saturday 17 to Atlanta April 26th):
12 games away (all against teams with a positive balance except Golden State)
16 games against team with a positive balance (very often in the West)

So the team can go to Playoffs but must win "easy" games like the next four (Sacramento, Golden State, Washington, Charlotte).

dude1394 · 03-09-2012, 08:32 AM

Wrt not making the playoffs, this season is so messed up that it could happen. These guys continue to look tired and they need practice time.

Budapest Maverick · 03-09-2012, 08:45 AM

Yep, checked the schedule (wrote a detailed post about it in the "predict the 9 games in 12 days" thread), it's brutal. Although i still think it won't happen, there is realistic chance (20-25% chance imo) that after so many years, we may miss the playoffs again. We absolutely have to win the next 4 before that ridiculous 12 game stretch.

SeanL · 03-09-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I wish we had traded this guy when people actually would give up something for him.

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dude1394 · 03-09-2012, 03:56 PM

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Yep, checked the schedule (wrote a detailed post about it in the "predict the 9 games in 12 days" thread), it's brutal. Although i still think it won't happen, there is realistic chance (20-25% chance imo) that after so many years, we may miss the playoffs again. We absolutely have to win the next 4 before that ridiculous 12 game stretch.

To be honest I don't care nearly as much about the teams we play (all teams pretty much suck this year) than I do the schedule. IOW..we will not win the next 4 but I won't worry too much about it. This teams bugaboo right now imo is age and tired legs. They look old and tired.

They also are desperate for some practices. Looking at the schedule for the rest of the way they will have the opportunity to practice as wooping 4 times before they get their 4 day break before their last game.

This season really is atrocious.

mavs777 · 03-09-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

My comment was not about Roddy. Roddy is not the reason why we lost.

It is about the direction of our team. We might not even make the playoffs. And that's not knee jerking. That's a legit opinion.

mav's will easily make the playoffs

clutch#41 · 03-10-2012, 01:08 AM

roddy led the team tonight in +,- with +15!!

mavsfan1000 · 03-10-2012, 01:12 AM

1 for 6. It seems like the more Roddy plays, the worse he gets. He does best when he is fresh and gets a lot of shots during practice time. But his decision making should get better the more he plays. He sees what he needs to do well to be successful. Basically it is shooting and pick and roll defense.

adonis · 03-10-2012, 01:50 AM

Roddy is a natural shooter. I think it's clear his basketball IQ and decision making will never improve. For some reason, only players that have high basketball IQ were pretty much born with it. Guys like Kidd came into the league and played the same intelligent way he plays 15 years later.

He is a shooting guard. Plain and simple.

markus1234 · 03-10-2012, 01:54 AM

Roddy is a poor man's Devin Harris.

mavsfan1000 · 03-10-2012, 02:10 AM

I see Roddy as an energy guy and playmaker. Once the energy is gone, his lack of size and strength kills his game. That's why I wasn't happy with Carlisle's plan to have Roddy to keep switching to guard Gortat. That will deplete him quick doing that. He needs to guard point guards and stay on them. Stop switching.

AO41 · 03-10-2012, 04:43 PM

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Roddy is a natural shooter. I think it's clear his basketball IQ and decision making will never improve. For some reason, only players that have high basketball IQ were pretty much born with it. Guys like Kidd came into the league and played the same intelligent way he plays 15 years later.

He is a shooting guard. Plain and simple.

Except that Roddy is really not a great shooter

mavsfan1000 · 03-10-2012, 05:57 PM

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Except that Roddy is really not a great shooter

Give him an offseason to work on that.

JeffViggiano · 03-10-2012, 07:31 PM

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Give him an offseason to work on that.

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mavs777 · 03-10-2012, 09:16 PM

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Except that Roddy is really not a great shooter

He's a very good catch and shoot shooter

dude1394 · 03-10-2012, 09:34 PM

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Give him an offseason to work on that.

Heck, he's had three already.

JET41 · 03-10-2012, 09:37 PM

I still have faith and Roddy and just hope for him to be improving.
It all stars with him, I just hope he goes to the gym daily and do whatever he needs to do to get better and stay consistent when he does great.

mavsfan1000 · 03-10-2012, 09:44 PM

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Heck, he's had three already.

So he was supposed to shoot off one foot the last 2 offseasons?

b_o_r · 03-10-2012, 09:57 PM

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Heck, he's had three already.

He broke his foot the 1st week of August 2010 and didn't start jump shooting until January 2011. He had another surgery the last week of June 2011 and didn't start shooting again until mid November 2011.

Its no coincidence that his free throw percentage, catch and shoot, and no dribble success rate are high because he has spent the last 2 years stuck practicing "set" shots.

dude1394 · 03-10-2012, 10:18 PM

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He broke his foot the 1st week of August 2010 and didn't start jump shooting until January 2011. He had another surgery the last week of June 2011 and didn't start shooting again until mid November 2011.

Its no coincidence that his free throw percentage, catch and shoot, and no dribble success rate are high because he has spent the last 2 years stuck practicing "set" shots.

What was the problem last offseason?

grndmstr_c · 03-10-2012, 10:25 PM

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What was the problem last offseason?

The second surgery.

dude1394 · 03-10-2012, 10:29 PM

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The second surgery.

Really, he had another surgery after the playoff run? He wasn't in a cast during the playoffs.

grndmstr_c · 03-10-2012, 10:39 PM

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Really, he had another surgery after the playoff run? He wasn't in a cast during the playoffs.

Yes. The foot never did heal properly, and after the season they did a second surgery to put in a longer screw. Booby has had precisely one complete, healthy offseason + training camp in the whole of his NBA career, and that was the one before his rookie year.

mavsfan1000 · 03-10-2012, 10:43 PM

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Yes. The foot never did heal properly, and after the season they did a second surgery to put in a longer screw. Booby has had precisely one complete, healthy offseason + training camp in the whole of his NBA career, and that was the one before his rookie year.

Yep his shooting numbers were amazing that year.