The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread

[LonghornDub]

I want thiggy to check in and give us the current Thiggy Deron Williams Optimism Reading after this latest news.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The timeline just doesn't work. It's going to be almost impossible for them to swing a trade for Dwight before Deron wants to make his decision. I guess they could promise him under the table that they're going to get Dwight right around the time Deron re-signs, though.

If they get the #1 pick, and all Orlando cares about is getting that pick plus other future picks (and maybe unloading Hedo/Davis), then they could potentially have the framework of a trade agreed to on draft day.

But if Orlando wants Lopez, or other pieces, it's going to be very difficult.

Holy crap is tonight important.

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I want thiggy to check in and give us the current Thiggy Deron Williams Optimism Reading after this latest news.

I'm pretty darn confident. Even if the Nets get the #1 pick, I think there are scenarios where another team will give Orlando a better package for Howard.

If they don't get the #1 pick, I don't see how they get Howard.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

If they get the #1 pick, and all Orlando cares about is getting that pick plus other future picks (and maybe unloading Hedo/Davis), then they could potentially have the framework of a trade agreed to on draft day.

But if Orlando wants Lopez, or other pieces, it's going to be very difficult.

Holy crap is tonight important.

And when you say "framework," that means they'd have to wait until July to actually sign the dotted line, correct? Because pre-July the Nets have to match salaries, which they can't do?

That's an awful lot to ask. You have to convince Orlando to take only picks with no contributing player, and you have to ask them to agree to do that in July despite the certainty that other tempting offers will probably start pouring in around the same time.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

And when you say "framework," that means they'd have to wait until July to actually sign the dotted line, correct? Because pre-July the Nets have to match salaries, which they can't do?

That's an awful lot to ask. You have to convince Orlando to take only picks with no contributing player, and you have to ask them to agree to do that in July despite the certainty that other tempting offers will probably start pouring in around the same time.

First the Nets have to get picks, then they can start worrying about trading them...

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Underdog

First the Nets have to get picks, then they can start worrying about trading them...

And that's just another layer of difficulty on top of what I already said. I just don't see how it happens unless the Magic are absolutely infatuated with gutting their roster for totally unproven players and nothing else. And they have to be more interested in that than whatever alternatives (Bynum etc.).

[MavsFTR]

The lottery is at 7 PM CST on ESPN, correct?

[mavs777]

Anthony davis isn't totally unproven, he showed what he can do in high school and college and the upside he has is tremondous, obviously you would rather have a superstar, but remember guys like lowry/bynum aren't going to be cheap you would have anthony davis on a rookie contract and have him cheap for 4 years, that's valuable. Let's hope this is moot and Nets don't get a top 3 pick.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Anthony davis isn't totally unproven, he showed what he can do in high school and college and the upside he has is tremondous, obviously you would rather have a superstar, but remember guys like lowry/bynum aren't going to be cheap you would have anthony davis on a rookie contract and have him cheap for 4 years, that's valuable. Let's hope this is moot and Nets don't get a top 3 pick.

Look, you've made clear that you love Anthony Davis, and that's fine, but just like every other player ever who's never played in the NBA, he is totally unproven at the relevant level.

Plenty of fantastic college basketball players--all positions, all varieties--have been absolute busts in the NBA. Would I bet on that from Davis? Certainly not. But until he realizes his potential in the league (and I do think he has tons of potential), he is most certainly "unproven."

[sefant77]

What a huge night....it will pretty much decide the future of the Nets for several years and i think ours too.

Nets losing their pick: Goodbye deron
Nets getting #2 or #3: Maybe Deron*Dwight in Brooklyn
Nets getting #1: We failed

[jthig32]

I just played ESPN's lottery simulator 10 times and the Nets never made it into the top 3.

So....sweet.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I just played ESPN's lottery simulator 10 times and the Nets never made it into the top 3.

So....sweet.

Don't jinx it!

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Anthony davis isn't totally unproven, he showed what he can do in high school and college and the upside he has is tremondous, obviously you would rather have a superstar, but remember guys like lowry/bynum aren't going to be cheap you would have anthony davis on a rookie contract and have him cheap for 4 years, that's valuable. Let's hope this is moot and Nets don't get a top 3 pick.

Davis will be a good NBA player, he has the defense down. His physical attributes are off the chart, you can't coach his length. If you can get him next to a burly PF or C in which they can cross match, allowing Davis to freelance a bit like Chandler did for us, that is the perfect scenario to maximize Davis. Offensively he's raw, but get him a penetrating point guard with the ability to draw doubles it'll be Chandler-Paul revisited. Hoping Brooklyn doesn't land this pick, good replacement for Howard.

[jthig32]

A lot of the commentors at NetsDaily are saying no way to a Davis + Brook Lopez for Dwight trade. They'd rather have Davis and Lopez than Deron and Dwight if it means losing Lopez.

I don't really know how to respond to that, other than I hope that the Nets see it that way as well.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I just played ESPN's lottery simulator 10 times and the Nets never made it into the top 3.

So....sweet.

Just did the same...never higher than 6.

[Dirkadirkastan]

My lottery winners were Detroit, Golden State, and Phoenix.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by saclare

Just did the same...never higher than 6.

Just so everyone's aware, they can't be higher than 6 unless they hit a top 3 spot.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just so everyone's aware, they can't be higher than 6 unless they hit a top 3 spot.

Correct. Only the top 3 spots are "lotteried." After that, it's based on order of finish, so Brooklyn's only way above #6 is if they lottery into one of the top 3.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Correct. Only the top 3 spots are "lotteried." After that, it's based on order of finish, so Brooklyn's only way above #6 is if they lottery into one of the top 3.

And... they wouldn't even get #6.

[Kidd Karma]

If you see Brooklyn's placard pulled 6th or higher, we're in decent shape. Stern usually does it in reverse order.

[LonghornDub]

I also did 10 lottery rolls and the Nets failed every time. It's a lock.

[Scott McGuire]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Look, you've made clear that you love Anthony Davis, and that's fine, but just like every other player ever who's never played in the NBA, he is totally unproven at the relevant level.

Plenty of fantastic college basketball players--all positions, all varieties--have been absolute busts in the NBA. Would I bet on that from Davis? Certainly not. But until he realizes his potential in the league (and I do think he has tons of potential), he is most certainly "unproven."

So Anthony Davis is "totally unproven" because he hasn't played in the NBA yet? (your words)

I'm under the impression that Davis would be one of the top 15 most valuable players in the NBA before he plays a game. A consensus #1 super athletic possible superstar on a rookie contract for 3 years. It would take a total collapse for his value to not exceed his contract's cost. "Most likely" (not provable) he will far exceed his contract as he continues to grow into an All Star.

If I'm building for the next 4 years, I would rather pay Davis on a rookie contract than Bynum 18mill/year or possibly Dwight for 20/year.

[mavs777]

...

Deron Williams‏@DeronWilliams

I would love to know who Adrian Wojnarowski source is bc he knows more about what I'm thinking then I do�� maybe they can help me decide?

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Scott McGuire

So Anthony Davis is "totally unproven" because he hasn't played in the NBA yet? (your words)

He is totally unproven in the NBA. He hasn't played in a game, a training camp, a practice, anything.

You are talking like he'd be the first guy ever to be a "consensus" number one but not pan out. And again, I'm not saying he won't pan out. I think he'll probably be a very, very good player. The simple fact is that he's unproven until he proves himself at this level, not college, not high school. And maybe proving himself is a mere formality, but he still has to do it.

And you're absolutely right that he would be a tremendous value on his rookie contract. No doubt about that.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Scott McGuire

So Anthony Davis is "totally unproven" because he hasn't played in the NBA yet? (your words)

I'm under the impression that Davis would be one of the top 15 most valuable players in the NBA before he plays a game. A consensus #1 super athletic possible superstar on a rookie contract for 3 years. It would take a total collapse for his value to not exceed his contract's cost. "Most likely" (not provable) he will far exceed his contract as he continues to grow into an All Star.

If I'm building for the next 4 years, I would rather pay Davis on a rookie contract than Bynum 18mill/year or possibly Dwight for 20/year.

None of what you said does anything to disprove Dub's point. He's absolutely unproven, and while he's a good bet to be wildly valuable relative to his contract, his floor is still way, way, WAY, WAY lower than the players you say you would prefer him over.

[MavsFTR]

Originally Posted by mavs777

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Bottom line is we need the Nets to strike out in the lottery. Only then can we be in a position to score Deron.

[sefant77]

Have to admit, im kind of nervous.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Have to admit, im kind of nervous.

Stern Fix in?:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...en-knicks-nets

[sefant77]

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[LonghornDub]

Nets got the 6th pick, which means they lose it. Portland will pick 11th and 6th. Lol @ Brooklyn.

[EricaLubarsky]

nice!

how does that work out? Nets now only have a late second rounder.

[MavsFTR]

Yesssssss!

[Rick41]

LOL!

[LonghornDub]

Really good to see Rich Cho up there. That guy got such a bad deal in Portland.

[sefant77]

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixed lololololol

[LonghornDub]

Hornets win. That's a good story. Too bad they're in our damn division.

[EricaLubarsky]

Enjoy your 57th overall pick, New Jersey.

Gonna make the Deron talks all the more difficult.

Instead of a 6/35 they only have a 57th overall (late second)

[untitled]

With my 1000th post, I'd like to welcome Deron Williams to the Mavericks organization.

[jthig32]

Welp, step 1 is complete. We'll see what happens from here.

I don't see how the Nets get Howard now.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Welp, step 1 is complete. We'll see what happens from here.

I don't see how the Nets get Howard now.

not only does that mean they don't have a top pick this year, it also means that if they trade a future first rounder that team won't see any benefit until at least 2014 with all likelihood. Trading a card like Drummond, Davis or Kidd-Gilchrist is very appealing. Its quick and its certain. Trading a pick that won't likely be honored for two seasons in a draft that no one knows anything about is much much worse. Maybe it'll be another 1998 draft, but to a GM its less appealing to wait 2 years for a rebuild, particularly on how unknown it is.

Now Dallas has to turn 17th and 55th pick into something more appealing than New Jersey can with its 57th and Lopez.

[chumdawg]

Hot damn, I was sweating that!!